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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 28 2018, 06:30 PM

So Tommy Robinson is now imprsioned for reporting outside the court on the rape trial of an accused 29 men.
His crime? Reporting on a trial where no reporting is allowed.
He will most likely be murdered in prison.
Thousands protesting in Downing St.
And not a word in the news as it is banned from reporting his arrest!
Whether you agree with him or not this turn of events is a worry.

Posted by: SirWilliam May 28 2018, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2018, 07:30 PM) *
So Tommy Robinson is now imprsioned for reporting outside the court on the rape trial of an accused 29 men.
His crime? Reporting on a trial where no reporting is allowed.
He will most likely be murdered in prison.
Thousands protesting in Downing St.
And not a word in the news as it is banned from reporting his arrest!
Whether you agree with him or not this turn of events is a worry.


Extremely so. Freedom of speech and expression is the bastion of our democracy. Like you said friend or foe is irrelevant, we are storing up a lot of problems down the line with this. angry.gif

Posted by: newres May 28 2018, 07:50 PM

He knew there were reporting restrictions and he breached them. He has a suspended sentence doesn’t he? Why should he be above the law?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 28 2018, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (newres @ May 28 2018, 08:50 PM) *
He knew there were reporting restrictions and he breached them. He has a suspended sentence doesn’t he? Why should he be above the law?

Why are there reporting restrictions on his arrest and imprisonment?

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson

Oh dear hush hush aint working. Imbeciles. You cant hush social media.

Posted by: je suis Charlie May 28 2018, 11:00 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2018, 09:46 PM) *
Why are there reporting restrictions on his arrest and imprisonment?

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson

Oh dear hush hush aint working. Imbeciles. You cant hush social media.

YUP, mustn't expose Muslim grooming gangs! Police seem more determined to shut him up than they were in pursuing the Muslim grooming gangs in the first place. I wonder why?

Posted by: newres May 29 2018, 05:23 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2018, 09:46 PM) *
Why are there reporting restrictions on his arrest and imprisonment?

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson

Oh dear hush hush aint working. Imbeciles. You cant hush social media.

The reporting restrictions were on the trial he was “reporting”. I’ve no idea why, but perhaps to protect the identity of some of the victims. Whether you agree with the law or not, you have to accept that if you breach it, you will be in trouble. Leaving aside the political debate that’s it!

Posted by: Strafin May 29 2018, 03:22 PM

Hes not a reporter either is he? And those two clowns from Britain First are in prison for incorrectly "reporting" on another trial, which put innocent people and their families at risk.

Posted by: newres May 29 2018, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ May 29 2018, 04:22 PM) *
Hes not a reporter either is he? And those two clowns from Britain First are in prison for incorrectly "reporting" on another trial, which put innocent people and their families at risk.

No, his agenda is to stir hatred against Muslims. Additionally he’s a convicted fraudster, has an assault conviction and also attempted to enter a friendly country with fake documents. But leaving that aside he knowingly “reported” a trial at which he knew was illegal. Quite why there’s outrage I’ve no idea.

Posted by: gel May 29 2018, 07:27 PM

Many of us are outraged at the suppression of the facts here and the establishment desire to protect Muslim grooming gangs.

Multiple cases where police/social services didn't act when victims (young white females) reported abuse inflicted upon them by these delightful citizens, primarily of one background that ends in "stani".

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 29 2018, 07:43 PM

QUOTE (gel @ May 29 2018, 08:27 PM) *
Many of us are outraged at the suppression of the facts here and the establishment desire to protect Muslim grooming gangs.

Multiple cases where police/social services didn't act when victims (young white females) reported abuse inflicted upon them by these delightful citizens, primarily of one background that ends in "stani".

And it took a press challenge to even allow them to report on him being locked up. If he broke reporting rules then by the law of the land, even though I don't agree with these said rules (that only apply seem to apply to none white paedophilles), he knew he risked jail. To bar reporing on his arrest and imprisonment was wrong in my view. I think that stirred up more trouble than anything else. Oh and if harm does happen to him in jail then all **** will break loose.

Posted by: Andy Capp May 29 2018, 09:19 PM

It seems the judge was concerned about a potential for a re-trial.

Posted by: On the edge May 30 2018, 05:29 PM

Not quite sure where this myth that we have total freedom of speech in the UK. If we did, what is the point and why do we maintain a 'Speakers Corner' in Hyde Park? Of course, at the moment we are covered by the EU Human Rights Convention; which looks good until you read the sub clauses. So, I'm not quite sure what Tommy Robinson is actually complaining about. Now, a real protest would be to start a crowd fund appeal and collect the cash to fund a top rate Barrister to put his complaint to the Courts surely?

Posted by: newres May 31 2018, 10:13 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 29 2018, 10:19 PM) *
It seems the judge was concerned about a potential for a re-trial.

Probably as a result of all the hate Robinson and his ilk have whipped up. Regardless, he knew there were restrictions. He was on a suspended sentence. He’s a serial criminal and he’s where he belongs for a while.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 31 2018, 10:21 AM

QUOTE (newres @ May 31 2018, 11:13 AM) *
Probably as a result of all the hate Robinson and his ilk have whipped up. Regardless, he knew there were restrictions. He was on a suspended sentence. He’s a serial criminal and he’s where he belongs for a while.

I hope they make sure he is protected inside. He is a target and any assault will stir the pot further. You may call him a serial criminal. Others may call him a freedom fighter. 😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie May 31 2018, 04:40 PM

He's doing what he believes is right, many of us don't think it's right that justice in this country should be done in secret, behind closed doors, in the shadows. When these animals perform acts of such overwhelming depravity they should be rooted out of their cosy little liberal lefty funded cess pit bolt holes and stood up against a wall, in the full and stark glare of the public and the media and then justice be done, and seen to be done.

Posted by: Andy Capp May 31 2018, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 31 2018, 05:40 PM) *
He's doing what he believes is right, many of us don't think it's right that justice in this country should be done in secret, behind closed doors, in the shadows. When these animals perform acts of such overwhelming depravity they should be rooted out of their cosy little liberal lefty funded cess pit bolt holes and stood up against a wall, in the full and stark glare of the public and the media and then justice be done, and seen to be done.

Just like the glory days of the middle ages!

Posted by: On the edge Jun 1 2018, 06:19 AM

He just needs a decent brief! All the noise we've heard recently is fine, but it doesn't look as if anyone is willing to put their hand in their pocket to help him get some professional help with his campaign. So again, as the economists tell us, money sends a message.

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 1 2018, 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 31 2018, 10:32 PM) *
Just like the glory days of the middle ages!



Sharia Law Now!!

Posted by: On the edge Jun 1 2018, 06:25 PM

The campaign would have been far more effective and far more productive if he'd simply applied to the courts to have the reporting ban lifted. That would have given him a legitimate platform and kept him out of gaol.

Trouble is, the cost. Nonetheless. if what he is doing is genuinely widely supported, the mainstream media might well have helped. Similarly, an on line appeal would have been successful.

So it looks rather like the campaign has very little real support.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 1 2018, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (newres @ May 31 2018, 11:13 AM) *
Probably as a result of all the hate Robinson and his ilk have whipped up. Regardless, he knew there were restrictions. He was on a suspended sentence. He’s a serial criminal and he’s where he belongs for a while.


If ever I saw a misrepresentation of the truth, this is it. Newres, you should be ashamed of yourself.

#IAMILK

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 2 2018, 08:01 AM

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“It can now be reported that Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, convicted fraudster, sometime-football hooligan and self-reinvented free speech advocate, was on Friday 25 May 2018 imprisoned for 13 months for contempt of court after livestreaming a broadcast, including footage of participants in a criminal trial, outside Leeds Crown Court...”

Posted by: On the edge Jun 2 2018, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 2 2018, 09:01 AM) *
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“It can now be reported that Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, convicted fraudster, sometime-football hooligan and self-reinvented free speech advocate, was on Friday 25 May 2018 imprisoned for 13 months for contempt of court after livestreaming a broadcast, including footage of participants in a criminal trial, outside Leeds Crown Court...”


.....and presumably, like any self respecting 'freedom fighter' he'll go on hunger strike.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 2 2018, 02:09 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 2 2018, 02:37 PM) *
.....and presumably, like any self respecting 'freedom fighter' he'll go on hunger strike.

You hope. Chances are he'll be murdered inside so all the libs will be happy then. Job done.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 2 2018, 04:29 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 2 2018, 03:09 PM) *
You hope. Chances are he'll be murdered inside so all the libs will be happy then. Job done.


Making assumptions again and getting it wrong as usual. He is seriously damaging any chance of a sensible debate, let alone a sensible solution to the issues he seeks to address. I'll say it again, whilst his enthusiasm isn't in question; his lack of finance and indeed organisation, says he has no credible support.

Let's also be brutally honest, once he's inside, believe me, he'll find friends. His profile suggests he'll meet rather more than many imagine.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 2 2018, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 1 2018, 07:19 AM) *
He just needs a decent brief! All the noise we've heard recently is fine, but it doesn't look as if anyone is willing to put their hand in their pocket to help him get some professional help with his campaign. So again, as the economists tell us, money sends a message.


Where have you been? There are many who ARE helping by donating. Myself included.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 2 2018, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 2 2018, 09:01 AM) *
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“It can now be reported that Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, convicted fraudster, sometime-football hooligan and self-reinvented free speech advocate, was on Friday 25 May 2018 imprisoned for 13 months for contempt of court after livestreaming a broadcast, including footage of participants in a criminal trial, outside Leeds Crown Court...”


If the secret barrister is indeed a barrister, then the text of that blog says it all.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 2 2018, 10:00 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 2 2018, 05:29 PM) *
Making assumptions again and getting it wrong as usual. He is seriously damaging any chance of a sensible debate, let alone a sensible solution to the issues he seeks to address. I'll say it again, whilst his enthusiasm isn't in question; his lack of finance and indeed organisation, says he has no credible support.

Let's also be brutally honest, once he's inside, believe me, he'll find friends. His profile suggests he'll meet rather more than many imagine.


Unless the likes of TR exist, there will be no debate. Just look at the crap thrown at Lord Pearson for attempting to debate the very issues a lot of Brits are concerned about.

There is plenty of support and finance. Have you completely ignored the MEP's debate (Janice Atkinson), Germany, Australia, NZ, Tel Aviv, USA, London, Manchester, Online etc. This has gone global. Monitor this 577,000 + and the trend has not slowed. https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson

Posted by: x2lls Jun 2 2018, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2018, 06:23 AM) *
The reporting restrictions were on the trial he was “reporting”. I’ve no idea why, but perhaps to protect the identity of some of the victims. Whether you agree with the law or not, you have to accept that if you breach it, you will be in trouble. Leaving aside the political debate that’s it!



If you took the time to watch the whole event, you will see and hear he asked the police where he could stand. You choose to ignore that fact, conveniently. This is a POLITICAL issue. He has been a thorn for years, so now they attempt to bring in capital punishment through the back door. Lord Pearson was correct in threatening the Home Secretary with legal action if anything happens to him. Why is it that a man who is telling the TRUTH about muslim gangs is jailed in less than 5 hours? I can only assume that your opposition to Tommy Robinson means you agree with sharia, fg
m, the hideous treatment of women and animals and those that do not believe in a **** who rode on a unicorn and shagged an 8 year old.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 3 2018, 12:20 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 2 2018, 05:29 PM) *
Making assumptions again and getting it wrong as usual. He is seriously damaging any chance of a sensible debate, let alone a sensible solution to the issues he seeks to address. I'll say it again, whilst his enthusiasm isn't in question; his lack of finance and indeed organisation, says he has no credible support.

Let's also be brutally honest, once he's inside, believe me, he'll find friends. His profile suggests he'll meet rather more than many imagine.



Let's be brutally honest? Believe me? Is that like making a statement ending with "Fact"?

You know sod all about his life in the government detainment centre for those that don't tow the line or expose the narrative for what it is. Nothing.

Posted by: newres Jun 3 2018, 04:59 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 2 2018, 11:15 PM) *
If you took the time to watch the whole event, you will see and hear he asked the police where he could stand. You choose to ignore that fact, conveniently. This is a POLITICAL issue. He has been a thorn for years, so now they attempt to bring in capital punishment through the back door. Lord Pearson was correct in threatening the Home Secretary with legal action if anything happens to him. Why is it that a man who is telling the TRUTH about muslim gangs is jailed in less than 5 hours? I can only assume that your opposition to Tommy Robinson means you agree with sharia, fg
m, the hideous treatment of women and animals and those that do not believe in a **** who rode on a unicorn and shagged an 8 year old.

Well I can only assume that by supporting him that you do not believe in our western values of justice and fair trials as it appears that’s the reason for the restrictions. If so, perhaps you belong in an extreme Muslim country? Or you think there’s a conspiracy? I’ll get you a tin foil hat. Like all extremists you can’t see the truth through the rhetoric.

Oh and why would you contribute money to a criminal which is what he is? Reputable politicians, reporters etc. don’t have a criminal past. Interestingly extremists of all persuasions often do but it doesn’t stop the under educated following.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 3 2018, 06:07 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 05:59 AM) *
Well I can only assume that by supporting him that you do not believe in our western values of justice and fair trials as it appears that’s the reason for the restrictions. If so, perhaps you belong in an extreme Muslim country? Or you think there’s a conspiracy? I’ll get you a tin foil hat. Like all extremists you can’t see the truth through the rhetoric.

Oh and why would you contribute money to a criminal which is what he is? Reputable politicians, reporters etc. don’t have a criminal past. Interestingly extremists of all persuasions often do but it doesn’t stop the under educated following.


Quite. Essentially, Tommy Robinson has become the right wing Arthur Scargill, so a real issue and any genuine debate about it just gets lost because their antics swamp any other voice. Sadly, his earlier brushes with the law for violence were nothing to do with his political beliefs; so to me, he's simply someone who enjoys a ruck, no matter the reason. Given that his political campaigning is now having quite a negative effect, his supporters might question how any money or support is deployed.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 3 2018, 06:40 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 2 2018, 11:15 PM) *
If you took the time to watch the whole event, you will see and hear he asked the police where he could stand. You choose to ignore that fact, conveniently. This is a POLITICAL issue. He has been a thorn for years, so now they attempt to bring in capital punishment through the back door. Lord Pearson was correct in threatening the Home Secretary with legal action if anything happens to him. Why is it that a man who is telling the TRUTH about muslim gangs is jailed in less than 5 hours? I can only assume that your opposition to Tommy Robinson means you agree with sharia, fg
m, the hideous treatment of women and animals and those that do not believe in a **** who rode on a unicorn and shagged an 8 year old.


If it's a political issue and I wouldn't disagree that the question he raises is certainly worth serious debate, then to gain any traction at all some input to our political arrangement is necessary. UKIP being an example of a group pursuing a single issue for a long period totally against established thinking; against the odds, they succeeded. They had their own share of extremists who were dealt with by a proper leadership. The only thing they failed to manage was the post success sustainability. So again, Tommy Robinsons approach which seems to hinge simply on public disorder is going to get nowhere fast.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 3 2018, 08:25 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 3 2018, 07:40 AM) *
If it's a political issue and I wouldn't disagree that the question he raises is certainly worth serious debate, then to gain any traction at all some input to our political arrangement is necessary. UKIP being an example of a group pursuing a single issue for a long period totally against established thinking; against the odds, they succeeded. They had their own share of extremists who were dealt with by a proper leadership. The only thing they failed to manage was the post success sustainability. So again, Tommy Robinsons approach which seems to hinge simply on public disorder is going to get nowhere fast.


A lot of people agree with what he is saying even if he may be the wrong person to say it. The trouble is ANYONE, even Jesus Christ himself would be the wrong person to "say it" and would be persecuted.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 3 2018, 01:17 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 3 2018, 09:25 AM) *
A lot of people agree with what he is saying even if he may be the wrong person to say it. The trouble is ANYONE, even Jesus Christ himself would be the wrong person to "say it" and would be persecuted.


Persecuted rather than prosecuted yes, a world of difference. Norman Tebbitt was never afraid to speak out and is still more than willing to say things that go against establishment thinking, as did Enoch Powell. Both had followings, both were and indeed, still are reported but still no substantial movement. Nigel Farage was persecuted and generally rubbished by an establishment who didn't like him at all, nonetheless, he succeeded. So, then, perhaps for Tommy Robinson, the issue is the message as well as the messenger.

Posted by: newres Jun 3 2018, 01:25 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 3 2018, 02:17 PM) *
Persecuted rather than prosecuted yes, a world of difference. Norman Tebbitt was never afraid to speak out and is still more than willing to say things that go against establishment thinking, as did Enoch Powell. Both had followings, both were and indeed, still are reported but still no substantial movement. Nigel Farage was persecuted and generally rubbished by an establishment who didn't like him at all, nonetheless, he succeeded. So, then, perhaps for Tommy Robinson, the issue is the message as well as the messenger.

What’s the message though? It’s not about protection of the vulnerable, it’s merely making a fuss whenever there’s a grooming gang in court with brown faces. It’s infantile. Wasn’t an EDL founder recently convicted of paedophila?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 3 2018, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 02:25 PM) *
What’s the message though? It’s not about protection of the vulnerable, it’s merely making a fuss whenever there’s a grooming gang in court with brown faces. It’s infantile. Wasn’t an EDL founder recently convicted of paedophila?

This lot?

https://timetostartcaring.com/the-labour-partys-convicted-paedophile-list/

And you are a Labour supporter.

Posted by: newres Jun 3 2018, 03:54 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 3 2018, 03:30 PM) *
This lot?

https://timetostartcaring.com/the-labour-partys-convicted-paedophile-list/

And you are a Labour supporter.

No I'm not. tongue.gif

But anyway, who's going to go round searching for and screaming about the few responsible for this and imply that in some way the Labour party is responsible? Anyone that did would be condemned as a nutter I'd think. Only other nutters would support him. It's mental.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 3 2018, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 04:54 PM) *
No I'm not. tongue.gif

But anyway, who's going to go round searching for and screaming about the few responsible for this and imply that in some way the Labour party is responsible? Anyone that did would be condemned as a nutter I'd think. Only other nutters would support him. It's mental.


You quoted that an EDL member was convicted. You are calling yourself a nutter.😂

Posted by: newres Jun 3 2018, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 3 2018, 05:51 PM) *
You quoted that an EDL member was convicted. You are calling yourself a nutter.😂

I was making the point that in all religions, races, parties, professions there exist deviants. What we should not do is draw conclusions about everyone in that group based upon the actions of a few. To do so lacks intelligence.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 3 2018, 09:45 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 09:34 PM) *
I was making the point that in all religions, races, parties, professions there exist deviants. What we should not do is draw conclusions about everyone in that group based upon the actions of a few. To do so lacks intelligence.

Quite agree. Practice what you preach then. Just a thought.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 3 2018, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 09:34 PM) *
I was making the point that in all religions, races, parties, professions there exist deviants. What we should not do is draw conclusions about everyone in that group based upon the actions of a few. To do so lacks intelligence.



Who is?

Posted by: x2lls Jun 3 2018, 09:55 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 3 2018, 03:30 PM) *
This lot?

https://timetostartcaring.com/the-labour-partys-convicted-paedophile-list/

And you are a Labour supporter.



I think you missed one or two.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 3 2018, 10:00 PM

To keep coming up with excuses to protect an ideology that is in all ways bad for humanity is, to me unacceptable. Why are the leftie libtards still voicing for child rapists. YES, you are complicit. I would not want your child to go through what they do but if it did, your political views would sway within minutes. You shoud be so ashamed of yourselves. Wake up and sod off.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 3 2018, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 05:59 AM) *
Well I can only assume that by supporting him that you do not believe in our western values of justice and fair trials as it appears that’s the reason for the restrictions. If so, perhaps you belong in an extreme Muslim country? Or you think there’s a conspiracy? I’ll get you a tin foil hat. Like all extremists you can’t see the truth through the rhetoric.

Oh and why would you contribute money to a criminal which is what he is? Reputable politicians, reporters etc. don’t have a criminal past. Interestingly extremists of all persuasions often do but it doesn’t stop the under educated following.


Worthless , just worthless.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 4 2018, 06:03 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 3 2018, 11:00 PM) *
To keep coming up with excuses to protect an ideology that is in all ways bad for humanity is, to me unacceptable. Why are the leftie libtards still voicing for child rapists. YES, you are complicit. I would not want your child to go through what they do but if it did, your political views would sway within minutes. You shoud be so ashamed of yourselves. Wake up and sod off.


As Thomas Jefferson said; question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 4 2018, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 3 2018, 11:00 PM) *
To keep coming up with excuses to protect an ideology that is in all ways bad for humanity is, to me unacceptable. Why are the leftie libtards still voicing for child rapists. YES, you are complicit. I would not want your child to go through what they do but if it did, your political views would sway within minutes. You shoud be so ashamed of yourselves. Wake up and sod off.


You must be "uneducated" to hold such views.😂 In newres world that is. I bet you are white and right wing. All things bad.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 4 2018, 11:02 PM

here's another 'soldja' for newres and his ilk to defend.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/31/uk/husnain-rashid-isis-prince-george-guilty-intl/index.html

Posted by: x2lls Jun 5 2018, 01:00 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 5 2018, 12:02 AM) *
here's another 'soldja' for newres and his ilk to defend.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/31/uk/husnain-rashid-isis-prince-george-guilty-intl/index.html


Yet more scum I have to share my air supply with.

And for the "Educated", a very well presented view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0sVEKqAkhY&app=desktop


Posted by: newres Jun 5 2018, 04:20 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 4 2018, 08:38 PM) *
You must be "uneducated" to hold such views.😂 In newres world that is. I bet you are white and right wing. All things bad.

Oh be serious. Look at his rant above. The guy’s an unhinged extremist. He calls a religion that’s 1,300 years old “bad for humanity”.


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 5 2018, 05:11 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 5 2018, 05:20 AM) *
Oh be serious. Look at his rant above. The guy’s an unhinged extremist. He calls a religion that’s 1,300 years old “bad for humanity”.

Sorry but I agree with that statement. I'd change it thiugh to ALL religions are bad for humanity. Anyone who believes in Sky fairies is in my mind lumped in with "flat earthers". Basically you beleive in something that is not logical.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 5 2018, 06:35 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 5 2018, 06:11 AM) *
Sorry but I agree with that statement. I'd change it thiugh to ALL religions are bad for humanity. Anyone who believes in Sky fairies is in my mind lumped in with "flat earthers". Basically you beleive in something that is not logical.

I initially went to agree, but then thought science has brought about the industrial revolution which has brought about a population explosion and pollution, so I am now unsure.

Belief is not an issue for me until it brings about wanton suffering.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 5 2018, 06:53 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 5 2018, 06:11 AM) *
Sorry but I agree with that statement. I'd change it thiugh to ALL religions are bad for humanity. Anyone who believes in Sky fairies is in my mind lumped in with "flat earthers". Basically you beleive in something that is not logical.


Odd that some most if the worst excesses of last centuary were inflicted by regimes holding exactly that view. Perhaps the reports coming out of Nortn Korea are wrong. As to the matter in question here; I don't think anyone would disagree the sick abuse Robinson is apparently complaining about should have been stamped out far earlier and that the perpetrators were Muslim. Nonetheless, exactly the same could have been applied to other and exactly similar outrages. Perhaps we missed the reports of Tommy Robinson's fight to get Liberal Democracy banned or the BBC shut down?

Posted by: x2lls Jun 5 2018, 02:25 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 5 2018, 05:20 AM) *
Oh be serious. Look at his rant above. The guy’s an unhinged extremist. He calls a religion that’s 1,300 years old “bad for humanity”.


Unhinged extremist?


Posted by: x2lls Jun 5 2018, 02:26 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 5 2018, 05:20 AM) *
Oh be serious. Look at his rant above. The guy’s an unhinged extremist. He calls a religion that’s 1,300 years old “bad for humanity”.



Age has not helped. 1300 years of strife.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 5 2018, 06:54 PM

Newres is busy trying to come back with an intelligent reply. Warning! may take some time!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 5 2018, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 5 2018, 07:54 PM) *
Newres is busy trying to come back with an intelligent reply. Warning! may take some time!


You sound like an "unhinged extremist" JSC!😂

Posted by: x2lls Jun 5 2018, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 5 2018, 07:35 AM) *
I initially went to agree, but then thought science has brought about the industrial revolution which has brought about a population explosion and pollution, so I am now unsure.

Belief is not an issue for me until it brings about wanton suffering.



Without the wanton suffering that is going on and has been for 1300 years, there would be no Tommy Robinson.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 6 2018, 06:54 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 5 2018, 08:52 PM) *
Without the wanton suffering that is going on and has been for 1300 years, there would be no Tommy Robinson.


But his past record suggests otherwise; he likes a ruck, any ruck. It's this that's counter productive to any values based organisation lent his support.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 6 2018, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 6 2018, 07:54 AM) *
But his past record suggests otherwise; he likes a ruck, any ruck. It's this that's counter productive to any values based organisation lent his support.



Well perhaps a few more need to start listening to the concerns of a huge proportion of the population then.

It could also be said, it is someone who "Likes a ruck" as you say, that has the balls to stand up and say it how it is.
Having a "past" does not make what you say now any less true.

Posted by: Strafin Jun 6 2018, 02:28 PM

I havent read a lot of posts on here but at the point Tommy Robinson was arrested, the defendants hadn't been charged. Therefore they are not rapists, groomers or anything else, they are citizens just like the rest of us. That is the very crux of the issue really, because that seperates Robinson from other journalists and sums up why he isn't just doing the same as the others.

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 6 2018, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 6 2018, 03:28 PM) *
I havent read a lot of posts on here but at the point Tommy Robinson was arrested, the defendants hadn't been charged. Therefore they are not rapists, groomers or anything else, they are citizens just like the rest of us. That is the very crux of the issue really, because that seperates Robinson from other journalists and sums up why he isn't just doing the same as the others.



exactly.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 7 2018, 09:41 AM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 6 2018, 03:28 PM) *
I havent read a lot of posts on here but at the point Tommy Robinson was arrested, the defendants hadn't been charged. Therefore they are not rapists, groomers or anything else, they are citizens just like the rest of us. That is the very crux of the issue really, because that seperates Robinson from other journalists and sums up why he isn't just doing the same as the others.



I believe they had already been found guilty and were about to be sentenced. Hence them bring bags with them to court.

Posted by: Strafin Jun 7 2018, 12:43 PM

Ah maybe..

I found this but it just describes it as a live trial.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 7 2018, 01:14 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 7 2018, 10:41 AM) *
I believe they had already been found guilty and were about to be sentenced. Hence them bring bags with them to court.

“Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Lennon, had claimed that verdicts were due on Friday but court officials confirmed that the trial of nine defendants is ongoing.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-leeds-court-child-grooming-trial-edl-founder-latest-a8368821.html

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 7 2018, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 6 2018, 03:28 PM) *
I havent read a lot of posts on here but at the point Tommy Robinson was arrested, the defendants hadn't been charged. Therefore they are not rapists, groomers or anything else, they are citizens just like the rest of us. That is the very crux of the issue really, because that seperates Robinson from other journalists and sums up why he isn't just doing the same as the others.

Oh dear, Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Out side a crown court? where the defendants were appearing? Even with your limited grasp on reality it should be obvious that you can't be a defendant in a Crown court without first being charged?

Plays Phail music!

Posted by: Strafin Jun 7 2018, 03:39 PM

Sorry - I meant that they hadn't been found guilty.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 7 2018, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 7 2018, 04:39 PM) *
Sorry - I meant that they hadn't been found guilty.

Accepted. No they haven't. Not yet. Odds anyone??

Posted by: newres Jun 7 2018, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 7 2018, 05:06 PM) *
Accepted. No they haven't. Not yet. Odds anyone??

Case rested. A clear demonstration of the prejudice the judge was wary of. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 7 2018, 04:44 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 7 2018, 05:33 PM) *
Case rested. A clear demonstration of the prejudice the judge was wary of. rolleyes.gif

You give the impression you would like them found not guilty, even if they were, so you could say "told you so". My concern is with the victims. These scumbags wanted a trial so they could put there victims through the ringer once more. Hey but you be on the side of these lovely fellas.😘

Posted by: newres Jun 7 2018, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 7 2018, 05:44 PM) *
You give the impression you would like them found not guilty, even if they were, so you could say "told you so". My concern is with the victims. These scumbags wanted a trial so they could put there victims through the ringer once more. Hey but you be on the side of these lovely fellas.😘

rolleyes.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 7 2018, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 7 2018, 05:33 PM) *
Case rested. A clear demonstration of the prejudice the judge was wary of. rolleyes.gif

Except of course there was no prejudice in TM's post either implied or explicit. Prejudice is a door that swings both way, if you want to see worst case, look in the mirror. Why do you want them to get away with it sooo badly? what on Earth can you have in common with these people?

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 7 2018, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 7 2018, 07:19 PM) *
Except of course there was no prejudice in TM's post either implied or explicit. Prejudice is a door that swings both way, if you want to see worst case, look in the mirror. Why do you want them to get away with it sooo badly? what on Earth can you have in common with these people?

Where does he say or imply he wants them to ‘get away with it’?

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 7 2018, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 7 2018, 07:19 PM) *
Except of course there was no prejudice in TM's post either implied or explicit. Prejudice is a door that swings both way, if you want to see worst case, look in the mirror. Why do you want them to get away with it sooo badly? what on Earth can you have in common with these people?

TM’s post was blatantly predjudice.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 7 2018, 10:51 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 7 2018, 10:41 PM) *
TM’s post was blatantly predjudice.



"Accepted. No they haven't. Not yet. Odds anyone??" is a statement of fact. Nothing more, but you may for the sake of your ego wish to read more into it.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 8 2018, 06:11 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 7 2018, 11:51 PM) *
"Accepted. No they haven't. Not yet. Odds anyone??" is a statement of fact. Nothing more, but you may for the sake of your ego wish to read more into it.

I’m unsure what my ego has to do with it, but are you seriously expecting us to believe your mind is not already made up? wink.gif your colloquialism is a frequent used method of implication to a point it is obvious; to claim otherwise would just be obtuse.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 8 2018, 11:32 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 8 2018, 07:11 AM) *
I’m unsure what my ego has to do with it, but are you seriously expecting us to believe your mind is not already made up? wink.gif your colloquialism is a frequent used method of implication to a point it is obvious; to claim otherwise would just be obtuse.



I wonder what odds Mr Hill would give?

Posted by: newres Jun 8 2018, 02:33 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 8 2018, 12:32 PM) *
I wonder what odds Mr Hill would give?

What odds would they have been given on this one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-42863076

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2018, 04:24 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 8 2018, 03:33 PM) *
What odds would they have been given on this one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-42863076


Oh joy. You must be beside yourself with happiness.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 8 2018, 04:32 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 8 2018, 03:33 PM) *
What odds would they have been given on this one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-42863076



There is no mention of the actual reason for the acquittals.

Posted by: newres Jun 8 2018, 04:38 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2018, 05:24 PM) *
Oh joy. You must be beside yourself with happiness.

Couldn't care less. I just like correcting idiots.

Posted by: newres Jun 8 2018, 04:39 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 8 2018, 05:32 PM) *
There is no mention of the actual reason for the acquittals.

"A police spokesman said the decision was taken after the CPS determined there was "insufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction"."

Not good enough for you?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2018, 05:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 8 2018, 05:39 PM) *
"A police spokesman said the decision was taken after the CPS determined there was "insufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction"."

Not good enough for you?


Just because you cant get a conviction doesn't mean someone isn't guilty. Guilty in the eyes of the law... no. But witness intimidation can go anlong way to proving your "innocence". But hey you invite these lovely fellas round to play with your kids. 😘

Posted by: On the edge Jun 8 2018, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2018, 06:34 PM) *
Just because you cant get a conviction doesn't mean someone isn't guilty. Guilty in the eyes of the law... no. But witness intimidation can go anlong way to proving your "innocence". But hey you invite these lovely fellas round to play with your kids. 😘


So who decides someone is guilty? Bit worrying old son, I thought you were wholly against 'independent' legal systems, preferring British justice. Remember, radicalisation works both ways; good old Tommy is beginning to look a bit like another rabble rouser we eventually got rid of; all he needs to complete the picture is an eye patch and a hook.

Posted by: newres Jun 8 2018, 06:13 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2018, 06:34 PM) *
Just because you cant get a conviction doesn't mean someone isn't guilty. Guilty in the eyes of the law... no. But witness intimidation can go anlong way to proving your "innocence". But hey you invite these lovely fellas round to play with your kids. 😘

Worrying that you don’t respect our system of justice. Sharia might suit you better perhaps?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2018, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 8 2018, 07:13 PM) *
Worrying that you don’t respect our system of justice. Sharia might suit you better perhaps?

Dont worry old boy. Give it time and you will get it. I find your so called "intelligence" quite frightening. End of days stuff.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 8 2018, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2018, 06:34 PM) *
Just because you cant get a conviction doesn't mean someone isn't guilty. Guilty in the eyes of the law... no. But witness intimidation can go anlong way to proving your "innocence". But hey you invite these lovely fellas round to play with your kids. 😘

Members of our aristocracy have been at it for hundreds of years.

Posted by: newres Jun 8 2018, 07:07 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2018, 07:37 PM) *
Dont worry old boy. Give it time and you will get it. I find your so called "intelligence" quite frightening. End of days stuff.

I find your lack of intelligence amusing.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2018, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 8 2018, 08:07 PM) *
I find your lack of intelligence amusing.

Insults. 👏.
Congratulations. Did you used to live in a village? Only I think they lost you.

Posted by: newres Jun 8 2018, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2018, 09:13 PM) *
Insults. 👏.
Congratulations. Did you used to live in a village? Only I think they lost you.

Apologies.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2018, 11:31 PM

One failed case might look like good news for the liberals but when set in its fuller context:

Oxford 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
Old Bailey court. Offences 2004-12. Convicted 2013. More than 300 victims from 12 yo/7 Muslim men convicted, aged 27-38. Gang leaders Eritean, others Pakistani. Bradford, Leeds, London, Slough, Bournemouth. Judge: “a series of sexual crimes of the utmost depravity”. Operation Bullfinch. Zeeshan Ahmed jailed for 18 months for perverting the course of justice by threatening to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. In July 2017 Oxford multi-millionaire Tariq Khuja lost his court battle to keep his name out of the media reports about this trial. He was never charged

• Oxford 2014
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/11263177.Man_jailed_after_admitting_sex_assault_on_teenage_girl/
Oxford court. Victim 17 yo/Three abusers 26-28 yo Palestinian asylum seekers. Jailed 18, 18 and 42 months for sexual assault. One abuser had threatened to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. Palestinian. To be deported on release.

• Oxford 2016 (1)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14605684.Two_men_jailed_for__horrendous_abuse__of_a_female_victim_in_Oxford/
Oxford court. Victim 14 yo (social skills of a 7 yo)/2 abusers now 34 & 37 yo convicted on rape and prostitution charges. Offences in 2005-07. Cocaine and alcohol. Simultaneous rape. Judge: “She was just an object to satisfy your lust. Over a number of months you deliberately groomed this girl.” Iffley. Thames Valley Police

• Oxford 2016 (2)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-36526128 http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14755110.REVEALED__Fourth_man_guilty_of_child_sex_offences_in_Sabaton_trial/
Oxford court. Victims 13 and 15 yo/Abusers 30-46 yo. Abuse from 1999-2007 and 2007-09. Convictions for: rape, indecent assault, making a threat to kill, supply of heroin and cocaine. Also, on 3 Nov 2016, for taking indecent pictures of a child. Defendants denied all charges. Some acquittals after one victim insisted her participation was consensual. Operation Sabaton.

• Oxford 2016 (3)
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14803181.Former_hospital_worker_jailed_following_sexual_relationship_with_schoolgirl/
Old Bailey. Victim 14/Abuser now 28. Offences 2008-2011. Accused of multiple rapes and sexual activity with a child over two years. Convicted only of sexual activity with a child. Jailed for 8 months

• Oxford 2017 (1) – trial set for 18 April 2017
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14915396.Operation_Rolo_men_appear_in_court_over_sex_offences/
Oxford Court. Seven accused. Operation Rolo. Trial date 18 April 2017

• Oxford 2017 (2) – trials set for September 2017 (6 men) and January 2018 (11 men)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/15191943.UPDATE__Six_arrests_for_child_sex_offences_as_eight_men_appear_in_court_after_raid/
Oxford Court. 3 victims/17 accused. Offences 2008-2015. Banbury, Operation Nautical

• Oxford 2017 (3)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/15339807.Fourteen_men_appear_at_Oxford_Crown_Court_to_deny_a_string_of_child_sex_abuse_charges/
Oxford Court. Victims include 14-16 year-olds/ 14 men charged, 35-55 yo. 36 charges for offences 1998-2005. Men from Oxford, Birmingham, Bolton, Cowley. Prosecutor: “This case concerns sexual exploitation on a massive scale. Routine, cynical and predatory sexual exploitation.” Trial expected to finish early 2018

There are now 170 known completed trials with convictions for rape jihad offences at 68 main locations.
And perhaps this snippet goes part way of why such cases fail, and I quote: "One abuser had threatened to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. Palestinian. To be deported on release."

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2018, 01:35 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2018, 12:31 AM) *
One failed case might look like good news for the liberals but when set in its fuller context:

Oxford 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
Old Bailey court. Offences 2004-12. Convicted 2013. More than 300 victims from 12 yo/7 Muslim men convicted, aged 27-38. Gang leaders Eritean, others Pakistani. Bradford, Leeds, London, Slough, Bournemouth. Judge: “a series of sexual crimes of the utmost depravity”. Operation Bullfinch. Zeeshan Ahmed jailed for 18 months for perverting the course of justice by threatening to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. In July 2017 Oxford multi-millionaire Tariq Khuja lost his court battle to keep his name out of the media reports about this trial. He was never charged

• Oxford 2014
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/11263177.Man_jailed_after_admitting_sex_assault_on_teenage_girl/
Oxford court. Victim 17 yo/Three abusers 26-28 yo Palestinian asylum seekers. Jailed 18, 18 and 42 months for sexual assault. One abuser had threatened to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. Palestinian. To be deported on release.

• Oxford 2016 (1)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14605684.Two_men_jailed_for__horrendous_abuse__of_a_female_victim_in_Oxford/
Oxford court. Victim 14 yo (social skills of a 7 yo)/2 abusers now 34 & 37 yo convicted on rape and prostitution charges. Offences in 2005-07. Cocaine and alcohol. Simultaneous rape. Judge: “She was just an object to satisfy your lust. Over a number of months you deliberately groomed this girl.” Iffley. Thames Valley Police

• Oxford 2016 (2)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-36526128 http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14755110.REVEALED__Fourth_man_guilty_of_child_sex_offences_in_Sabaton_trial/
Oxford court. Victims 13 and 15 yo/Abusers 30-46 yo. Abuse from 1999-2007 and 2007-09. Convictions for: rape, indecent assault, making a threat to kill, supply of heroin and cocaine. Also, on 3 Nov 2016, for taking indecent pictures of a child. Defendants denied all charges. Some acquittals after one victim insisted her participation was consensual. Operation Sabaton.

• Oxford 2016 (3)
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14803181.Former_hospital_worker_jailed_following_sexual_relationship_with_schoolgirl/
Old Bailey. Victim 14/Abuser now 28. Offences 2008-2011. Accused of multiple rapes and sexual activity with a child over two years. Convicted only of sexual activity with a child. Jailed for 8 months

• Oxford 2017 (1) – trial set for 18 April 2017
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14915396.Operation_Rolo_men_appear_in_court_over_sex_offences/
Oxford Court. Seven accused. Operation Rolo. Trial date 18 April 2017

• Oxford 2017 (2) – trials set for September 2017 (6 men) and January 2018 (11 men)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/15191943.UPDATE__Six_arrests_for_child_sex_offences_as_eight_men_appear_in_court_after_raid/
Oxford Court. 3 victims/17 accused. Offences 2008-2015. Banbury, Operation Nautical

• Oxford 2017 (3)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/15339807.Fourteen_men_appear_at_Oxford_Crown_Court_to_deny_a_string_of_child_sex_abuse_charges/
Oxford Court. Victims include 14-16 year-olds/ 14 men charged, 35-55 yo. 36 charges for offences 1998-2005. Men from Oxford, Birmingham, Bolton, Cowley. Prosecutor: “This case concerns sexual exploitation on a massive scale. Routine, cynical and predatory sexual exploitation.” Trial expected to finish early 2018

There are now 170 known completed trials with convictions for rape jihad offences at 68 main locations.
And perhaps this snippet goes part way of why such cases fail, and I quote: "One abuser had threatened to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. Palestinian. To be deported on release."


Nothing to see here. How dare you publicise it?

Posted by: newres Jun 9 2018, 02:11 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2018, 02:35 PM) *
Nothing to see here. How dare you publicise it?

It’s already been reported. He’s just posting links. That’s the point surely. There is no conspiracy of silence at all. There’s no need for people like Tommy Robinson. He’s just a criminal looking for publicity and stirring hatred.

I’m quite certain that most Muslim people feel the same way about child abuse as most Christian people do. It’s abhorrent. Incidentally I’m not sure paedophilia is the correct term in post pubescent children, but it’s still wrong obviously.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2018, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2018, 03:11 PM) *
It’s already been reported. He’s just posting links. That’s the point surely. There is no conspiracy of silence at all. There’s no need for people like Tommy Robinson. He’s just a criminal looking for publicity and stirring hatred.

I’m quite certain that most Muslim people feel the same way about child abuse as most Christian people do. It’s abhorrent. Incidentally I’m not sure paedophilia is the correct term in post pubescent children, but it’s still wrong obviously.

Its not incidental and it gives an insight into your mind.

Posted by: newres Jun 9 2018, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2018, 04:02 PM) *
Its not incidental and it gives an insight into your mind.

Yes, logical and calm.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2018, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2018, 12:31 AM) *
One failed case might look like good news for the liberals but when set in its fuller context:

Oxford 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
Old Bailey court. Offences 2004-12. Convicted 2013. More than 300 victims from 12 yo/7 Muslim men convicted, aged 27-38. Gang leaders Eritean, others Pakistani. Bradford, Leeds, London, Slough, Bournemouth. Judge: “a series of sexual crimes of the utmost depravity”. Operation Bullfinch. Zeeshan Ahmed jailed for 18 months for perverting the course of justice by threatening to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. In July 2017 Oxford multi-millionaire Tariq Khuja lost his court battle to keep his name out of the media reports about this trial. He was never charged

• Oxford 2014
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/11263177.Man_jailed_after_admitting_sex_assault_on_teenage_girl/
Oxford court. Victim 17 yo/Three abusers 26-28 yo Palestinian asylum seekers. Jailed 18, 18 and 42 months for sexual assault. One abuser had threatened to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. Palestinian. To be deported on release.

• Oxford 2016 (1)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14605684.Two_men_jailed_for__horrendous_abuse__of_a_female_victim_in_Oxford/
Oxford court. Victim 14 yo (social skills of a 7 yo)/2 abusers now 34 & 37 yo convicted on rape and prostitution charges. Offences in 2005-07. Cocaine and alcohol. Simultaneous rape. Judge: “She was just an object to satisfy your lust. Over a number of months you deliberately groomed this girl.” Iffley. Thames Valley Police

• Oxford 2016 (2)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-36526128 http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14755110.REVEALED__Fourth_man_guilty_of_child_sex_offences_in_Sabaton_trial/
Oxford court. Victims 13 and 15 yo/Abusers 30-46 yo. Abuse from 1999-2007 and 2007-09. Convictions for: rape, indecent assault, making a threat to kill, supply of heroin and cocaine. Also, on 3 Nov 2016, for taking indecent pictures of a child. Defendants denied all charges. Some acquittals after one victim insisted her participation was consensual. Operation Sabaton.

• Oxford 2016 (3)
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14803181.Former_hospital_worker_jailed_following_sexual_relationship_with_schoolgirl/
Old Bailey. Victim 14/Abuser now 28. Offences 2008-2011. Accused of multiple rapes and sexual activity with a child over two years. Convicted only of sexual activity with a child. Jailed for 8 months

• Oxford 2017 (1) – trial set for 18 April 2017
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14915396.Operation_Rolo_men_appear_in_court_over_sex_offences/
Oxford Court. Seven accused. Operation Rolo. Trial date 18 April 2017

• Oxford 2017 (2) – trials set for September 2017 (6 men) and January 2018 (11 men)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/15191943.UPDATE__Six_arrests_for_child_sex_offences_as_eight_men_appear_in_court_after_raid/
Oxford Court. 3 victims/17 accused. Offences 2008-2015. Banbury, Operation Nautical

• Oxford 2017 (3)
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/15339807.Fourteen_men_appear_at_Oxford_Crown_Court_to_deny_a_string_of_child_sex_abuse_charges/
Oxford Court. Victims include 14-16 year-olds/ 14 men charged, 35-55 yo. 36 charges for offences 1998-2005. Men from Oxford, Birmingham, Bolton, Cowley. Prosecutor: “This case concerns sexual exploitation on a massive scale. Routine, cynical and predatory sexual exploitation.” Trial expected to finish early 2018

There are now 170 known completed trials with convictions for rape jihad offences at 68 main locations.
And perhaps this snippet goes part way of why such cases fail, and I quote: "One abuser had threatened to shoot the victim of the sexual assault if she did not stop talking to police. Palestinian. To be deported on release."


Yes, quite dreadful and no one denies that. Nonetheless, the issue has been identified and actions are already in hand designed to deal with the issue. It's no different at all to crimes committed by identifiable population segments, when they are recognised, action is taken. So again, as a court case was underway and wider investigations / corrective actions being put in place, Tommy Robinson's intervention will be seen by many as wholly unnecessary. If he had other aims what are they?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2018, 05:55 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2018, 04:57 PM) *
Yes, logical and calm.

No, Woke and Soyboy

Posted by: newres Jun 9 2018, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2018, 06:55 PM) *
No, Woke and Soyboy

Insults?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2018, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2018, 08:42 PM) *
Insults?

I dont think either are an insult. Just a definition.

Posted by: newres Jun 10 2018, 06:01 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2018, 08:51 PM) *
I dont think either are an insult. Just a definition.

Calling someone effeminate? It's an insult used by the far right. Are these your lot? Were you and the other Nazis from here there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9q-0wj31-E

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 10 2018, 08:49 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 10 2018, 07:01 AM) *
Calling someone effeminate? It's an insult used by the far right. Are these your lot? Were you and the other Nazis from here there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9q-0wj31-E


What if we were? Or are you against protests unless they meet your criteria?

Posted by: newres Jun 10 2018, 12:53 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2018, 09:49 AM) *
What if we were? Or are you against protests unless they meet your criteria?

Odd, I thought we'd at least agree that violent protests attacking the police are wrong. Clearly you think attacking the police is acceptable for right wing extremists. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 10 2018, 01:09 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 10 2018, 01:53 PM) *
Odd, I thought we'd at least agree that violent protests attacking the police are wrong. Clearly you think attacking the police is acceptable for right wing extremists. rolleyes.gif

You seem to think that "old enough to bleed old enough to need" is some sort of excuse for paedophillia. I think I'd prefer to be a right wing extremist. Which I'm not.😘

Posted by: newres Jun 10 2018, 01:22 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2018, 02:09 PM) *
You seem to think that "old enough to bleed old enough to need" is some sort of excuse for paedophillia. I think I'd prefer to be a right wing extremist. Which I'm not.😘

What a disgusting thing to say. I think that sentence says more about you than me.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 10 2018, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2018, 03:11 PM) *
Incidentally I’m not sure paedophilia is the correct term in post pubescent children


You said it.

Posted by: newres Jun 10 2018, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2018, 04:31 PM) *
You said it.

That's a statement of fact. You're more of an "alternative fact" guy though aren't you? Like most alt right thickies.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 10 2018, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 10 2018, 04:37 PM) *
That's a statement of fact. You're more of an "alternative fact" guy though aren't you? Like most alt right thickies.

Libtard in insult shocker when hoisted by his own petard.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 10 2018, 06:15 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2018, 04:50 PM) *
Libtard in insult shocker when hoisted by his own petard.


Just a friendly word. Given your stated senior position in a prestige IT fim; it would be wise to consider moderating your responses, if not your views. I'm sure you'll appreciate how you present yourself here isn't likely to be helpful to your firm or your profession.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 10 2018, 06:55 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2018, 07:15 PM) *
Just a friendly word. Given your stated senior position in a prestige IT fim; it would be wise to consider moderating your responses, if not your views. I'm sure you'll appreciate how you present yourself here isn't likely to be helpful to your firm or your profession.


Noted. I won't be posting anymore. To me it was just a bit of fun but the abive almost seems a threat so thats me done. Enjoy your boring board.

Posted by: newres Jun 10 2018, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2018, 07:55 PM) *
Noted. I won't be posting anymore. To me it was just a bit of fun but the abive almost seems a threat so thats me done. Enjoy your boring board.

See you next week. laugh.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 10 2018, 11:53 PM

laugh.gif

Bluddy kids!

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 11 2018, 08:00 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 10 2018, 07:01 AM) *
Calling someone effeminate? It's an insult used by the far right. Are these your lot? Were you and the other Nazis from here there?

Godwin strikes again!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
"Invoke the Nazis and you’ve lost the argument"
"There’s an internet law, now more than 20 years old, known as Godwin’s Law of Nazi analogies. “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.” The law perhaps ought to be introduced into everyday life. The phenomenon of the absurd, exaggerated comparison, made, apparently, in all seriousness"

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 11 2018, 08:29 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 11 2018, 09:00 AM) *
Godwin strikes again!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
"Invoke the Nazis and you’ve lost the argument"
"There’s an internet law, now more than 20 years old, known as Godwin’s Law of Nazi analogies. “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.” The law perhaps ought to be introduced into everyday life. The phenomenon of the absurd, exaggerated comparison, made, apparently, in all seriousness"


Hear hear! Let's face it the whole point of debate is to evaluate differing views of a given subject. By definition we all come from different angles or there would be little point in having a forum. Name calling when one fails to convince the opposition is a sign of weakness and has no place in the adult world. Indeed it should be discouraged in the junior playground but I assume that because it isn't we have a population that believes in the right of the bully, the bigot, and the ill-informed.
I know passions run high on some subjects but name calling is not nice so stop it.

Posted by: newres Jun 11 2018, 09:34 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 11 2018, 09:00 AM) *
Godwin strikes again!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
"Invoke the Nazis and you’ve lost the argument"
"There’s an internet law, now more than 20 years old, known as Godwin’s Law of Nazi analogies. “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.” The law perhaps ought to be introduced into everyday life. The phenomenon of the absurd, exaggerated comparison, made, apparently, in all seriousness"

It’s just a generic term for right wing extremists. Would you prefer Islamaphobes? Racists? Fascists?

Posted by: x2lls Jun 11 2018, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2018, 07:15 PM) *
Just a friendly word. Given your stated senior position in a prestige IT fim; it would be wise to consider moderating your responses, if not your views. I'm sure you'll appreciate how you present yourself here isn't likely to be helpful to your firm or your profession.



And so, the publicly self designated thought police get enrolled locally. The Stazi did this. Get the locals to make other locals "aware" and follow the line. There has already been an example of a wife's views resulting in her husband being sacked.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 11 2018, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2018, 10:34 AM) *
It’s just a generic term for right wing extremists. Would you prefer Islamaphobes? Racists? Fascists?



The term "Generic" in this context means "Anything I want it to mean". In my my case, under the banner "Generic", I want my country to be the one I was born into. Y'Know, the freedom bit.

Posted by: newres Jun 11 2018, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 11 2018, 03:41 PM) *
The term "Generic" in this context means "Anything I want it to mean". In my my case, under the banner "Generic", I want my country to be the one I was born into. Y'Know, the freedom bit.

Me too, so I can call you what I like and you can hate people because they are brown.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2018, 05:44 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 11 2018, 03:34 PM) *
And so, the publicly self designated thought police get enrolled locally. The Stazi did this. Get the locals to make other locals "aware" and follow the line. There has already been an example of a wife's views resulting in her husband being sacked.


Certainly no threat. Those claiming that free speech is a British value are only partly correct. If we really did have total free speech, we wouldn't have Speakers Corner - there would be no need. Equally, free speech works both ways - those who feel that things said are unpleasant and nasty must also be free to express themselves too. For my part, I've certainly no objection to people holding or indeed promoting what I might consider obnoxious views and will respond. So, that's free speech; it works both ways.

In this particular thread, surely you must recognise that the methods Tommy Robinson uses to promote his views follow exactly the methods adopted to set up the Soviet state - violent agitation - look at the EDL's website.

Posted by: newres Jun 11 2018, 06:21 PM

Wonder if the EDL are doing much about this one:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/edl-english-defence-league-leigh-mcmillan-jailed-paedophile-old-bailey-a8231231.html

The victim was 10!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2018, 08:59 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 11 2018, 03:34 PM) *
And so, the publicly self designated thought police get enrolled locally. The Stazi did this. Get the locals to make other locals "aware" and follow the line. There has already been an example of a wife's views resulting in her husband being sacked.


I'd encourage you, JSC and all others to boycott this forum. On The Edge and Newres can then live on this board in a liberal echo chamber free from anything they may find remotely offensive to their ever so sensitive souls. When people start making "threats" about contacting your work over social media posts on a local forum its time to move on. I'd be more than happy to meet you guys for a beer. Far better than coversing with these "people".

Posted by: newres Jun 12 2018, 06:39 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2018, 09:59 PM) *
I'd encourage you, JSC and all others to boycott this forum. On The Edge and Newres can then live on this board in a liberal echo chamber free from anything they may find remotely offensive to their ever so sensitive souls. When people start making "threats" about contacting your work over social media posts on a local forum its time to move on. I'd be more than happy to meet you guys for a beer. Far better than coversing with these "people".

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. laugh.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 12 2018, 07:25 AM

Why so worried about what people will see?

Posted by: x2lls Jun 12 2018, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2018, 06:44 PM) *
Certainly no threat. Those claiming that free speech is a British value are only partly correct. If we really did have total free speech, we wouldn't have Speakers Corner - there would be no need. Equally, free speech works both ways - those who feel that things said are unpleasant and nasty must also be free to express themselves too. For my part, I've certainly no objection to people holding or indeed promoting what I might consider obnoxious views and will respond. So, that's free speech; it works both ways.

In this particular thread, surely you must recognise that the methods Tommy Robinson uses to promote his views follow exactly the methods adopted to set up the Soviet state - violent agitation - look at the EDL's website.


TR never encourages violence and he left the EDL years ago.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 12 2018, 09:10 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 12 2018, 09:23 AM) *
TR never encourages violence and he left the EDL years ago.


Yes, I agree, 2011 he left the organisation he founded and so surely set its values and objectives. He seems to have been in and out of a good few political parties and groupings, which in anyone else would suggest he's having massive difficulty in securing and sustaining support. From what I can make out, he's now operating as what could be described as a militant investigative reporter. I must also say his way of not encouraging violence is unusual to say the least.

It has to be said that the UKs ever growing population is creating siuations causing grave concern to many people and severe financial measures have significantly excaserbated the issue. Yet the mainstream political parties seem unwilling to properly address these issues. Sadly, one of the main reasons for this failure is the ugly behaviour of those perporting to get the issue properly discussed.

If the issue is to gain any traction at all; joining and attempting to influence mass political movements must be the way forward.

Posted by: newres Jun 12 2018, 01:53 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 12 2018, 09:23 AM) *
TR never encourages violence and he left the EDL years ago.

I guess he left because of the paedos?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 12 2018, 03:41 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 12 2018, 02:53 PM) *
I guess he left because of the paedos?


Then why are you so keen on jezza's party? after all it's not like they have any track record, or do they?

1. Liam Temple Labour Councillor Inciting a child into ‘gross’ indecency
2. Stewart BrownLabour Party Lord Mayor Child Pornography
3. Sam Chaudry Labour Party Lord Mayor Elect & Labour Party Councillor Child Rapist
4. Nicholas Green Labour Party Lord Mayor Labour Party Councillor 13 rapes & assaults on Children
5. Keith Potts Labour Party Councillor Junior School Governor
6. Alan Prescott Labour Party Councillor Molesting Children in a ‘Care-Home ‘Where he worked
7. Terry Power Labour Party Councillor Sex attacks on boys
8. Joseph Shaw Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
9. George Harding Labour Party Councillor Indecent assault on a child
10. Lee Benson Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
11. Raymond Coates Labour Party Councillor Child rape
12. Les Sheppard Labour Party Councillor Sex attacks and rapes on Children
13. Martyn Locklin Labour Party Councillor Rape & Indecent assault on boys
14. Nelson Bland Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
15. Greg Vincent Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography Films
16. Alec Dyer Atkins Labour Party Councillor Member of the ‘Shadows Brotherhood ‘Peadophile Ring. 42,000 images of Children being abused
17. Keith Rogers Labour Party Councillor 2,000 images of child pornography
18. Paul Diggert Labour Party Councillor Grooming children & child pornography
19. Peter Tuffley ( worked also for NSPCC & Barnardos ) Labour Party Personal assistant to Hazel Blears Caught in bed with a 13 year old boy
20. Mark Trotter Labour Party Member & Super Activist Child rapist with Aids
21. Yusef Azad Labour Party on the Greater London Assembly Computer seized in anti-Child Porn Operation
22. Gilbert Benn Labour Party Councillor Molesting a boy
23. David Spooner Labour Party Councillor Master…ed in front of Two little Children
24. Mark Tann Labour Party member & Activist Repeatedly raped Two girls under Eight years old.
25. Iestyn Tudor Davies Labour Party Councillor Repeatedly raped a Child

PLUS+
26. John Friary Labour Party Councillor Grooming a child on facebook
27. Steve Carnell Labour Party Councillor Downloading Child and Animal Porn
28. Toren Smith Labour Party Councillor Found Guilty of 94.000 Images of Children Being Abused
29. Johnathan Phillips Labour Party Councillor Downloaded Child Porn on His Memory Stick. It Was Found in The Town Hall After a Labour Party Meeting
30. Phillip Lyon Labour Party Aide to Tony Blair His House of Commons Office Was Searched And He Was Found Guilty of Child Pornography
31. Mark Burton Labour Party Councillor Sexual molestation of child. Trial continues..
32. Neil Redrup Labour Party Councillor Found Guilty of opening sexually explicit content in front of child.
33. Timothy Edmeads Labour Party super activist and events organiser to Labour Lord Mayor guilty of sex assaults on 3 children.
34. Adrian Cirket Labour Party councillor and GMB union official downloading hundreds of sickening images of child abuse in his family home where he lived with his wife and three children..35. Darren Geoffrey Pedley Labour party councilor and chairman of the board of governors at Sandbrook primary school found guilty of downloading and distributing child pornography…36. Labour Councillor for Leicester Manish Sood found guilty of Grooming School kids for sex.
37. Evil Labour Party Councill Candidate & Junior School Governor Richard Harris Found guilty of offering Junior school children £500 for sex.
38. Ex Deputy Labour Party Lord Mayor John Johnson was charged with downloading hundreds of images of child molestation. Some of the images depicted sadomasochistic rituals with children being tortured and raped by multiple adults.
39. Labour Councillor for St Martins Ward & Lambeth Council Susan Smith along with her transvestite partner abducted and subjected a child to a three week rape ordeal.
40. North-west London councillor for the West Harrow ward and school governor Brian Gate resigned following his arrest over pornographic images of children.
41. Labour Party spin doctor and advisor Samuel Gamlin charged with making and distributing child rape videos.
42. Labour Party super activist and Council Candidate Ian Rankin was jailed for having in his possession video material containing some of the vilest kinds of child sexual abuse. Police say it was some of the worst paedophile material they had ever come across.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 12 2018, 03:55 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 12 2018, 04:41 PM) *
Then why are you so keen on jezza's party? after all it's not like they have any track record, or do they?

1. Liam Temple Labour Councillor Inciting a child into ‘gross’ indecency
2. Stewart BrownLabour Party Lord Mayor Child Pornography
3. Sam Chaudry Labour Party Lord Mayor Elect & Labour Party Councillor Child Rapist
4. Nicholas Green Labour Party Lord Mayor Labour Party Councillor 13 rapes & assaults on Children
5. Keith Potts Labour Party Councillor Junior School Governor
6. Alan Prescott Labour Party Councillor Molesting Children in a ‘Care-Home ‘Where he worked
7. Terry Power Labour Party Councillor Sex attacks on boys
8. Joseph Shaw Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
9. George Harding Labour Party Councillor Indecent assault on a child
10. Lee Benson Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
11. Raymond Coates Labour Party Councillor Child rape
12. Les Sheppard Labour Party Councillor Sex attacks and rapes on Children
13. Martyn Locklin Labour Party Councillor Rape & Indecent assault on boys
14. Nelson Bland Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
15. Greg Vincent Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography Films
16. Alec Dyer Atkins Labour Party Councillor Member of the ‘Shadows Brotherhood ‘Peadophile Ring. 42,000 images of Children being abused
17. Keith Rogers Labour Party Councillor 2,000 images of child pornography
18. Paul Diggert Labour Party Councillor Grooming children & child pornography
19. Peter Tuffley ( worked also for NSPCC & Barnardos ) Labour Party Personal assistant to Hazel Blears Caught in bed with a 13 year old boy
20. Mark Trotter Labour Party Member & Super Activist Child rapist with Aids
21. Yusef Azad Labour Party on the Greater London Assembly Computer seized in anti-Child Porn Operation
22. Gilbert Benn Labour Party Councillor Molesting a boy
23. David Spooner Labour Party Councillor Master…ed in front of Two little Children
24. Mark Tann Labour Party member & Activist Repeatedly raped Two girls under Eight years old.
25. Iestyn Tudor Davies Labour Party Councillor Repeatedly raped a Child

PLUS+
26. John Friary Labour Party Councillor Grooming a child on facebook
27. Steve Carnell Labour Party Councillor Downloading Child and Animal Porn
28. Toren Smith Labour Party Councillor Found Guilty of 94.000 Images of Children Being Abused
29. Johnathan Phillips Labour Party Councillor Downloaded Child Porn on His Memory Stick. It Was Found in The Town Hall After a Labour Party Meeting
30. Phillip Lyon Labour Party Aide to Tony Blair His House of Commons Office Was Searched And He Was Found Guilty of Child Pornography
31. Mark Burton Labour Party Councillor Sexual molestation of child. Trial continues..
32. Neil Redrup Labour Party Councillor Found Guilty of opening sexually explicit content in front of child.
33. Timothy Edmeads Labour Party super activist and events organiser to Labour Lord Mayor guilty of sex assaults on 3 children.
34. Adrian Cirket Labour Party councillor and GMB union official downloading hundreds of sickening images of child abuse in his family home where he lived with his wife and three children..35. Darren Geoffrey Pedley Labour party councilor and chairman of the board of governors at Sandbrook primary school found guilty of downloading and distributing child pornography…36. Labour Councillor for Leicester Manish Sood found guilty of Grooming School kids for sex.
37. Evil Labour Party Councill Candidate & Junior School Governor Richard Harris Found guilty of offering Junior school children £500 for sex.
38. Ex Deputy Labour Party Lord Mayor John Johnson was charged with downloading hundreds of images of child molestation. Some of the images depicted sadomasochistic rituals with children being tortured and raped by multiple adults.
39. Labour Councillor for St Martins Ward & Lambeth Council Susan Smith along with her transvestite partner abducted and subjected a child to a three week rape ordeal.
40. North-west London councillor for the West Harrow ward and school governor Brian Gate resigned following his arrest over pornographic images of children.
41. Labour Party spin doctor and advisor Samuel Gamlin charged with making and distributing child rape videos.
42. Labour Party super activist and Council Candidate Ian Rankin was jailed for having in his possession video material containing some of the vilest kinds of child sexual abuse. Police say it was some of the worst paedophile material they had ever come across.


Maybe this is why the Labour party have a growing support? After all they can not be accused of having a coherent policy, (good or bad).
Let's face it society is becoming increasingly vile and whatever the cause may be it can only lead to the eventual breakdown of that which most hold dear.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 12 2018, 04:48 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2018, 04:55 PM) *
Maybe this is why the Labour party have a growing support? After all they can not be accused of having a coherent policy, (good or bad).
Let's face it society is becoming increasingly vile and whatever the cause may be it can only lead to the eventual breakdown of that which most hold dear.


Yes, a sad indictment on today's society. Of course, the bigger the following, the bigger the list. Worth looking at the leaders though, LibDems have even suffered a soap! Nonetheless, I don't think any major party has had significant leaders gaoled for violent affray. Frankly, it's high time we demanded far more from our 'leaders' all of them.

Posted by: newres Jun 12 2018, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2018, 04:55 PM) *
Maybe this is why the Labour party have a growing support? After all they can not be accused of having a coherent policy, (good or bad).
Let's face it society is becoming increasingly vile and whatever the cause may be it can only lead to the eventual breakdown of that which most hold dear.

Are there any Labour voters on here now Simon's gone?

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 12 2018, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 12 2018, 06:28 PM) *
Are there any Labour voters on here now Simon's gone?


Would anyone admit to being a labour supporter? Thought not.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 12 2018, 08:50 PM

If there was an election tomorrow, I'm not sure I'd give my vote to Richard B, now he seems to be under Nick Soames influence, I couldn't bring myself to vote LibDem, which (unless there is a realistic independent) leaves Labour; internal squabbles apart, they appear to have some decent policy ideas. These were tested by BBC's Gyles Brandreth in a vox pop asking true blue Guildford voters what they thought of some of them - with positive results. So, right now, I can see myself voting Labour.

Posted by: newres Jun 13 2018, 12:53 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2018, 09:07 PM) *
Would anyone admit to being a labour supporter? Thought not.

Yes. I would admit to it. And I like much of what JC stands for. I agree with pretty much everything on foreign policy, but living here I wouldn’t vote Labour.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 13 2018, 06:49 AM

I couldn’t vote for a prospective cabinet which includes Abbott and McDonnell.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 13 2018, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 13 2018, 07:49 AM) *
I couldn’t vote for a prospective cabinet which includes Abbott and McDonnell.


Yes, the camp followers are a problem all round really. I suspect I would simply spoil my ballot paper. With the Tories you get the likes of Soames and Johnson. And a LibDem coalition wouldn't improve matters; look what happened last time, most of their unknown offerings simply collapsed. Not quite sure how we get people with integrity and intelligence to stand, let alone lead. Let's face it, UKIP made a valiant effort, but has now all but collapsed.

Posted by: Strafin Jun 13 2018, 10:27 AM

I'd vote Labour in a flash, in fact I have done twice in recent times. And once for the greens at the locals. I work in Manchester so voted up here in my weekday address which is a different demograph of people.

If we didn't have religion we wouldn't have half these problems, I was told by a Tommy Supporter the other day that you "don't hear of paedophilia in the C of E, or catholic church do you?"

So as much as I am a fairly liberal, left leaning individual, I am totally against Islam. But I am also against all churches and religions, and group that associates with them. Governmental, or otherwise. Seperate church and state, make religions pay tax and stop the undue influence they have and all this goes away.


Posted by: On the edge Jun 14 2018, 06:18 AM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 13 2018, 11:27 AM) *
I'd vote Labour in a flash, in fact I have done twice in recent times. And once for the greens at the locals. I work in Manchester so voted up here in my weekday address which is a different demograph of people.

If we didn't have religion we wouldn't have half these problems, I was told by a Tommy Supporter the other day that you "don't hear of paedophilia in the C of E, or catholic church do you?"

So as much as I am a fairly liberal, left leaning individual, I am totally against Islam. But I am also against all churches and religions, and group that associates with them. Governmental, or otherwise. Seperate church and state, make religions pay tax and stop the undue influence they have and all this goes away.


Thought provoking response - I'd forgotten the Greens, who on the face of it have some pretty good ideas. The religious bit is interesting, as we know, paedophilia / sexual abuse was (is?) rampant in many organisations, not just the church. The BBC, Council Homes, Junior Football clubs, Schools large and small etc, etc, etc. - arguably the common thread (obvious when you think about it) anywhere the victims are and the perpetrator has access, From my perspective, to use this crime as the reason for disestablishment is too far a leap, separation of church and state has its own argument and indeed a good few church goers would wholly agree and ironically believe that the existing set up is actually damaging to their beliefs. I wholly agree that there should be no special privilege in taxation, then I believe that should apply to all, public schools, charities, population segments too, However, there are several examples of secular states; that is, where all religion is suppressed. The Soviet regime, the German Reich, the Chinese communism. and today, North Korea. All of which have pretty disgusting records which match and in many cases exceed the abuses perpetrated by non secular states.

Posted by: newres Jun 14 2018, 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 13 2018, 11:27 AM) *
I'd vote Labour in a flash, in fact I have done twice in recent times. And once for the greens at the locals. I work in Manchester so voted up here in my weekday address which is a different demograph of people.

If we didn't have religion we wouldn't have half these problems, I was told by a Tommy Supporter the other day that you "don't hear of paedophilia in the C of E, or catholic church do you?"

So as much as I am a fairly liberal, left leaning individual, I am totally against Islam. But I am also against all churches and religions, and group that associates with them. Governmental, or otherwise. Seperate church and state, make religions pay tax and stop the undue influence they have and all this goes away.

Your Tommy supporter is like so many Tommy supporters - a MORON! No paedophilia in the Catholic church?!

Posted by: Berkshirelad Jun 14 2018, 02:33 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 6 2018, 03:28 PM) *
I havent read a lot of posts on here but at the point Tommy Robinson was arrested, the defendants hadn't been charged. Therefore they are not rapists, groomers or anything else, they are citizens just like the rest of us. That is the very crux of the issue really, because that seperates Robinson from other journalists and sums up why he isn't just doing the same as the others.



We don't live in a republic therefore we cannot be citizens; we are subjects of the Monarch.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 14 2018, 02:46 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2018, 01:34 PM) *
Your Tommy supporter is like so many Tommy supporters - a MORON! No paedophilia in the Catholic church?!


I would imagine he was speaking with a bucket load of irony. We are all aware that the christian church is now facing it's responsibilities in rooting out those who digress, albeit 2,000 years to late, but I have yet to hear one of the mad mullahs step forward in condemnation of those members of their flock that commit such heinous crimes, ( not that I listen that much ). I see no evidence to suggest that those with a religious agenda are any more prone to perversion than secular members of society but the tooth fairy does offer a haven for the peodophile to operate from.
My larger concern is that those who are caught and "punished" by the judicial system will be allowed to mix with their kind in prison and will commit even worse crimes on release, ( if that is possible ). Forgetting about their country of birth why can't we just deport them as not acceptable in the UK?


Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 14 2018, 07:01 PM

GOTCHA!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/13/eight-members-of-oxford-grooming-ring-jailed-for-sexual-assault

Lets just hope that they are as we speak being introduced to Mr broken mop handle in the showers.

Posted by: Strafin Jun 15 2018, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Jun 14 2018, 03:33 PM) *
We don't live in a republic therefore we cannot be citizens; we are subjects of the Monarch.

We're all citizens of the EU!

Posted by: Strafin Jun 15 2018, 08:44 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2018, 08:01 PM) *
GOTCHA!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/13/eight-members-of-oxford-grooming-ring-jailed-for-sexual-assault

Lets just hope that they are as we speak being introduced to Mr broken mop handle in the showers.

Good.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 15 2018, 07:46 PM

I'm a citizen of the world!

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 15 2018, 07:54 PM

Ha! I sometime feel like I'm a citizen of some alternate reality TV show dreamt up by those genius people at channel 4.

Posted by: x2lls Jul 12 2018, 12:57 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2018, 07:30 PM) *
So Tommy Robinson is now imprsioned for reporting outside the court on the rape trial of an accused 29 men.
His crime? Reporting on a trial where no reporting is allowed.
He will most likely be murdered in prison.
Thousands protesting in Downing St.
And not a word in the news as it is banned from reporting his arrest!
Whether you agree with him or not this turn of events is a worry.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1017385803947888640


Just saying.

Posted by: newres Jul 12 2018, 01:54 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 12 2018, 01:57 PM) *
https://twitter.com/i/status/1017385803947888640


Just saying.

Not working. . laugh.gif

Posted by: On the edge Jul 12 2018, 04:06 PM

If this is because of the Police clamp down on the 'Free Tommy Robinson' campaigners during the Trump visit they only have themselves to blame. The record shows their most recent demonstration was not peaceful and there were several arrests. So what did they expect? Freedom of speech doesn't include freedom to riot.

Posted by: x2lls Jul 12 2018, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 12 2018, 02:54 PM) *
Not working. . laugh.gif


What does "not working mean"? Please be specific.

Posted by: x2lls Jul 12 2018, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 12 2018, 05:06 PM) *
If this is because of the Police clamp down on the 'Free Tommy Robinson' campaigners during the Trump visit they only have themselves to blame. The record shows their most recent demonstration was not peaceful and there were several arrests. So what did they expect? Freedom of speech doesn't include freedom to riot.



No it is not about that.
Since you ask, you do know the violence toward the policeman who was hospitalised was anitfa?

Posted by: On the edge Jul 13 2018, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 12 2018, 10:56 PM) *
No it is not about that.
Since you ask, you do know the violence toward the policeman who was hospitalised was anitfa?


Yes, I can now see the link. She is giving voice to an opinion, which even if I don't like it, is very common, and as you imply, not properly considered by mainstream media or politics; indeed at their peril.

However, the real message is being lost, effectively drowned out by the messenger. It's an odeous comparison, but it's now recognised that Scargill was right about the closure of coal mines and the destruction of the coal industry. Some realised that at the time, but, the Government of the day got its way because it simply consentrated on the violently aggressive tactics of the messenger.

Arguably, our Government, following Heyak's monitorist theories, is actually benefitting from the tactics of the messengers in this case. It means they have to do very little to keep the mass of the population quiet.

I don't personally like Donald Trump at all BUT he's throwing in some very pertinent messages. Which are likely to have far more effect than a plastic balloon, which simply makes us all look stupid. So the Liberal left don't get it either.

Posted by: x2lls Jul 13 2018, 10:21 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 13 2018, 09:43 AM) *
Yes, I can now see the link. She is giving voice to an opinion, which even if I don't like it, is very common, and as you imply, not properly considered by mainstream media or politics; indeed at their peril.

However, the real message is being lost, effectively drowned out by the messenger. It's an odeous comparison, but it's now recognised that Scargill was right about the closure of coal mines and the destruction of the coal industry. Some realised that at the time, but, the Government of the day got its way because it simply consentrated on the violently aggressive tactics of the messenger.

Arguably, our Government, following Heyak's monitorist theories, is actually benefitting from the tactics of the messengers in this case. It means they have to do very little to keep the mass of the population quiet.

I don't personally like Donald Trump at all BUT he's throwing in some very pertinent messages. Which are likely to have far more effect than a plastic balloon, which simply makes us all look stupid. So the Liberal left don't get it either.



Excellent viewpoint, thank you.

Posted by: x2lls Jul 15 2018, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 13 2018, 11:21 AM) *
Excellent viewpoint, thank you.



The good man has been here in the UK for the period of no response.


Posted by: newres Jul 16 2018, 06:43 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 15 2018, 11:48 PM) *
The good man has been here in the UK for the period of no response.

Are you talking about Trump the ****?

Posted by: On the edge Jul 16 2018, 09:34 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 15 2018, 11:48 PM) *
The good man has been here in the UK for the period of no response.


Indeed he has.

Firstly, I have to say, I'm very disappointed that the Greenpeace activist who disobeyed the no fly zone in Scotland wasn't arrested. I criticise Tommy Robinson for disobeying the law which sent him to gaol, but the Greenpeace chap, apparently free to go. Now that's what brings the law and the enforcement agencies into disrepute.

Secondly, he's been bringing us some hard truths. We are conducting the negotiations with the EU as a battle - ia win / lose situation. Real negotiations, particularly for commerce, should be win / win - BOTH parties should want a better deal. So, he's spot on about that! It hits at the very core of the EU issue, if it was really just a 'common market' - both sides of this present debate would be about retaining that and even trying to improve. We seem willing, so why is the EU so anti? Arguably, it has much to lose politically and our leaving brings into sharp focus its imperial aim. We can have a trade deal with the US, it will be a tough negotiate, so it should be, that's commerce BUT both sides would want it to happen and with a good team, win / win is perfectly possible.

Thirdly, whatever he's said, like it or not, he's been polite and actually statesmanlike. Rather like a rich Uncle calling at the home of a poor relation, where the kids are unruly and out of control, he's made us look like precocious pygmies.

There is an old Wykamist saying, which according to an old teacher of mine, used to sum up our way of things - manners mayketh man.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 16 2018, 03:57 PM

I am still at a loss to what their actual protest of Trump is all about? They label him misogynistic yet nothing could be further from the truth as he appears to have a very "healthy" interest in women. Racist? No evidence that he is a closet member of the Ku Klux Klan or an advocator of segregation, yet the mob would quite willingly burn him as a heretic given half a chance. The stunt involving a powerglider was stupid but it did highlight that despite spending £40 million on security it was an abject failure. Instead of a greenpeace protester what would have happened if it had been an armed terrorist? 2 dozen cruise missiles would be on the way before mother Theresa could say "whoops sorry"!
Least he knows that if he has to sit down and forge a trade deal he is dealing with idiots.

Posted by: newres Jul 16 2018, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 16 2018, 04:57 PM) *
I am still at a loss to what their actual protest of Trump is all about? They label him misogynistic yet nothing could be further from the truth as he appears to have a very "healthy" interest in women. Racist? No evidence that he is a closet member of the Ku Klux Klan or an advocator of segregation, yet the mob would quite willingly burn him as a heretic given half a chance. The stunt involving a powerglider was stupid but it did highlight that despite spending £40 million on security it was an abject failure. Instead of a greenpeace protester what would have happened if it had been an armed terrorist? 2 dozen cruise missiles would be on the way before mother Theresa could say "whoops sorry"!
Least he knows that if he has to sit down and forge a trade deal he is dealing with idiots.

He describes "grabbing women by the *****" - mysogynistic
He is supported by the KKK and when there was a riot involving white supremacists he described there being "very fine people on both sides". Racist or supporter of racists.
His language to describe blacks, Muslims and Mexicans is racist. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/african-nations-slam-trump-s-vulgar-remarks-reprehensible-racist-n837486


Posted by: On the edge Jul 16 2018, 06:07 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 16 2018, 06:03 PM) *
He describes "grabbing women by the *****" - mysogynistic
He is supported by the KKK and when there was a riot involving white supremacists he described there being "very fine people on both sides". Racist or supporter of racists.
His language to describe blacks, Muslims and Mexicans is racist. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/african-nations-slam-trump-s-vulgar-remarks-reprehensible-racist-n837486


You are right of course, and it's our culture in our space today so to speak. Just on a centuary ago, when we were a global power, Americans were often offended by the manners and habits of our PM. H H Asquith's behaviour to women would have landed him in gaol these days. Winston Churchill, wasn't free of quite rabid racist views. And many Muslim leaders have and promote quite horrific legal, feminine and racial attitudes. Yet often laud these figures. I personally don't find President Trump's persona or many of his policies at all attractive. Nonetheless, he is a democratically elected Head of State and does demonstrably have some natural instinct for leadership. What I find quite reprehensible is our double standards here. Not one breath of criticisim about the French President and his personal life, or the apparent abuse of alcohol by the EU senior, or indeed our pandering to other rather worse unelected dictators.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 16 2018, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 16 2018, 07:07 PM) *
You are right of course, and it's our culture in our space today so to speak. Just on a centuary ago, when we were a global power, Americans were often offended by the manners and habits of our PM. H H Asquith's behaviour to women would have landed him in gaol these days. Winston Churchill, wasn't free of quite rabid racist views. And many Muslim leaders have and promote quite horrific legal, feminine and racial attitudes. Yet often laud these figures. I personally don't find President Trump's persona or many of his policies at all attractive. Nonetheless, he is a democratically elected Head of State and does demonstrably have some natural instinct for leadership. What I find quite reprehensible is our double standards here. Not one breath of criticisim about the French President and his personal life, or the apparent abuse of alcohol by the EU senior, or indeed our pandering to other rather worse unelected dictators.

Dont dare criticise JC Drunker. He had sciatica dont you know. Makes you sway from side to side and kiss people lots. Oh and it only occurs as the day wears on and gets better overnight.😂

Oh and where are the mass protests against the Saudis and other "not so nice" states?? Trump achieved more in one mission on NATO with the EU than Obama did in 8 years. Suddenly the EU states have to pay the 2% of GDP that they signed up to. Funny that. He has met Kim Jong un, the Chinese leader and now Putin. You may dislike his politic but he is a novelty. A politician that follows though on election promises in the main. And he will get 4 more years.

Posted by: newres Jul 16 2018, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 16 2018, 08:58 PM) *
Dont dare criticise JC Drunker. He had sciatica dont you know. Makes you sway from side to side and kiss people lots. Oh and it only occurs as the day wears on and gets better overnight.😂

Oh and where are the mass protests against the Saudis and other "not so nice" states?? Trump achieved more in one mission on NATO with the EU than Obama did in 8 years. Suddenly the EU states have to pay the 2% of GDP that they signed up to. Funny that. He has met Kim Jong un, the Chinese leader and now Putin. You may dislike his politic but he is a novelty. A politician that follows though on election promises in the main. And he will get 4 more years.

Right our kid. laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 16 2018, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 16 2018, 09:18 PM) *
Right our kid. laugh.gif

Your mincers have seen the light. Just better hope the trouble likes your views now. Your still an Aris mind.

Posted by: newres Jul 17 2018, 05:21 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 16 2018, 09:33 PM) *
Your mincers have seen the light. Just better hope the trouble likes your views now. Your still an Aris mind.

Testing your pottery speak? I actually haven’t a scoobie what you’re talking about.

Posted by: Strafin Jul 17 2018, 07:51 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 16 2018, 08:58 PM) *
Dont dare criticise JC Drunker. He had sciatica dont you know. Makes you sway from side to side and kiss people lots. Oh and it only occurs as the day wears on and gets better overnight.😂

Oh and where are the mass protests against the Saudis and other "not so nice" states?? Trump achieved more in one mission on NATO with the EU than Obama did in 8 years. Suddenly the EU states have to pay the 2% of GDP that they signed up to. Funny that. He has met Kim Jong un, the Chinese leader and now Putin. You may dislike his politic but he is a novelty. A politician that follows though on election promises in the main. And he will get 4 more years.

Let's have a couple of examples then....

Posted by: Strafin Jul 17 2018, 07:53 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 16 2018, 09:33 PM) *
Your mincers have seen the light. Just better hope the trouble likes your views now. Your still an Aris mind.


I don't get it either? Mincers? Hope the trouble likes your view?

Perhaps we're being thick but can you just say what you mean?

Posted by: newres Jul 17 2018, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jul 17 2018, 08:53 AM) *
I don't get it either? Mincers? Hope the trouble likes your view?

Perhaps we're being thick but can you just say what you mean?

I'm guessing he was pissed.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 17 2018, 04:40 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 17 2018, 03:22 PM) *
I'm guessing he was pissed.

Not at all. Just shows how thick you are. Thought it would be funny to take the mick out of Potters. Same back for cockney idiots. But then intelligence was never a 💪 of yours. 😂

Posted by: newres Jul 17 2018, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 17 2018, 05:40 PM) *
Not at all. Just shows how thick you are. Thought it would be funny to take the mick out of Potters. Same back for cockney idiots. But then intelligence was never a 💪 of yours. 😂

Who's a cockney?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 17 2018, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 17 2018, 07:52 PM) *
Who's a cockney?

You lived in London cockney boy. Fled to Newbury cos you didn't like all the immigration.

Posted by: Strafin Jul 18 2018, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 17 2018, 05:40 PM) *
Not at all. Just shows how thick you are. Thought it would be funny to take the mick out of Potters. Same back for cockney idiots. But then intelligence was never a 💪 of yours. 😂

Yes when nobody understands your inane ramblings it's obviously everyone else who is thick.

What did you mean by mincers?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 18 2018, 03:52 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jul 18 2018, 10:21 AM) *
Yes when nobody understands your inane ramblings it's obviously everyone else who is thick.

What did you mean by mincers?


Mince pies = eyes. Mincers is a term used by cockney folk for eyes. Its is not derogatory in any way.

Posted by: newres Jul 18 2018, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 18 2018, 04:52 PM) *
Mince pies = eyes. Mincers is a term used by cockney folk for eyes. Its is not derogatory in any way.

Of course the whole thing fails if you have to explain it. I'm from Bristol incidentally.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 18 2018, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 18 2018, 05:47 PM) *
Of course the whole thing fails if you have to explain it. I'm from Bristol incidentally.

London, Bristol... Anywhere else??? So many places you have lived Walter...

Posted by: Andy Capp Jul 18 2018, 11:43 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 18 2018, 04:52 PM) *
Mince pies = eyes. Mincers is a term used by cockney folk for eyes. Its is not derogatory in any way.

It is also a pejorative term for a group of gay or very camp people.

Posted by: newres Jul 19 2018, 05:31 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 18 2018, 07:40 PM) *
London, Bristol... Anywhere else??? So many places you have lived Walter...

Well, actually I was born in Liverpool. Brought up in Bristol, then university in London and stayed until our first child was 2. Since you ask. I've no need to invent coming from a ****** northern town unlike you. laugh.gif

Posted by: Strafin Jul 19 2018, 11:23 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 18 2018, 04:52 PM) *
Mince pies = eyes. Mincers is a term used by cockney folk for eyes. Its is not derogatory in any way.

Ah, I see. If you say it with the accent it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: On the edge Jul 19 2018, 01:31 PM

Back to square 1.

This might seem contrived, but I can't help noticing the similarities between what Tommy Robindon did and what the BBC have been up to in the latest debacle.

In effect, their news team irregularly secured what should have been confidential information and then used it to broadcast information about Cliff Richard which in the circumstances of the time would lead many people to make wrong assumptions. It wasn't ever a matter of 'press freedom', just a massive ego trip by employees.

Weather the Police like it or not, people are still innocent until proven guilty and it is illegal to do anything which hinders the chances of a fair trial. Arguably, the Robinson case is the same, save for proceedings already underway, the illegality is codeified.

I'd say the Heads of news at the BBC should now be looking for alternative employment. Even if they aren't dealt with, they have done massive damage to the BBC's credibility as a responsible news source and to the wider, already very sensitive issue of press freedom.


Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 19 2018, 03:49 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 19 2018, 06:31 AM) *
Well, actually I was born in Liverpool. Brought up in Bristol, then university in London and stayed until our first child was 2. Since you ask. I've no need to invent coming from a ****** northern town unlike you. laugh.gif


Not following the thread too closely but I thought TDH heralled from Stoke on Trent? Not exactly the " ******* north" is it? Or is it a case of anything topside of Watford is considered northern?

Posted by: newres Jul 19 2018, 03:55 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 19 2018, 04:49 PM) *
Not following the thread too closely but I thought TDH heralled from Stoke on Trent? Not exactly the " ******* north" is it? Or is it a case of anything topside of Watford is considered northern?

Stoke's the north west. It's practically Cheshire.

Posted by: Strafin Jul 19 2018, 06:12 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 19 2018, 02:31 PM) *
Back to square 1.

This might seem contrived, but I can't help noticing the similarities between what Tommy Robindon did and what the BBC have been up to in the latest debacle.

In effect, their news team irregularly secured what should have been confidential information and then used it to broadcast information about Cliff Richard which in the circumstances of the time would lead many people to make wrong assumptions. It wasn't ever a matter of 'press freedom', just a massive ego trip by employees.

Weather the Police like it or not, people are still innocent until proven guilty and it is illegal to do anything which hinders the chances of a fair trial. Arguably, the Robinson case is the same, save for proceedings already underway, the illegality is codeified.

I'd say the Heads of news at the BBC should now be looking for alternative employment. Even if they aren't dealt with, they have done massive damage to the BBC's credibility as a responsible news source and to the wider, already very sensitive issue of press freedom.

There wasn't any reporting restrictions in place in the Cliff Richard case, so it's not similar at all.

I suspect the BBC are going to appeal this and if they do I think they will win.

Posted by: On the edge Jul 19 2018, 06:27 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jul 19 2018, 07:12 PM) *
There wasn't any reporting restrictions in place in the Cliff Richard case, so it's not similar at all.

I suspect the BBC are going to appeal this and if they do I think they will win.


Arguably there is, the existing law about doing anything that is likely to prevent a fair trial. What would you be saying if the Police obtained a warrant and entered your home simply because they suspected you had committed a serious offence and let even the local press know? I think there was a very similar case a few years back, when the Daily Mail were ripped apart for publishing a picture which showed the victim 'looked odd'.

I, for one, would take grave exception to the BBC appealing this, they have wasted far too much licence payers money already and they are NOT the guardians of public or even press morality. They are one of the few remaining nationalised industries and now epitomise all that was wrong with them.

So, much as I detest Tommy Robinson and all he stands for, I can quite understand why he did what he did. I suspect he regrets not having an NUJ card now!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 19 2018, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 19 2018, 07:27 PM) *
Arguably there is, the existing law about doing anything that is likely to prevent a fair trial. What would you be saying if the Police obtained a warrant and entered your home simply because they suspected you had committed a serious offence and let even the local press know? I think there was a very similar case a few years back, when the Daily Mail were ripped apart for publishing a picture which showed the victim 'looked odd'.

I, for one, would take grave exception to the BBC appealing this, they have wasted far too much licence payers money already and they are NOT the guardians of public or even press morality. They are one of the few remaining nationalised industries and now epitomise all that was wrong with them.

So, much as I detest Tommy Robinson and all he stands for, I can quite understand why he did what he did. I suspect he regrets not having an NUJ card now!


Institutions like the NHS and BBC are luvvies favourites. They should be held to account though in the same way as any other business. If you dont you end up with farces like the Cliff Richard saga and more pertanently people ignoring whistle blowers on Dr's who may be knocking off patients...

Love the NHS.. Tick
Love the BBC... Tick
Hate the Brexiteers.... Tick
Love immigrants even the bad ones.... Tick
Hate Trump... Tick
Hate Thatcher even though she is dead... Tick
Hate the flag of St George.... Tick
Paint everything Rainbow... Tick
Hate middle / old age white males... Tick

I could go on.... But it gets boring after a while...

Posted by: newres Jul 20 2018, 06:37 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 19 2018, 08:58 PM) *
Institutions like the NHS and BBC are luvvies favourites. They should be held to account though in the same way as any other business. If you dont you end up with farces like the Cliff Richard saga and more pertanently people ignoring whistle blowers on Dr's who may be knocking off patients...

Love the NHS.. Tick
Love the BBC... Tick
Hate the Brexiteers.... Tick
Love immigrants even the bad ones.... Tick
Hate Trump... Tick
Hate Thatcher even though she is dead... Tick
Hate the flag of St George.... Tick
Paint everything Rainbow... Tick
Hate middle / old age white males... Tick

I could go on.... But it gets boring after a while...

You ought to not think in such black and white terms. I think the behaviour of the BBC was pretty poor and someone should lose their job. It wasn’t even an arrest.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 20 2018, 07:11 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 19 2018, 04:55 PM) *
Stoke's the north west. It's practically Cheshire.


Bit like saying Carlisle is nearly Scotland. Staffordshire has always been a Midlands county and I see no point in changing it. cool.gif

Posted by: newres Jul 20 2018, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 20 2018, 08:11 AM) *
Bit like saying Carlisle is nearly Scotland. Staffordshire has always been a Midlands county and I see no point in changing it. cool.gif

Well it's 60 miles north of Birmingham. Let's agree to differ on this hair splitting exercise..

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 20 2018, 03:29 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 20 2018, 01:49 PM) *
Well it's 60 miles north of Birmingham. Let's agree to differ on this hair splitting exercise..


Handbags have been swung for less on here. wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif

Posted by: newres Jul 20 2018, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 20 2018, 04:29 PM) *
Handbags have been swung for less on here. wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif

Very true. biggrin.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 20 2018, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 20 2018, 04:31 PM) *
Very true. biggrin.gif

Is Bristol the South West? 😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 21 2018, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 20 2018, 08:25 PM) *
Is Bristol the South West? 😂


Well it's south west of Stoke on Trent...........Just wink.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 1 2018, 11:24 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 2 2018, 09:01 AM) *
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“It can now be reported that Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, convicted fraudster, sometime-football hooligan and self-reinvented free speech advocate, was on Friday 25 May 2018 imprisoned for 13 months for contempt of court after livestreaming a broadcast, including footage of participants in a criminal trial, outside Leeds Crown Court...”



The good old Secret Barrister is taking one **** of a beating on his twitter feed.😂

Posted by: x2lls Aug 1 2018, 12:11 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 1 2018, 12:24 PM) *
The good old Secret Barrister is taking one **** of a beating on his twitter feed.😂



Bliss. At last common sense prevails. The secret bootyhole is a, well, bootyhole.

Posted by: Strafin Aug 1 2018, 01:12 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 1 2018, 12:24 PM) *
The good old Secret Barrister is taking one **** of a beating on his twitter feed.😂

I'm sure if he felt that way he'd probably just delete twitter.

Posted by: x2lls Aug 1 2018, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 1 2018, 02:12 PM) *
I'm sure if he felt that way he'd probably just delete twitter.



He deserves every bit of abuse going his way. Stuck up **** cutter.

Posted by: Strafin Aug 1 2018, 01:50 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 1 2018, 02:20 PM) *
He deserves every bit of abuse going his way. Stuck up **** cutter.

He doesn't. All he did was uphold the law.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 1 2018, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 1 2018, 01:11 PM) *
Bliss. At last common sense prevails. The secret bootyhole is a, well, bootyhole.


Well, I can't say that I agree with Tommy Robinsons methods or approach, but the news about his successful appeal restores some faith in British Justice.

Posted by: Strafin Aug 2 2018, 09:07 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 1 2018, 09:13 PM) *
Well, I can't say that I agree with Tommy Robinsons methods or approach, but the news about his successful appeal restores some faith in British Justice.

Succesful appeal? Not really, it's only the method of the trial that has been questioned and he still has to face a judge over the incident.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 2 2018, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 2 2018, 10:07 AM) *
Succesful appeal? Not really, it's only the method of the trial that has been questioned and he still has to face a judge over the incident.


That an appeal was allowed was success. Inspite of what many think appeals are by no means automatic and there has to be a pretty good case for one. Here, which is frankly disturbing, the issue was with the judge. At least Tommy Robinson has another chance. Of course, he might not succeed, but for a change the decision might be made on strict law.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 2 2018, 05:35 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 2 2018, 04:45 PM) *
That an appeal was allowed was success. Inspite of what many think appeals are by no means automatic and there has to be a pretty good case for one. Here, which is frankly disturbing, the issue was with the judge. At least Tommy Robinson has another chance. Of course, he might not succeed, but for a change the decision might be made on strict law.

The judge seen laughing with policeman as he was taken down? Not biased at all... Can you imagine if that had been a none white and the judge was seen laugjhing?

Posted by: Strafin Aug 3 2018, 08:10 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 2 2018, 06:35 PM) *
The judge seen laughing with policeman as he was taken down? Not biased at all... Can you imagine if that had been a none white and the judge was seen laugjhing?

Thats just ridiculous, that could have been absolutely anything - you've never laughed with someone who works in the same place?

However the appeals process is there for a reason, and in this case it has worked in Tommy's favour. I don't generally agree with the bloke, I think hes horrible, but he's a person like the rest of us and he has the same rights. If he has been wronged, it needs to be rectified.

Posted by: newres Aug 3 2018, 03:28 PM

Lovely bloke.

April 2005 conviction for assaulting an off-duty police officer
According to Searchlight magazine, Lennon was convicted in April 2005 for assault occasioning actual bodily harm. Lennon had assaulted an off-duty police officer who had intervened to stop a confrontation between Lennon and his partner Jenna Vowles, another BNP member, who was cautioned for possession of cocaine.[2][8]

June 2011 arrest for brawling
In June 2011 he was arrested in connection with a brawl at an EDL demonstration.
July 2011 arrest for brawling
The following month he was sentenced to twelve months of "community rehabilitation" for his front-line role in a fight between rival football hooligans, to which he responded that the country is a "police state."

May 2012 underage Twitter incident
In May 2012, Lennon took some time to comment on the body of a 15-year old on Twitter:[12]

On 20 October 2012 Lennon was arrested on suspicion of possessing a false passport (under the name "Andrew McMaster"), and, after spending Christmas in jail, was found guilty in January 2013.

November 2013 arrest for mortgage fraud
In November 2013, he was convicted of mortgage fraud[18] and sentenced in January 2014 to 18 months imprisonment.[19] He had conspired with a crooked mortgage broker, Deborah Rothschild, and others, to obtain mortgages under false pretences. Robinson obtained £160,000 over a period of 6 months; Rothschild helped her co-conspirators obtain a total of £640,000 and she was also jailed for 18 months.[20] He was released on parole in June 2014, again with conditions barring him from contact with the EDL.[21] Much of his sentence was spent in solitary confinement for his own protection.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 3 2018, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 3 2018, 04:28 PM) *
Lovely bloke.

April 2005 conviction for assaulting an off-duty police officer
According to Searchlight magazine, Lennon was convicted in April 2005 for assault occasioning actual bodily harm. Lennon had assaulted an off-duty police officer who had intervened to stop a confrontation between Lennon and his partner Jenna Vowles, another BNP member, who was cautioned for possession of cocaine.[2][8]

June 2011 arrest for brawling
In June 2011 he was arrested in connection with a brawl at an EDL demonstration.
July 2011 arrest for brawling
The following month he was sentenced to twelve months of "community rehabilitation" for his front-line role in a fight between rival football hooligans, to which he responded that the country is a "police state."

May 2012 underage Twitter incident
In May 2012, Lennon took some time to comment on the body of a 15-year old on Twitter:[12]

On 20 October 2012 Lennon was arrested on suspicion of possessing a false passport (under the name "Andrew McMaster"), and, after spending Christmas in jail, was found guilty in January 2013.

November 2013 arrest for mortgage fraud
In November 2013, he was convicted of mortgage fraud[18] and sentenced in January 2014 to 18 months imprisonment.[19] He had conspired with a crooked mortgage broker, Deborah Rothschild, and others, to obtain mortgages under false pretences. Robinson obtained £160,000 over a period of 6 months; Rothschild helped her co-conspirators obtain a total of £640,000 and she was also jailed for 18 months.[20] He was released on parole in June 2014, again with conditions barring him from contact with the EDL.[21] Much of his sentence was spent in solitary confinement for his own protection.


Yes. Not nice at all; which is why it is essential that any case brought against him, or anyone else for that matter must be tried properly and fairly. The basis of English law. So, when a potential error was found in his most recent trial which could have adversley affected the outcome, he'll have another day in Court. I don't like Tommy Robinson, but that he's been given his appeal makes me very pleased we are still governed under English law.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 3 2018, 06:45 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 3 2018, 07:19 PM) *
Yes. Not nice at all; which is why it is essential that any case brought against him, or anyone else for that matter must be tried properly and fairly. The basis of English law. So, when a potential error was found in his most recent trial which could have adversley affected the outcome, he'll have another day in Court. I don't like Tommy Robinson, but that he's been given his appeal makes me very pleased we are still governed under English law.

Whereas with newres its guilty until proved innocent for anyone who doesn't follow his ahem "liberal multi cultural" views. I expect like Lammy he blames white middle class people for all the black gang deaths in London. Nothing to do with Somali gangs upping the level of violence or so called drill music. No its Mr Smith in Tonbridge Wells who is the root cause as he tried coke once.😮

Posted by: newres Aug 3 2018, 09:01 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 3 2018, 07:45 PM) *
Whereas with newres its guilty until proved innocent for anyone who doesn't follow his ahem "liberal multi cultural" views. I expect like Lammy he blames white middle class people for all the black gang deaths in London. Nothing to do with Somali gangs upping the level of violence or so called drill music. No its Mr Smith in Tonbridge Wells who is the root cause as he tried coke once.😮

Jeez, you sound like a Southern redneck blaming Elvis Presley’s hip gyrations.

Anyway I think it’s scary that you hold up a thug like that as a hero.


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 3 2018, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 3 2018, 10:01 PM) *
Jeez, you sound like a Southern redneck blaming Elvis Presley’s hip gyrations.

Anyway I think it’s scary that you hold up a thug like that as a hero.


He is no hero. He should be judged in an unbiased way. He was not by this patricular judge. Hence the decision. You by the way sound like you read the independent and guardian and follow diane abbot, owen jones and david lammy on twitter. Did you cry when brexit happened and trump won?😂 I bet you even have #fbpe and a european flag in your twitter handle. SAD.

Posted by: newres Aug 4 2018, 06:37 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 3 2018, 10:39 PM) *
He is no hero. He should be judged in an unbiased way. He was not by this patricular judge. Hence the decision. You by the way sound like you read the independent and guardian and follow diane abbot, owen jones and david lammy on twitter. Did you cry when brexit happened and trump won?😂 I bet you even have #fbpe and a european flag in your twitter handle. SAD.

Well if he's innocent......

However we know he's not.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 4 2018, 07:03 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 4 2018, 07:37 AM) *
Well if he's innocent......

However we know he's not.

Good job we have a legal system then and don't rely on the law as defined by newres.

Posted by: newres Aug 4 2018, 09:17 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 4 2018, 08:03 AM) *
Good job we have a legal system then and don't rely on the law as defined by newres.

Did he not broadcast the footage then? He’s guilty it’s just that correct process may not have been followed. His legal team is bankrolled by extremists across the world.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 4 2018, 12:36 PM

I think we should wait until the appeal is heard before jumping to conclusions. This trait of insisting legal process and formal enquiry can only deliver populist judgements is quite disturbing. It's things like this which have turned our society into a selfish and illiterate mob. Over the past few years, a good number of foreign visitors have remarked that it seems like the English have no pride in their nation or institutions. I've never felt able to refute that.

Posted by: newres Aug 4 2018, 02:09 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 4 2018, 01:36 PM) *
I think we should wait until the appeal is heard before jumping to conclusions. This trait of insisting legal process and formal enquiry can only deliver populist judgements is quite disturbing. It's things like this which have turned our society into a selfish and illiterate mob. Over the past few years, a good number of foreign visitors have remarked that it seems like the English have no pride in their nation or institutions. I've never felt able to refute that.

It’s not jumping to conclusions to say that he broadcast contrary to a court order. It’s irrefutable. What remains to be seen is if he was harshly judged. Given his long history of criminal activity the sentence doesn’t seem disproportionate. But I’ve no idea what the sentencing guidelines are for what he did. As you say, we shall have to wait and see but I can’t deny being glad that such a disgusting person is behind bars.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 4 2018, 02:15 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 4 2018, 03:09 PM) *
It’s not jumping to conclusions to say that he broadcast contrary to a court order. It’s irrefutable. What remains to be seen is if he was harshly judged. Given his long history of criminal activity the sentence doesn’t seem disproportionate. But I’ve no idea what the sentencing guidelines are for what he did. As you say, we shall have to wait and see but I can’t deny being glad that such a disgusting person is behind bars.

I've yet to see you comment like that on any islamic terrorist. Says a lot. Making facebook live streams seems to be more upsetting ro you than mass murderers. But then they only do it because we are nasty white western people eh? In fact its probably our fault in your twisted mind.

Posted by: newres Aug 4 2018, 05:35 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 4 2018, 03:15 PM) *
I've yet to see you comment like that on any islamic terrorist. Says a lot. Making facebook live streams seems to be more upsetting ro you than mass murderers. But then they only do it because we are nasty white western people eh? In fact its probably our fault in your twisted mind.

Well I do think people that commit acts like the Manchester bombing should be behind bars, but generally they kill themselves in the process.

But I do think what's happening is our own fault because of our policies in the Middle East.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 4 2018, 06:28 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 4 2018, 06:35 PM) *
Well I do think people that commit acts like the Manchester bombing should be behind bars, but generally they kill themselves in the process.

But I do think what's happening is our own fault because of our policies in the Middle East.


Doubt if many would disagree too much with that. Our Middle East policy (if you can call it that) has always been a mess.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 4 2018, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 4 2018, 06:35 PM) *
Well I do think people that commit acts like the Manchester bombing should be behind bars, but generally they kill themselves in the process.

But I do think what's happening is our own fault because of our policies in the Middle East.

Yep. Thought so. Terrorist apologist. We did wrong. Blair and his cronies were just poodles. But 2 wrongs dont make a right. You almost excuse attrocities.Disappointing human being.

Posted by: Turin Machine Aug 4 2018, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 4 2018, 03:09 PM) *
It’s not jumping to conclusions to say that he broadcast contrary to a court order. It’s irrefutable. What remains to be seen is if he was harshly judged. Given his long history of criminal activity the sentence doesn’t seem disproportionate. But I’ve no idea what the sentencing guidelines are for what he did. As you say, we shall have to wait and see but I can’t deny being glad that such a disgusting person is behind bars.


nothing to with how he was judged, the judicial process was abused. everybody from your bearded child abuser upwards deserves a fair trial, its called due process, TR was denied his fair process. this was the basis of the appeal and subsequent freeing. the libs need to pay heed to the law.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 15 2018, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 4 2018, 08:42 PM) *
nothing to with how he was judged, the judicial process was abused. everybody from your bearded child abuser upwards deserves a fair trial, its called due process, TR was denied his fair process. this was the basis of the appeal and subsequent freeing. the libs need to pay heed to the law.

More John Smiths accused I see...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45193514



Posted by: x2lls Aug 15 2018, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 15 2018, 03:14 PM) *
More John Smiths accused I see...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45193514



Eric Smith from Burton on Trent has been removed from the what was never a headline. It was a side issue, now defunct.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 16 2018, 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 4 2018, 08:42 PM) *
nothing to with how he was judged, the judicial process was abused. everybody from your bearded child abuser upwards deserves a fair trial, its called due process, TR was denied his fair process. this was the basis of the appeal and subsequent freeing. the libs need to pay heed to the law.

While in the process or possibly jeopardising a fair trail.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 16 2018, 07:42 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 15 2018, 03:14 PM) *
More John Smiths accused I see...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45193514

Bit biased there TDH!
What about Catholic priests? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: On the edge Aug 16 2018, 08:00 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 16 2018, 08:42 AM) *
Bit biased there TDH!
What about Catholic priests? rolleyes.gif


I must admit, unpleasant it might be, but TDH is right to sign this up. The issue we face is that we've hidden our principles for far too long under a blanket of political correctness.

What about Catholic priests and the rest. BBC disc jockies, school teachers, Scout leaders, Football trainers, children's home workers, etc, etc? They all belonged to groupings who have wholly accepted the wrongs and are now at great pains to prevent a reoccurrence.

So, why are some groupings totally immune to censure or criticisim and indeed left even to support the deviants? Why, even when the evidence is overwhelming are Asylum, Muslim and Traveller/Gypsy groupings treated with such deference?

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 16 2018, 08:11 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 16 2018, 08:42 AM) *
Bit biased there TDH!
What about Catholic priests? rolleyes.gif


Just because they have Italian sounding names one must not assume they are card carrying catholics any more than members of the muslim brotherhood who congregate at the school gate are interested in anything more than traffic control.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 16 2018, 09:19 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 16 2018, 09:11 AM) *
Just because they have Italian sounding names one must not assume they are card carrying catholics any more than members of the muslim brotherhood who congregate at the school gate are interested in anything more than traffic control.

Very balanced and diverse view there Sir W. Well done!
P.S. I believe that the Pope IS catholic.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 16 2018, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 16 2018, 09:00 AM) *
I must admit, unpleasant it might be, but TDH is right to sign this up. The issue we face is that we've hidden our principles for far too long under a blanket of political correctness.

What about Catholic priests and the rest. BBC disc jockies, school teachers, Scout leaders, Football trainers, children's home workers, etc, etc? They all belonged to groupings who have wholly accepted the wrongs and are now at great pains to prevent a reoccurrence.

So, why are some groupings totally immune to censure or criticisim and indeed left even to support the deviants? Why, even when the evidence is overwhelming are Asylum, Muslim and Traveller/Gypsy groupings treated with such deference?

Quire right OTE but I think you may have missed the sarcasm in my reply! cool.gif

Posted by: gel Aug 16 2018, 10:51 AM

On & on it goes sad.gif

http://www.theweek.co.uk/95852/west-yorkshire-child-sex-ring-30-men-arrested-over-abuse

.....and another 30 males of "that community" charged in Huddersfield for depraved
crimes against young females/ trafficking.

Obviously known about in community but brushed under carpet.

One must assume in their countries of origin, this state of affairs is the status quo.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 16 2018, 03:09 PM

QUOTE (gel @ Aug 16 2018, 11:51 AM) *
On & on it goes sad.gif

http://www.theweek.co.uk/95852/west-yorkshire-child-sex-ring-30-men-arrested-over-abuse

.....and another 30 males of "that community" charged in Huddersfield for depraved
crimes against young females/ trafficking.

Obviously known about in community but brushed under carpet.

One must assume in their countries of origin, this state of affairs is the status quo.


And that is the point. If those who choose to live in the UK are allowed to do so whilst still encompassing the traditions of their homeland we can not be too outraged when they cross the line of acceptable decency. "*** in Roma facite quod vultis romanus est" as the toga wearers say, but our liberal pressure groups would rather we allowed a few child groomers to operate in the name of multiculturalism than to be accused of racism.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 16 2018, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 16 2018, 04:09 PM) *
And that is the point. If those who choose to live in the UK are allowed to do so whilst still encompassing the traditions of their homeland we can not be too outraged when they cross the line of acceptable decency. "*** in Roma facite quod vultis romanus est" as the toga wearers say, but our liberal pressure groups would rather we allowed a few child groomers to operate in the name of multiculturalism than to be accused of racism.


Obviously the censor has a degree in classics. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: newres Aug 16 2018, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 16 2018, 04:09 PM) *
And that is the point. If those who choose to live in the UK are allowed to do so whilst still encompassing the traditions of their homeland we can not be too outraged when they cross the line of acceptable decency. "*** in Roma facite quod vultis romanus est" as the toga wearers say, but our liberal pressure groups would rather we allowed a few child groomers to operate in the name of multiculturalism than to be accused of racism.

I suspect a healthy amount of incompetence was more to blame.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 16 2018, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 16 2018, 04:11 PM) *
I suspect a healthy amount of incompetence was more to blame.


No argument there, but like most crimes is it the fault of our police, or lack of them, or an increase in criminally minded citizens? We all know the difference between legal and unlawful, ( the sick bird of prey analogy is passé ), so ignorance of the law is no defence.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 16 2018, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 16 2018, 07:23 PM) *
No argument there, but like most crimes is it the fault of our police, or lack of them, or an increase in criminally minded citizens? We all know the difference between legal and unlawful, ( the sick bird of prey analogy is passé ), so ignorance of the law is no defence.

Quite. Newres will always find someone else to blame with a crime like this. It doesn't fit his "agenda"...

Posted by: x2lls Aug 16 2018, 08:58 PM

Today1:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44729727

Previously:-

https://www.facebook.com/thetommyrobinson/videos/283766432355616/


Anyone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a fraud, is indeed either a fraud, naive or simply one of simple Simon's simpler customers, quite simply.

Should have gone to SpecSavers.
Don't worry folks, we will not be changed, we have "Diversity barriers"

I feel sick to my stomach, I really do.

Posted by: x2lls Aug 17 2018, 05:52 PM

Will the "Press"(?) not get it?

Tommy yet again has destroyed them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrYfOHTsYg

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 17 2018, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 17 2018, 06:52 PM) *
Will the "Press"(?) not get it?

Tommy yet again has destroyed them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrYfOHTsYg

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Predominantly Muslim country in 20 years time?

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 18 2018, 08:09 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 17 2018, 11:21 PM) *
Predominantly Muslim country in 20 years time?


Maybe, maybe not, but I wouldn't bet against being a muslim world by the year 2200. There again I would be equally surprised that planet earth has survived that long.

Posted by: newres Aug 18 2018, 09:20 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 17 2018, 11:21 PM) *
Predominantly Muslim country in 20 years time?

There’s plenty of morons who believe it.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 18 2018, 09:23 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 18 2018, 09:09 AM) *
Maybe, maybe not, but I wouldn't bet against being a muslim world by the year 2200. There again I would be equally surprised that planet earth has survived that long.

It was the giveaway question from an insidious and dangerous man. That being said, there does seem to be a ‘black out’ in the media and it does seem due process wasn’t followed by his imprisonment.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 18 2018, 02:56 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 18 2018, 10:23 AM) *
It was the giveaway question from an insidious and dangerous man. That being said, there does seem to be a ‘black out’ in the media and it does seem due process wasn’t followed by his imprisonment.


Difficult to disagree with that; dangerous times we live in.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 18 2018, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 18 2018, 03:56 PM) *
Difficult to disagree with that; dangerous times we live in.

A lot of the danger is with social media. People surround themselves with people they agree with and block anyone who has a different view. This polarises opinions further and instead of debate you inevitably get violence. All people should be listened to, even if you disagree or find the opinions they have objectionable. If you don't you end up being brainwashed.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Aug 18 2018, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 18 2018, 10:23 AM) *
It was the giveaway question from an insidious and dangerous man. That being said, there does seem to be a ‘black out’ in the media and it does seem due process wasn’t followed by his imprisonment.

nothing is as dangerous as someone who speaks the truth. That's all he does.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Aug 18 2018, 07:17 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 18 2018, 07:09 PM) *
A lot of the danger is with social media. People surround themselves with people they agree with and block anyone who has a different view. This polarises opinions further and instead of debate you inevitably get violence. All people should be listened to, even if you disagree or find the opinions they have objectionable. If you don't you end up being brainwashed.

Not according to our local snot nosed, damp palmed liberal Newres.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 18 2018, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Aug 18 2018, 08:16 PM) *
nothing is as dangerous as someone who speaks the truth. That's all he does.

No it isn’t.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 18 2018, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 18 2018, 07:09 PM) *
A lot of the danger is with social media. People surround themselves with people they agree with and block anyone who has a different view. This polarises opinions further and instead of debate you inevitably get violence. All people should be listened to, even if you disagree or find the opinions they have objectionable. If you don't you end up being brainwashed.


To some extent, but not strictly true. For me, Tommy Robinson's message was drowned out by his previous unpleasant and violent antics. Indeed, in exactly the same way as Arthur Scargill's credibility was shot in exactly the same way.

The real issue is those who, for whatever reason, already accept these views and opinions, but do very little calmly and practically to feed into mainstream debate.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 18 2018, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Aug 18 2018, 08:17 PM) *
Not according to our local snot nosed, damp palmed liberal Newres.

It is about what we want out of life: stay in the middle ages or help to progress.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 18 2018, 10:01 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 18 2018, 10:20 AM) *
There’s plenty of morons who believe it.

I should imagine that those who do or would wish are mainly Muslim?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 18 2018, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 18 2018, 08:52 PM) *
To some extent, but not strictly true. For me, Tommy Robinson's message was drowned out by his previous unpleasant and violent antics. Indeed, in exactly the same way as Arthur Scargill's credibility was shot in exactly the same way.

The real issue is those who, for whatever reason, already accept these views and opinions, but do very little calmly and practically to feed into mainstream debate.


Debate is key. And is Corbyn an anti semite? Boris an Islamaphobe? No is the answer to both I expect but a lot of people that live in the goldfish bowl social media world probably think they are....

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 19 2018, 12:29 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 18 2018, 11:02 PM) *
Debate is key. And is Corbyn an anti semite? Boris an Islamaphobe? No is the answer to both I expect but a lot of people that live in the goldfish bowl social media world probably think they are....


It would appear that the populace at large are so attuned to the monosyllabic drivel of twitter and it's associated social media outlets they fail to listen/read past the first paragraph and thereby lose the gist of any subject presented in an open forum style. I have a completely different view of the world than I did 60 years ago but the problems are the same and the answers as oblique, so if we can all calmy disseminate our thoughts in a constructive manner without resorting to a blinkered diatribe then we may actually get to the 21st century before it runs out.

Posted by: newres Aug 19 2018, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 19 2018, 01:29 PM) *
It would appear that the populace at large are so attuned to the monosyllabic drivel of twitter and it's associated social media outlets they fail to listen/read past the first paragraph and thereby lose the gist of any subject presented in an open forum style. I have a completely different view of the world than I did 60 years ago but the problems are the same and the answers as oblique, so if we can all calmy disseminate our thoughts in a constructive manner without resorting to a blinkered diatribe then we may actually get to the 21st century before it runs out.

I reckon online at least, we’re beyond that. I think as well it tends to cause polarisation in debates. I expect if 1/2 dozen of the regulars on here got together to debate Brexit it would probably be interesting. That said you would have to exclude the Tommy nutter because in my opinion if you attend Tommy rallies and use terms like Antifa (shouldn’t we all be anti fascist?) as he would be an extremist.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 19 2018, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 19 2018, 05:25 PM) *
I reckon online at least, we’re beyond that. I think as well it tends to cause polarisation in debates. I expect if 1/2 dozen of the regulars on here got together to debate Brexit it would probably be interesting. That said you would have to exclude the Tommy nutter because in my opinion if you attend Tommy rallies and use terms like Antifa (shouldn’t we all be anti fascist?) as he would be an extremist.

Interesting. You use the word nutter about someone who openly expresses views and then you attempt to defend an organisation that cover faces and make death threats. You seem typical of the social media bubble that is causing such mistrust and hatred. Id be happy to meet fellow forum members. My guess is you would hide behind your social media platforms...


Posted by: newres Aug 19 2018, 04:40 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 19 2018, 05:33 PM) *
Interesting. You use the word nutter about someone who openly expresses views and then you attempt to defend an organisation that cover faces and make death threats. You seem typical of the social media bubble that is causing such mistrust and hatred. Id be happy to meet fellow forum members. My guess is you would hide behind your social media platforms...

Which organisation do I defend?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 19 2018, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 19 2018, 05:40 PM) *
Which organisation do I defend?

The inference you gave was that you were in support of antifa.

Posted by: newres Aug 19 2018, 06:13 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 19 2018, 06:31 PM) *
The inference you gave was that you were in support of antifa.

Is that an organisation? I thought it was just a collective noun that right wing nutters ascribed to those that oppose them and is short for anti fascist. Aren’t you anti fascist? Isn’t perhaps our greatest accomplishment as a country to help in defeating fascism? As a nation therefore aren’t we antifa(scist)?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 19 2018, 06:28 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 19 2018, 07:13 PM) *
Is that an organisation? I thought it was just a collective noun that right wing nutters ascribed to those that oppose them and is short for anti fascist. Aren’t you anti fascist? Isn’t perhaps our greatest accomplishment as a country to help in defeating fascism? As a nation therefore aren’t we antifa(scist)?

LOL..... You'll be telling me next the earth is flat. You really are out of touch with reality.

Posted by: newres Aug 19 2018, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 19 2018, 07:28 PM) *
LOL..... You'll be telling me next the earth is flat. You really are out of touch with reality.

You’ve lost me.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 19 2018, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 19 2018, 08:24 PM) *
You’ve lost me.

Its not difficult. Why not Google Antifa and News?

Posted by: newres Aug 19 2018, 07:44 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 19 2018, 08:35 PM) *
Its not difficult. Why not Google Antifa and News?

And?

http://www.leftvoice.org/The-Origins-of-Antifa

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 19 2018, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 19 2018, 08:44 PM) *
And?

http://www.leftvoice.org/The-Origins-of-Antifa


😂 "Leftvoice"...


Posted by: On the edge Aug 19 2018, 08:13 PM


I certainly agree that a debate, indeed any debate, would be interesting, but that's all, interesting.

Those of us at school since 1944 at least were taught that we live in a democracy. Many of us still believe that's true.

The sad reality is that we don't and actually never did. We used to live in an aristocracy which since 1979 has morphed into a plutocracy.

What we think or say makes no difference at all.

Posted by: x2lls Aug 19 2018, 09:57 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 18 2018, 10:23 AM) *
It was the giveaway question from an insidious and dangerous man. That being said, there does seem to be a ‘black out’ in the media and it does seem due process wasn’t followed by his imprisonment.



It was the giveaway question from an insidious and dangerous man.

Stated as a fact but in in fact, subjective. I disagree.


Posted by: Strafin Aug 19 2018, 10:24 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 17 2018, 11:21 PM) *
Predominantly Muslim country in 20 years time?

Wellof you don't like it you can always fuxk off!

Isn't that what we say to everyone else ?

Posted by: x2lls Aug 19 2018, 10:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 19 2018, 07:13 PM) *
Is that an organisation? I thought it was just a collective noun that right wing nutters ascribed to those that oppose them and is short for anti fascist. Aren’t you anti fascist? Isn’t perhaps our greatest accomplishment as a country to help in defeating fascism? As a nation therefore aren’t we antifa(scist)?



Error, we haven't defeated fascism. It is alive and well and living under the name anitfa.

Sorry to disappoint you, antifa are called as such by many groups of people, and justly so. Check out their antics in Berkley for but one example.
They are identified by many as domestic terrorists (You know, the REAL nutters!). But you already know that don't you?
On the highly unlikely chance you don't know the origins, then this is really are.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/

Just in case you decide to knock the link aside and ignore it, here is a snippet.

Quote
"Antifa has gained new prominence in the post-Obama era. They trace their roots back to Nazi Germany. Although they opposed the Sturmabteilung (SA), or Nazi storm troopers, like the SA they also used violence to intimidate political opponents and break up their meetings and rallies."

There fixed it for you.





Posted by: x2lls Aug 19 2018, 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 19 2018, 11:24 PM) *
Well if you don't like it you can always fuxk off!

Isn't that what we say to everyone else ?


Yes, and why not if someone comes to your own homeland and starts to tell you you have to change.


I think you missed first in last out.
wink.gif

Posted by: On the edge Aug 20 2018, 06:13 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 17 2018, 11:21 PM) *
Predominantly Muslim country in 20 years time?


Hard to dispute that, so it's worth considering exactly what that means; in terms of everyday life. Like it or not, our present governance, legal system and ethical outlook are all based on Christianity - 'by law established'. So, things will be different and one of the first differences will be that tolerance of other views and creeds won't be tolerated at all.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 20 2018, 09:13 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 19 2018, 05:25 PM) *
(shouldn’t we all be anti fascist?)

Yes we should, but the definition of fascism varies depending on the views and perception of the perceiver.

Posted by: newres Aug 20 2018, 11:20 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 20 2018, 10:13 AM) *
Yes we should, but the definition of fascism varies depending on the views and perception of the perceiver.

Well if one group defines there enemy as Antifa(scist) doesn't that self define themselves as fascist?

Posted by: James_Trinder Aug 20 2018, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 19 2018, 05:25 PM) *
I expect if 1/2 dozen of the regulars on here got together to debate Brexit it would probably be interesting.


It was great fun the last few times that we met up at the pub. I would personally be well up for doing that again.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 20 2018, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Aug 20 2018, 12:27 PM) *
It was great fun the last few times that we met up at the pub. I would personally be well up for doing that again.


Why is it always at a pub? Those of us who do not drink,(?), would be at a distinct disadvantage to the well oiled.

Posted by: newres Aug 20 2018, 04:11 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 20 2018, 04:56 PM) *
Why is it always at a pub? Those of us who do not drink,(?), would be at a distinct disadvantage to the well oiled.

I don’t drink either but you don’t have to drink at a pub. I have a feeling one or two on here have “issues” with alcohol though. laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 20 2018, 06:13 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 20 2018, 05:11 PM) *
I don’t drink either but you don’t have to drink at a pub. I have a feeling one or two on here have “issues” with alcohol though. laugh.gif

Whereas you must be on 🐵 dust.😂🍺

Posted by: James_Trinder Aug 21 2018, 11:43 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 20 2018, 04:56 PM) *
Why is it always at a pub? Those of us who do not drink,(?), would be at a distinct disadvantage to the well oiled.


Mainly because pubs are the only social meeting places that are free to use and open on weekday evenings when most people are available. A coffee shop would be just as suitable but does not satisfy the weekday evenings requirement.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 21 2018, 02:10 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Aug 21 2018, 12:43 PM) *
Mainly because pubs are the only social meeting places that are free to use and open on weekday evenings when most people are available. A coffee shop would be just as suitable but does not satisfy the weekday evenings requirement.


Ok I will accept that. All we need to do is get it organised. If this forum is anything to go by it will end in tears anyway. See the headlines now, "neo natzis clash with ultra left over brexit".
I will bring my own pickaxe handle. cool.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 21 2018, 04:44 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 21 2018, 03:10 PM) *
Ok I will accept that. All we need to do is get it organised. If this forum is anything to go by it will end in tears anyway. See the headlines now, "neo natzis clash with ultra left over brexit".
I will bring my own pickaxe handle. cool.gif

I'll be representing antifa and wear a mask and carry CS gas. I can show newres how peaceful I am.😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 21 2018, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 21 2018, 05:44 PM) *
I'll be representing antifa and wear a mask and carry CS gas. I can show newres how peaceful I am.😂


That's the right approach old chap, show those who have a differing view that you are not only open to dialogue but are prepared to place a comforting arm round their shoulder and ..........punch their lights out. wink.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 21 2018, 06:34 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 21 2018, 07:05 PM) *
That's the right approach old chap, show those who have a differing view that you are not only open to dialogue but are prepared to place a comforting arm round their shoulder and ..........punch their lights out. wink.gif

What time an where? Hign Noon Sunday at the Clocktower?🔫 😂

Posted by: newres Aug 22 2018, 05:15 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 21 2018, 07:34 PM) *
What time an where? Hign Noon Sunday at the Clocktower?🔫 😂

You should be easy to recognise in your Microsoft t shirt and jackboots.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 22 2018, 05:22 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 22 2018, 06:15 AM) *
You should be easy to recognise in your Microsoft t shirt and jackboots.

Yep. Thats me! For you my friend ze war is over. 😂

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 22 2018, 07:36 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 21 2018, 07:34 PM) *
What time an where? Hign Noon Sunday at the Clocktower?🔫 😂

The Clocktower?........................classy!! tongue.gif

Posted by: x2lls Aug 22 2018, 11:01 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 21 2018, 03:10 PM) *
Ok I will accept that. All we need to do is get it organised. If this forum is anything to go by it will end in tears anyway. See the headlines now, "neo natzis clash with ultra left over brexit".
I will bring my own pickaxe handle. cool.gif



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Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 22 2018, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 22 2018, 12:01 PM) *
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You have met already! Didn't think fit to invite me then? Next time I will go on my own and play with myself. ??? huh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Aug 22 2018, 04:12 PM

https://imgflip.com/i/2gcv9ehttps://imgflip.com/memegenerator

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 22 2018, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Aug 22 2018, 05:12 PM) *
https://imgflip.com/i/2gcv9ehttps://imgflip.com/memegenerator


Can I bring my pet along? He likes nothing better than a cuddle with strangers.

<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RKw0d_WhYcw/Tk_qBGKenxI/AAAAAAAAA_4/ZpkKqq_f8Gs/s640/honey+badger.jpg" alt="Image result for honey badger facts"/>

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 22 2018, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 22 2018, 07:20 PM) *
Can I bring my pet along? He likes nothing better than a cuddle with strangers.

<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RKw0d_WhYcw/Tk_qBGKenxI/AAAAAAAAA_4/ZpkKqq_f8Gs/s640/honey+badger.jpg" alt="Image result for honey badger facts"/>


Sorry, tried to upload a pic of my new pet Honey Badger but it seems to be camera shy. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: x2lls Aug 22 2018, 08:29 PM

Sigh,

Brought blink.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Aug 22 2018, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 22 2018, 09:29 PM) *
Sigh,

Brought blink.gif


Oh Rly! and you think newres would have any friends at all if cold hard cash wasn't involved? Huh? tongue.gif

Posted by: x2lls Aug 23 2018, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Aug 22 2018, 10:18 PM) *
Oh Rly! and you think newres would have any friends at all if cold hard cash wasn't involved? Huh? tongue.gif



lol

Posted by: newres Aug 23 2018, 01:23 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 23 2018, 11:02 AM) *
lol

Thanks for quoting him and demonstrating why I block his posts. Tedium central rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 23 2018, 03:06 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 23 2018, 02:23 PM) *
Thanks for quoting him and demonstrating why I block his posts. Tedium central rolleyes.gif


You block people on the newbury today forum.... Dear god... How sad...😂 you've blocked 20 percent of the posts!!!

Posted by: Strafin Aug 23 2018, 03:28 PM

I blocked someone once, that bloke who worked for the council. Can't remember his name but when I did it nothing else made sense and I was just curious all the time as to what he had put!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Aug 23 2018, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 23 2018, 04:28 PM) *
I blocked someone once, that bloke who worked for the council. Can't remember his name but when I did it nothing else made sense and I was just curious all the time as to what he had put!

Probably user 23 or whatever it was. Its also pointless because as Dweeb sais, people just repeat the post so it becomes pointless.

Posted by: newres Aug 23 2018, 05:55 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 23 2018, 04:06 PM) *
You block people on the newbury today forum.... Dear god... How sad...😂 you've blocked 20 percent of the posts!!!

Good point. laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 23 2018, 08:20 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Aug 23 2018, 06:55 PM) *
Good point. laugh.gif

Dont block people. I have never blocked a single person. And if they are dodgy you can keep an eye on what they are up to. Blocking people makes you less aware. And gives you less of an idea of public opinion. If you fill your social media with like minded people and block those you disagree with then you are not seeing the whole picture. Watson, Lammy, Allen, Linekar, Owen, Hoey, Abbott, Farage, Hopkins, Trump, etc etc.. I often amuse myself with the various rants and bigotry of both right and left wing that pour out of their platforms.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 24 2018, 05:22 PM

I have unfollowed friends on FB before now because I hated to see how daft and bigoted they are. There’s no one worth blocking here, it’s quite a friendly forum.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Aug 24 2018, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 24 2018, 06:22 PM) *
I have unfollowed friends on FB before now because I hated to see how daft and bigoted they are. There’s no one worth blocking here, it’s quite a friendly forum.

ph34r.gif cool.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 24 2018, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Aug 24 2018, 06:40 PM) *
ph34r.gif cool.gif laugh.gif

In the main its good to disagree and express your view. Its absolutely necessary. Thats why although I disagree with newres and have "bants" I do like that he sticks to his view, even if I find I don't like it!😂

Posted by: x2lls Aug 24 2018, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 24 2018, 09:44 PM) *
In the main its good to disagree and express your view. Its absolutely necessary. Thats why although I disagree with newres and have "bants" I do like that he sticks to his view, even if I find I don't like it!😂



I agree.

Posted by: x2lls Aug 24 2018, 09:28 PM

So why is the right Honorable (Horrible) being subscribed to world public accusations of sexual offence in public prior to charge?

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 25 2018, 08:11 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 24 2018, 10:28 PM) *
So why is the right Honorable (Horrible) being subscribed to world public accusations of sexual offence in public prior to charge?


Because we have this strange idea that anyone who indulges in activities sexual must be the devil incarnate and therefore deserving of being pilloried. We are all here by virtue of our parents behaving in a manner best not considered, yet we delight in exposing those in "high" places as if they should follow the lifestyle of a catholic priest..............Sorry, a very poor analogy. rolleyes.gif

I'm afraid the genie is out of the bottle when it comes to anonymity before being charged but it is certainly a worrying development as anyone of us could find ourselves in a similar position, irrespective of guilt or innocence.

Posted by: x2lls Aug 25 2018, 03:25 PM

What he said. Double bubble social rules.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 3 2018, 08:08 PM

Sky News, lying swine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=tyS45IaqLfw

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 3 2018, 09:30 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 3 2018, 09:08 PM) *
Sky News, lying swine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=tyS45IaqLfw

It does not matter what he says. His speech will always be skewed to fill the racist profile.

Its the same with Trump (idiot and sexist racist) and Corbyn (communist and economic eejit).

Its the 🌎 we live in. And not a very nice one.

Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 4 2018, 12:24 AM

Just more snot nosed lefty liberal lies to please the dumb masses while they plunge headlong into the chaos that will be the UK.

Posted by: newres Oct 4 2018, 04:32 AM

Nutters.

Posted by: Strafin Oct 4 2018, 08:28 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 3 2018, 09:08 PM) *
Sky News, lying swine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=tyS45IaqLfw

It's interesting that you believe this guy unequivocally, and the other propaganda machines that suit your agenda, and also assume that any news that doesn't support your position is made up. It would be a bit convenient wouldn't it? If the world was that simple?

Posted by: newres Oct 4 2018, 08:42 AM

I really can’t see the problem there.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 4 2018, 11:19 AM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 4 2018, 09:28 AM) *
It's interesting that you believe this guy unequivocally, and the other propaganda machines that suit your agenda, and also assume that any news that doesn't support your position is made up. It would be a bit convenient wouldn't it? If the world was that simple?


How interesting?
Yes, I do, and I make no apology for it, so please, don't give it the accusational perspective.
This news report was a blatant attempt to convey a pack of edited/spliced/omitted, out of context BS upon the gullible.

My post was to highlight by example the MSM underhand tactics to sway opinion by what ever means available.

They got called out, THAT should be a concern. If they produce such rubbish like this then they do not deserve the position they are in.


Posted by: x2lls Oct 4 2018, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 4 2018, 09:42 AM) *
I really can’t see the problem there.



What problem are you referring to?

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