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post Dec 26 2014, 10:33 PM
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Quite agree. In both cases, it simply demonstrates a lack of respect. It's also rather ironic that the 'hunters' are generally supposed to be our betters - those that exoect us to keep the law......I was going to say and not try to bend them, but, of course, that's just what they do with their taxes. Yep, there ain't no truce in the class war!


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post Dec 27 2014, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 26 2014, 06:55 PM) *
Good argument AC!! rolleyes.gif
Better no press than ones promoting the return of banned bloodsports.

That's a 'free' society for you, but I draw the line at people who do exactly that which they complain of and Simon is one of those.

Also, perhaps if more free-loaders were prepared to patronise their local paper there would be other groups of people that they would hope to attract.
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post Dec 27 2014, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 27 2014, 11:31 AM) *
Also, perhaps if more free-loaders were prepared to patronise their local paper there would be other groups of people that they would hope to attract.

What exactly do you define as a free-loader? I don't buy the local paper, nor do I buy any other newspaper (I do indulge in one magazine - the Radio Times). I don't rely on any newspaper or its web sites to get my news and I like to think I am pretty much abreast of current affairs. So, what am I?
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post Dec 27 2014, 01:27 PM
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You are actually patronising the local paper every time you go onto the web site. It's the advertisers wot pay. I take the Metro and the Evening Standard hard copy once a week when I go to town, they seem to think I patronise their paper too. The only party loosing out is the Newsagent.


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post Dec 27 2014, 04:31 PM
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Advertisers only pay if they think there is traffic (readers/viewers).


At the end of the day, the NWN is entitled to promote its own articles to its potential audience. Notwithstanding drag hunting is not a blood sport.
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post Dec 27 2014, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 27 2014, 05:31 PM) *
At the end of the day, the NWN is entitled to promote its own articles to its potential audience.

Absolutely, but we, as the potential buying public, also have the choice not to buy if we dislike that promotion.
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Notwithstanding drag hunting is not a blood sport.

But the campaign, which the NWN has in the past promoted in it's articles on the matter, is to have the hunting with dogs bloodsports re-introduced.
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post Dec 27 2014, 10:08 PM
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NWN can publish what it likes and its advertisers can choose if they wish to pay for adverts and we can choose to look at the online service. If we don't, the advertisers won't want to pay and NWN won't have a business.

So, in essence, all Simon is doing is giving feedback. NWN can look at the result and decide which way to go...their choice!

We can respond with our own views - market forces in action; customer is King. Make no mistake, you are still 'paying' even if only with your time having a look.



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post Dec 28 2014, 01:16 AM
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That's fine but I can spot a lie when I read one and I now have doubt in the integrity of the complainant.
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post Dec 28 2014, 01:18 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 27 2014, 06:08 PM) *
Absolutely, but we, as the potential buying public, also have the choice not to buy if we dislike that promotion.

But the campaign, which the NWN has in the past promoted in it's articles on the matter, is to have the hunting with dogs bloodsports re-introduced.

The head line and the story have nothing in common. More propaganda in my view. If the welfare of animals were of any concern I'd have thought a drag hunt would be something to celebrate! What I resent is Simon's apparent attempt to bully the NWN from going about it's legal business.

I don't support recreational hunting in any form. If I wanted to post a thread it would read: 2014 Vine and Craven Drag Hunt: Another year free from barbarism!

It is not Simon's sentiment I disagree with, it is the method.
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post Dec 28 2014, 07:37 AM
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Which if you had, using those words, would have given even more support to the propaganda view, simply by using (in this context) emotive words.


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post Dec 28 2014, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 28 2014, 07:37 AM) *
Which if you had, using those words, would have given even more support to the propaganda view, simply by using (in this context) emotive words.

You seem to have missed my point. Notwithstanding that most anti-hunt people believe fox hunting is barbarism.
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post Dec 28 2014, 10:52 AM
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If NWN published details of a burglary, would you say they were supporting crime, or just reporting it?
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post Dec 28 2014, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 28 2014, 11:52 AM) *
If NWN published details of a burglary, would you say they were supporting crime, or just reporting it?

Depends on whether they were glorifying or supporting it in some way.
If the NWN just published details of the event just as a "drag hunt" (yeah right) then fine.
Lets see how it appears in the next NWN shall we?
(I shall have to wait a bit (up to a week) longer along with other "tight wads" until it appears on here tongue.gif .)
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post Dec 28 2014, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 28 2014, 10:52 AM) *
If NWN published details of a burglary, would you say they were supporting crime, or just reporting it?

Like Biker says.

The NWN don't just report on this "traditional" blood sport, they promote it through deliberate editorial bias, and the positive presentation of this repugnant blood sport keeps alive the possibility of a repeal of the ban.


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post Dec 28 2014, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 28 2014, 05:59 PM) *
Like Biker says.

The NWN don't just report on this "traditional" blood sport, they promote it through deliberate editorial bias, and the positive presentation of this repugnant blood sport keeps alive the possibility of a repeal of the ban.

I usually put the word "sport" in inverted commas because it isn't is it?? rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 28 2014, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 28 2014, 04:01 PM) *
Depends on whether they were glorifying or supporting it in some way.
Well this just seems to be four sentences of the facts:

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2014/lambour...nt-today-friday

and the only thing it's promoting is the NWN at the end, so I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about.
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post Dec 28 2014, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 28 2014, 10:37 AM) *
You seem to have missed my point. Notwithstanding that most anti-hunt people believe fox hunting is barbarism.

This is drag hunting so the fox has to wear a dress as well. Even worse.
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post Dec 28 2014, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 28 2014, 04:59 PM) *
Like Biker says.

The NWN don't just report on this "traditional" blood sport, they promote it through deliberate editorial bias, and the positive presentation of this repugnant blood sport keeps alive the possibility of a repeal of the ban.

Are there any other lies you have propagated on this forum? I trust you as much as a NTC councillor.
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post Dec 28 2014, 08:40 PM
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As a self confessed townie, I don't mind admitting I'm against blood sports. However, as its circulation area is quite rural, I'm not surprised that a local paper should support it. There is still a pretty strong rural pro lobby but I don't think expressing an opinion can be construed as telling lies.
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post Dec 28 2014, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 28 2014, 06:24 PM) *
Well this just seems to be four sentences of the facts:

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2014/lambour...nt-today-friday

and the only thing it's promoting is the NWN at the end, so I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about.

Here's last year's User.
Analyse that!
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