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post Oct 26 2018, 07:38 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 26 2018, 12:05 AM) *
Really, "Nabokov's Lolita (1955), his most noted novel in English, was ranked fourth in the list of the Modern Library 100 Best Novels;Pale Fire (1962) was ranked 53rd on the same list, and his memoir, Speak, Memory (1951), was listed eighth on the publisher's list of the 20th century's greatest nonfiction. He was a finalist for the National Book Award for Fiction seven times."
Doesn't sound, "not first rank" to me.

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1978: National Book Critics Circle Award for On Photography
1990: MacArthur Fellowship
1992: Malaparte Prize, Italy
1999: Commandeur des Arts et des Lettres, France
2000: National Book Award for In America
2001: Jerusalem Prize, awarded every two years to a writer whose work explores the freedom of the individual in society.
2002: George Polk Award, for Cultural Criticism for "Looking at War," in The New Yorker
2003: Honorary Doctorate of Tübingen University
2003: Peace Prize of the German Book Trade (Friedenspreis des deutschen Buchhandels) during the Frankfurt Book Fair (Frankfurter Buchmesse).
2003: Prince of Asturias Award on Literature.
2004: Two days after her death, Muhidin Hamamdzic, the mayor of Sarajevo announced the city would name a street after her, calling her an "author and a humanist who actively participated in the creation of the history of Sarajevo and Bosnia." Theatre Square outside the National Theatre was promptly proposed to be renamed Susan Sontag Theatre Square. It took 5 years, however, for that tribute to become official.On January 13, 2010, the city of Sarajevo posted a plate with a new street name for Theater Square: Theater Square of Susan Sontag.

Also rated by the Guardian as #16 in their best 100 non fiction list, Not too shabby. Highly regarded as one of the great essayists of modern times.

And as for Art Of War, its nice your colleague could confirm that overnight. However its not on the mandatory list, rather it's on the recommended list, a shortened list of recommended as below;

The Art of War by Sun Tzu
Attacks! By E. Rommel

Clausewitz, Carl von. On War. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1984.
This is a war classic that sets the standard for books on the art of war.
Hart, B.H. Liddell. Strategy. Plume; 2 revised edition, 1991.
This book is a classic work on strategy that rivals Clausewitz.
Sumida, Jon Tetsuro. Inventing Grand Strategy and Teaching Command. The John
Hopkins University Press, 1999.


Sorry, but commercial lists don't do it! In a hundred years hence, those authors won't even rate space on an Oxfam remainders shelf. As for 'my colleague', he's a relative and staying with us at present - we actually talk to each other rather than sitting is solitary isolation looking up lists on Google. Nonetheless, I can only applaud your quest for knowledge. If you are ever in the vicinity, most Universities offer free lectures and even reasonably priced introductory courses which might well help interpret what you find on Google, hope that helps.


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post Oct 26 2018, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 25 2018, 06:50 AM) *
but one recent graduate from Sandhurst of my acquaintance knows about Sun Tzu but it wasn't compulsory study, good though it may be.

WOW! From an acquaintance to a relative thats staying with you! That was quick OTE. Darn quick. Methinks me smells bull****. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Still, not done a degree in Literature but did a Lit module as part of something else and Nabokov was in that sure enough. As TM said, Good literature stands the test which is why we still have Shakespeare and Chaucer. Read an essay from Susan Sontag once and whilst incredibly well written was mainly a diatribe against the USA and its interventions into SouthEast Asia.

I would be interested in seeing some actual proof from you in regards your assertion though as it might make interesting reading. No Billy Bull**** off Wiki mind (as you seem so against it) laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Oct 26 2018, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 26 2018, 02:34 PM) *
WOW! From an acquaintance to a relative thats staying with you! That was quick OTE. Darn quick. Methinks me smells bull****. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Still, not done a degree in Literature but did a Lit module as part of something else and Nabokov was in that sure enough. As TM said, Good literature stands the test which is why we still have Shakespeare and Chaucer. Read an essay from Susan Sontag once and whilst incredibly well written was mainly a diatribe against the USA and its interventions into SouthEast Asia.

I would be interested in seeing some actual proof from you in regards your assertion though as it might make interesting reading. No Billy Bull**** off Wiki mind (as you seem so against it) laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Yes old son, I suspect you are well used to the smell. laugh.gif

No point in me trying to prove anything. I'll leave that to Dorothy Parker. tongue.gif

We can agree good literature stands the test of time - hence declining popularity.


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post Oct 26 2018, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 26 2018, 03:11 PM) *
Yes old son, I suspect you are well used to the smell. laugh.gif

No point in me trying to prove anything. I'll leave that to Dorothy Parker. tongue.gif

We can agree good literature stands the test of time - hence declining popularity.

So, to recap. No evidence or facts from you, just the good old OTE sneer when someone at least try's. And an attempted argument based on little more that opinion, lies and bull****. Way to go, no wonder this countries in trouble.


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post Oct 26 2018, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 26 2018, 07:26 PM) *
So, to recap. No evidence or facts from you, just the good old OTE sneer when someone at least try's. And an attempted argument based on little more that opinion, lies and bull****. Way to go, no wonder this countries in trouble.


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Simply being one of the lads on here; it's much more fun and the sincerest form of flattery.
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post Oct 27 2018, 01:49 AM
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Back on track.

A few facts from the man himself.

In particular, I love his assessment of the MP who hid behind parliamentary privilege.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc4zsyk-Wp4


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post Oct 27 2018, 02:19 AM
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Imam Tawhidi and TR.

A prime example of open and honest discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6tuQoXhOPQ...eature=youtu.be


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post Oct 27 2018, 04:28 AM
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Ah Tommeh! Politician, leader, fraudster and wife beater.
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post Oct 27 2018, 08:40 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 27 2018, 05:28 AM) *
Ah Tommeh! Politician, leader, fraudster and wife beater.


Ideal attributes for any budding public servant.


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post Oct 27 2018, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 27 2018, 09:40 AM) *
Ideal attributes for any budding public servant.



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post Oct 27 2018, 04:16 PM
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Interesting reading.

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/making-a...ng-f944ad598822
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post Oct 27 2018, 07:29 PM
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Interesting and rather disturbing. The case in discussion does pose some very hard questions in several other areas; social services policy, education policy, parenting, consent for starters. Valid or not, focus primarily on the religious issue has had the effect of hiding these other issues almost entirely; yet as the statistics show, the problem is far more widespread.


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post Oct 27 2018, 08:02 PM
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Must have taken a lot of googling to find that particular **** nugget. Congrats. Of course if anyone posted something which said the opposite they would be Gammon scum. Never mind. The ides of March (brexit plus a few days) are nearly upon us. 😂
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post Oct 28 2018, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 27 2018, 08:02 PM) *
Must have taken a lot of googling to find that particular **** nugget. Congrats. Of course if anyone posted something which said the opposite they would be Gammon scum. Never mind. The ides of March (brexit plus a few days) are nearly upon us. 😂

Gammon scum. laugh.gif
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post Oct 28 2018, 06:52 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 27 2018, 09:02 PM) *
Must have taken a lot of googling to find that particular **** nugget. Congrats. Of course if anyone posted something which said the opposite they would be Gammon scum. Never mind. The ides of March (brexit plus a few days) are nearly upon us. 😂


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Thoughtful, erudite response TDH, quite correct, no point in searching for anything which differs from your opinion when you are right.

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post Oct 28 2018, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 28 2018, 01:27 AM) *
Gammon scum. laugh.gif


Is this a mixed metaphor or a reflection of last weeks pork pie?


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post Oct 28 2018, 04:21 PM
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Here’s a bit more for you chaps. Proper data.

https://www.crimejusticejournal.com/article/view/756/511

The Pakistani contribution to grooming crime is about consistent with their percentage of the population. You’ve been manipulated and radicalised by lies. Quelle surprise.
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 28 2018, 04:21 PM) *
Here’s a bit more for you chaps. Proper data.

https://www.crimejusticejournal.com/article/view/756/511

The Pakistani contribution to grooming crime is about consistent with their percentage of the population. You’ve been manipulated and radicalised by lies. Quelle surprise.



That's not what the left wing Independent reports.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...e-a8101941.html

Fake news newres... that will be your new name. Walter "fake news" newres Mitty.
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Not in the least.



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Not in the least.

Well obviously. The facts don’t support your distorted view of the world. You prefer alternative ones.
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