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[Thetruth]

A month or three ago i was waiting for a train at hungerford trainstation around 10pm going to newbury.

A 15 year old boy was on his bike also waiting for the train on the platform, this was just following the "hungerford v newbury riot"

The boy was not doing anything wrong, and the rail police from reading pulled up to a screeching hault and approached him and said "Right we need to search you after what happened the other day, we are searching anyone seen waiting for a late train at night etc etc"

They proceeded to search the boy and found nothing on him and told him to clear off away from the trainstation, he replied he lived in newbury and needed to catch this train or he'd be stuck.

Then one of the police officers who had a bit of an attitude problem (was really cocky and loving his power as an officer of the law, being the big man, being cocky, makind snide remarks and thinking he was the mutts) said to the 3 other officers "Look boys hes off his face hes obviously been smokin summin" and told him to clear off again.

he replied "I need to catch this train"

The cocky officer Grabbed the boy up and got in his face and shouted "you want to **** off now before we nick ya" and threw him towards the opposite direction of the platform with force and the boy had no choice but to ride off.

I then got searched And i was found to have nothing on me and was left to go on my way home.

What is wrong with some officers? just because they have been assigned to uphold the law does that really mean they have immunity against said law?

Ive met my fair share of nice, fair police officers, for example, the pcso officers in hungerford and newbury and ive met some right idiots who are obsessed with their power and think they can get away with using it against people to have a bit of fun or to be a complete **** just for the sake of it, or to keep their arrest rates up.

I seriously think some officers need reviewing and action taken as ive seen this happen on more than one occasion.

What are everyone elses views on the police from around this area?? i do agree that around 50% of the police round here are spot on and take action where necessary but i seriously think that should be 100%... as if thats ever going to happen.

[GMR]

This is typical of the police nowadays. I've seen kids stopped in the street and searched. Now, I am not against the police doing strip searches if they feel justified but I've never seen a strip search bear fruit. According to a police officer I know strip searching - most of the time - doesn't yield anything.

[On the edge]

Simply report it and keep on until you get a satisfactory response. One word of advice, keep strictly to the facts and don't be tempted to colour what you've said with any emotion. Keep icy cool. Do it like that and you will be heard and something will get done, even if it takes some time. However, and this is why you need to keep totally calm and cool, the 'powers that be' are generally scared witless when what seem like rational human beings push complaints. You must report this for the sake of the community - in any profession there are poor performers, inadequates and individuals who simply can't be trusted with the public. Unless they are weeded out, their effect contaminates the rest.

[GMR]

Simply report it and keep on until you get a satisfactory response. One word of advice, keep strictly to the facts and don't be tempted to colour what you've said with any emotion. Keep icy cool. Do it like that and you will be heard and something will get done, even if it takes some time. However, and this is why you need to keep totally calm and cool, the 'powers that be' are generally scared witless when what seem like rational human beings push complaints. You must report this for the sake of the community - in any profession there are poor performers, inadequates and individuals who simply can't be trusted with the public. Unless they are weeded out, their effect contaminates the rest.

I agree, and i always do.

[Iommi]

A disturbing story that, if true, should be an inspiration for something to be done. A situation like this breeds resentment. This is something that has gone on for a very long time. Newbury once had a notorious Police 'guvnor'. Ironically, some would say that the streets of Newbury have become worse since he 'retired'.

[Strafin]

I've seen it happen many times, and I think it's a problem deep within TVP's selection process. Remember the secret policeman TV show? I reckon the issues that program raised are probably more widespread than just Manchester.

[On the edge]

I agree, and i always do.

Very glad to hear it – that’s what is meant by being public spirited. With the gradual erosion of democratic control at local level, we are increasingly being governed by self styled experts and petty officials responsible to a paid executive. Without for one moment wishing to see servility, they need to be reminded that they are public servants – and there to serve.

[Anon2]

This is typical of the police nowadays. I've seen kids stopped in the street and searched. Now, I am not against the police doing strip searches if they feel justified but I've never seen a strip search bear fruit. According to a police officer I know strip searching - most of the time - doesn't yield anything.

I particularly like this quote - Thankfully it appears that the police are yet again doing what they are supposed to do and performing their duties (stop and search being one of these duties). However it appears that they are yet again being criticised for doing so, which way do you want it????? If you have a better way of performing these duties and exercising these powers, then please let the police know. I doubt that is the case though. In the eyes of some (fuelled by the media) Stop and search has become a controversial power. It is actually an excellent and efficient weapon in the police arsenal for dealing with potential crime and disorder and for dealing with crime that has occurred (robberies etc).

I also have to ask how many strip searches have you seen?? These are always performed out of the public gaze and almost always in a cell at the police station. If such a search does not yield anything then so be it but the suspicion to use this power would have been justified by the officer/s concerned. If this is deemed wrong then a formal complaint can be made.

When you mention 'kids', what age range are you referring to? Bearing in mind that weapons, drugs and stolen goods or equipment to carry out crime can be carried by any age these days......

[Iommi]

Anon2, I support stop and search, but that isn't the point in this thread. It is the way the boy was allegedly treated that is the issue. You never see this sort of behaviour from the police on 'reality' police shows, even with the criminals.

[Strafin]

And they don't swear with the cameras on them either.

[Anon2]

Anon2, I support stop and search, but that isn't the point in this thread. It is the way the boy was allegedly treated that is the issue. You never see this sort of behaviour from the police on 'reality' police shows, even with the criminals.

I am aware this isn't how the thread started and that's why I quoted the remarks made in my post above my reply to that particular quote.

However getting back to the thread topic itself, none of us will ever be able to say exactly how this incident went from start to finish. It appears from what was written that the 15 yr old was most polite and did not provoke the officers in any way. Then I find the reported behaviour disgusting and those responsible should be brought to book. But I do have to ask why was this not reported as a complaint to the police at the time of the incident, why wait until some months after the event? And I do find it difficult to believe that the whole conversation was overheard without any phrases or words being missed, difficult to do at the best of times.....

Also I do not know the age of 'the truth' but I do know that the people police were searching with reference to the Newbury v Hungerford incidents were from a specific age group and, unless 'the truth' is of this age group or warranted a search for other reasons then he would not have been searched......

[On the edge]

Best reality Police programme I saw was one where a Policewoman moved on a studen in Guildford Town Centre and got a bit of lip for her trouble. So after answering the lad back, he was hauled off and charged. Next day he got a small fine for his trouble. Then, a middle aged Policeman on Paddington Station, dealing with a well pi**ed banker and his mates. He'd just sorted a pretty nasty incident elsewhere, and was now getting another lot of verbals and threats. He never raised his voice, said what he would do and did it. That including laying the lad on the floor and keeping him there. Situation was far far worse than in Guildford. He was then taken down to the station. Next morning his Dad was asked to collect him - they both got a good dressing down and sent on their way. Who got it right?

[Chesapeake]

Best reality Police programme I saw was one where a Policewoman moved on a studen in Guildford Town Centre and got a bit of lip for her trouble. So after answering the lad back, he was hauled off and charged. Next day he got a small fine for his trouble. Then, a middle aged Policeman on Paddington Station, dealing with a well pi**ed banker and his mates. He'd just sorted a pretty nasty incident elsewhere, and was now getting another lot of verbals and threats. He never raised his voice, said what he would do and did it. That including laying the lad on the floor and keeping him there. Situation was far far worse than in Guildford. He was then taken down to the station. Next morning his Dad was asked to collect him - they both got a good dressing down and sent on their way. Who got it right?

Sorry OTE it could be me being a little thick but I don't understand what you are saying? What is your point on this thread?

[lordtup]

One of the problems is that the police read the histrionics of the tabloid press and , like the rest of us , view the young as drug fueled yobs who are up to no good unless proven otherwise.

Another is the lack of beat duty that used to impart the ability to tell good from bad.

This is not an excuse for their diabolical behavior , more an insight into the country of the future where policing will be done by camera and "rapid response" units who move in , do , and move out ............Unless of course you have a burglar in your bedroom with a knife ,then you are on your own.

[Iommi]

Anon2, I realise that this is just an allegation. If things like this happen, I'd like to think that the police, police themselves, so to speak. Like with everything in society, a few tar the rest.

[Chesapeake]

One of the problems is that the police read the histrionics of the tabloid press and , like the rest of us , view the young as drug fueled yobs who are up to no good unless proven otherwise.

Another is the lack of beat duty that used to impart the ability to tell good from bad.

I cannot believe that you think that the Police read the "Tabloids" and believe what they read over the situations that they deal with every hour of their day. they know who the real miscreants are in our little local society and deal with them appropriately. Who's to say that they didn't already know the "15yr old" and felt that he might cause a problem. However if they way that this situation was dealt with was truely bad then it should have been reported and dealt with, not left to fester with no real evidence available! Shame people still watch, leave it to stew and go stale then whinge about it without having ever done anything constructive!

As I have said on a previous post the majority of "beat duty" is done by the PCSO's these days. They support and backup the regular Police Service.

[Anon2]

Anon2, I realise that this is just an allegation. If things like this happen, I'd like to think that the police, police themselves, so to speak. Like with everything in society, a few tar the rest.

I am sure that they do police themselves and the vast majority of officers would not stand for that behaviour being shown by one of their colleagues. The Police also have a very effective system to deal with any complaints which are brought to their attention by officers and/or the public. But it does need someone to make the complaint in the first place

[Biker1]

They proceeded to search the boy and found nothing on him and told him to clear off away from the trainstation, he replied he lived in newbury and needed to catch this train or he'd be stuck.



he replied "I need to catch this train"

Did he have a ticket?

If not then he had no right to be there?

[On the edge]

Sorry OTE it could be me being a little thick but I don't understand what you are saying? What is your point on this thread?

Sorry written too quickly. Was trying to say WPC in Guildford with the 'I'll get you' attitude has turned some yongster against the Police for the rest of his life. Whereas the old 'I'm just here to keep the peace' Copper in Central London has probably got a couple of people on side and appreciative. Not saying either didn't do the job, but the one with the better attitude secured a far better result

[Chesapeake]

Sorry written too quickly. Was trying to say WPC in Guildford with the 'I'll get you' attitude has turned some yongster against the Police for the rest of his life. Whereas the old 'I'm just here to keep the peace' Copper in Central London has probably got a couple of people on side and appreciative. Not saying either didn't do the job, but the one with the better attitude secured a far better result

Couldn't agree more.

Perhaps they should have one of those training videos starring John Cleese showing the right way and the wrong way of dealing with the baddies.

[Rose8]

I wonder what these officers looked like ?? :-)

Police dont you just love them! But are you SURE the boy didnt have an attitude, i mean come on he must have done something wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


** in case you don't realise i am being funny - re my post 'police stop / check' as the police were downright rude and unprofessional to us also !!!! **

[Rose8]

I particularly like this quote - Thankfully it appears that the police are yet again doing what they are supposed to do and performing their duties (stop and search being one of these duties). However it appears that they are yet again being criticised for doing so, which way do you want it????? If you have a better way of performing these duties and exercising these powers, then please let the police know. I doubt that is the case though. In the eyes of some (fuelled by the media) Stop and search has become a controversial power. It is actually an excellent and efficient weapon in the police arsenal for dealing with potential crime and disorder and for dealing with crime that has occurred (robberies etc).

I also have to ask how many strip searches have you seen?? These are always performed out of the public gaze and almost always in a cell at the police station. If such a search does not yield anything then so be it but the suspicion to use this power would have been justified by the officer/s concerned. If this is deemed wrong then a formal complaint can be made.

When you mention 'kids', what age range are you referring to? Bearing in mind that weapons, drugs and stolen goods or equipment to carry out crime can be carried by any age these days......

Anon / ossy etc etc you CANT agree with the way this was carried out, crikey !!!!!!!!!! Admit it, some officers are just total ..... you fill the blanks !!! And NO i am not being NICE.

[Anon2]

Anon / ossy etc etc you CANT agree with the way this was carried out, crikey !!!!!!!!!! Admit it, some officers are just total ..... you fill the blanks !!! And NO i am not being NICE.

As I have already mentioned, if this was carried out as reported then I do not agree with it at all. However, I have also said that this may well not be the whole story as my experience tells me that people will tell a tale and leave out, whether intentional or not, certain details which will change the face of the incident completely. Therefore, I reserve judgement on this particular allegation.

Also, I know it's called 'Random Rants' but once again, I must put it to you, are you sure that the ranting attitude that you portray on topics relating to the Police didn't come through on your stop/check?......

[Rose8]

As I have already mentioned, if this was carried out as reported then I do not agree with it at all. However, I have also said that this may well not be the whole story as my experience tells me that people will tell a tale and leave out, whether intentional or not, certain details which will change the face of the incident completely. Therefore, I reserve judgement on this particular allegation.

Also, I know it's called 'Random Rants' but once again, I must put it to you, are you sure that the ranting attitude that you portray on topics relating to the Police didn't come through on your stop/check?......

I am 100% SURE it didnt come through on our stop check YES !!! As i DIDN'T have an attitude, do you not understand me or something??!! Will you just quit harping on about my so called attitude now, its boring.

And why would the person stood on the train station, with presumably nothing to do with the 'lad in question' 'leave out bits or 'not tell the whole story ' ?? Why do you feel the people on here, when talking about the police, have problems telling the whole story exactly?! You cant / wont accept that actually the police aren't ALL squeaky clean and that actually the 'average joe on the street' MAY ACTUALLY be accurate in their description of events!

[ossy1]

I've seen it happen many times, and I think it's a problem deep within TVP's selection process. Remember the secret policeman TV show? I reckon the issues that program raised are probably more widespread than just Manchester.

Read the article properly please....it says the railway police from Reading that would be BTP NOT TVP.....

As for the rest I think I remember being on duty at the time. There are two sides to the story and there was a reason police were called to the train station and people searched.

Rose8 I am not agreeing with anything or making comment on the action of the officers, I was not there and we have only got the word of the poster!!!!!!!

[ossy1]

This is typical of the police nowadays. I've seen kids stopped in the street and searched. Now, I am not against the police doing strip searches if they feel justified but I've never seen a strip search bear fruit. According to a police officer I know strip searching - most of the time - doesn't yield anything.

I doubt you have seen strip searches, they are always done at police stations and require the removal of ALL clothing, pleasant job!!!!

[Rose8]

I doubt you have seen strip searches, they are always done at police stations and require the removal of ALL clothing, pleasant job!!!!

ewwwww now THAT i dont envy the police on !!!!!!

[GMR]

Very glad to hear it – that’s what is meant by being public spirited. With the gradual erosion of democratic control at local level, we are increasingly being governed by self styled experts and petty officials responsible to a paid executive. Without for one moment wishing to see servility, they need to be reminded that they are public servants – and there to serve.

Exactly, but sadly not all of them believe it.

[GMR]

I particularly like this quote –

Brilliant... at least I’ve contributed something

Thankfully it appears that the police are yet again doing what they are supposed to do and performing their duties (stop and search being one of these duties). However it appears that they are yet again being criticised for doing so, which way do you want it????? If you have a better way of performing these duties and exercising these powers, then please let the police know. I doubt that is the case though. In the eyes of some (fuelled by the media) Stop and search has become a controversial power. It is actually an excellent and efficient weapon in the police arsenal for dealing with potential crime and disorder and for dealing with crime that has occurred (robberies etc).

Who was criticising? I only reported what I know. I have nothing against stop and search, other than the police should do it in a respectful manner.

I also have to ask how many strip searches have you seen?? These are always performed out of the public gaze and almost always in a cell at the police station. If such a search does not yield anything then so be it but the suspicion to use this power would have been justified by the officer/s concerned. If this is deemed wrong then a formal complaint can be made.

Maybe I should have said stop and search; what I meant by strip search was going through the pockets looking through their bags to see if they’ve got anything. On that bases; I am always cycling around Newbury so I see strip searches (sorry, stop and search) quite often.

When you mention 'kids', what age range are you referring to? Bearing in mind that weapons, drugs and stolen goods or equipment to carry out crime can be carried by any age these days......

Anything between 13 and 21.


I hope I've answered your question to your satisfaction? If not please come back at me.

[GMR]

I doubt you have seen strip searches, they are always done at police stations and require the removal of ALL clothing, pleasant job!!!!

I've already answered this one; see above. I also explained my definition of a strip search... which might be different to yours.

[Branston Pickle]

I wonder what the outcome would of been if the 15 yr old had made the police arrest him? If he could prove he was an innocent traveller, there is no way the police could charge him with anything. Unless of course the policeman was just making an empty threat.

[Chesapeake]

I wonder what the outcome would of been if the 15 yr old had made the police arrest him? If he could prove he was an innocent traveller, there is no way the police could charge him with anything. Unless of course the policeman was just making an empty threat.

If the 15yr old had made the Police arrest him then he would have done something to warrant an arrest. The Police have to have a reason for an arrest as it is not just a matter of "fed up with him let's nick him". There is loads of paperwork that goes with an arrest as the Police have so many guidlines to follow these days especially since the Stephen Lawrence enquiry and the McPherson Report. If they had made the arrest and then found that the 15yr old was innocent then they quite simply could "De-Arrest" him.

As most people don't want to be arrested and wear those uncomfortable handcuffs and be taken to a police station and have all their belongings taken away from them (temporarily) and be put into a cold nasty cell and have their parents called to the station.......just the threat is usually enough to make them comply.

[Sarah]

A month or three ago i was waiting for a train at hungerford trainstation around 10pm going to newbury.

A 15 year old boy was on his bike also waiting for the train on the platform, this was just following the "hungerford v newbury riot"

The boy was not doing anything wrong, and the rail police from reading pulled up to a screeching hault and approached him and said "Right we need to search you after what happened the other day, we are searching anyone seen waiting for a late train at night etc etc"

They proceeded to search the boy and found nothing on him and told him to clear off away from the trainstation, he replied he lived in newbury and needed to catch this train or he'd be stuck.

Then one of the police officers who had a bit of an attitude problem (was really cocky and loving his power as an officer of the law, being the big man, being cocky, makind snide remarks and thinking he was the mutts) said to the 3 other officers "Look boys hes off his face hes obviously been smokin summin" and told him to clear off again.

he replied "I need to catch this train"

The cocky officer Grabbed the boy up and got in his face and shouted "you want to **** off now before we nick ya" and threw him towards the opposite direction of the platform with force and the boy had no choice but to ride off.

I then got searched And i was found to have nothing on me and was left to go on my way home.

What is wrong with some officers? just because they have been assigned to uphold the law does that really mean they have immunity against said law?

Ive met my fair share of nice, fair police officers, for example, the pcso officers in hungerford and newbury and ive met some right idiots who are obsessed with their power and think they can get away with using it against people to have a bit of fun or to be a complete C*nt just for the sake of it, or to keep their arrest rates up.

I seriously think some officers need reviewing and action taken as ive seen this happen on more than one occasion.

What are everyone elses views on the police from around this area?? i do agree that around 50% of the police round here are spot on and take action where necessary but i seriously think that should be 100%... as if thats ever going to happen.

I'm sorry, but having read your skatepark topic, I have a problem believing a lot of this especially this part,

Then one of the police officers who had a bit of an attitude problem (was really cocky and loving his power as an officer of the law, being the big man, being cocky, makind snide remarks and thinking he was the mutts) said to the 3 other officers "Look boys hes off his face hes obviously been smokin summin" and told him to clear off again..

[Chesapeake]

I'm sorry, but having read your skatepark topic, I have a problem believing a lot of this especially this part,

Then one of the police officers who had a bit of an attitude problem (was really cocky and loving his power as an officer of the law, being the big man, being cocky, makind snide remarks and thinking he was the mutts) said to the 3 other officers "Look boys hes off his face hes obviously been smokin summin" and told him to clear off again..

Sarah, I congratulate you on your strength of character for saying exactly what all the more intelligent people on this forum were thinking but didn't have the guts to say (me included). He does sound a little off the wall doesn't he?

[Sarah]

Sarah, I congratulate you on your strength of character for saying exactly what all the more intelligent people on this forum were thinking but didn't have the guts to say (me included). He does sound a little off the wall doesn't he?

Definitely.

[Hugh Saskin]

Definitely.

I'm just amazed that the BTP (British Transport Police - or Be There, Perhaps as they are often known) had so many officers to send - and how do we know they came from Reading anyway? Thetruth may be what used to be described as an unreliable witness. Had I been a witness to anything like this, a letter to the Chief Constable, copied to God knows how many other people - including my MP, would have been on its way within a day or so, never mind waiting a 'month or three' to bring it into the public domain. Some people must think we came up on the down train....

[On the edge]

I've noticed on several local forums that when discussions get spirited, there is a tendancy to suggest that others who are disagree with your view point are less intelligent. Less smug maybe, but that isn't a measure of intelligence.

[Hugh Saskin]

I've noticed on several local forums that when discussions get spirited, there is a tendancy to suggest that others who are disagree with your view point are less intelligent. Less smug maybe, but that isn't a measure of intelligence.

You don't need to be intelligent to tell the truth - or do you?

[Sarah]

I'm just amazed that the BTP (British Transport Police - or Be There, Perhaps as they are often known) had so many officers to send - and how do we know they came from Reading anyway? Thetruth may be what used to be described as an unreliable witness. Had I been a witness to anything like this, a letter to the Chief Constable, copied to God knows how many other people - including my MP, would have been on its way within a day or so, never mind waiting a 'month or three' to bring it into the public domain. Some people must think we came up on the down train....

I have to admit the whole post didn't rest easy with me, same with the skateboard thread, I don't like debating points from a story I feel is grossly exaggerated to say the least. As you say, if his story was true he could have written a letter of complaint at the time, although if he'd been as explicit and offensive in a letter I doubt it would have carried a lot of weight.

[On the edge]

I have to admit the whole post didn't rest easy with me, same with the skateboard thread, I don't like debating points from a story I feel is grossly exaggerated to say the least. As you say, if his story was true he could have written a letter of complaint at the time, although if he'd been as explicit and offensive in a letter I doubt it would have carried a lot of weight.

That's exactly what some people have been trying to tell him. Please understand many people for many different reasons have trouble expressing themselves. Equally 'expanding the truth' isn't wholly uncommon by those who have somne claim to be our betters. Nothing wrong with telling someone you think they are being economic with the facts but not to insult their and others intelligence. That is just as offensive.

[JeffG]

I also explained my definition of a strip search... which might be different to yours.

And probably different to everybody else's.

[Sarah]

That's exactly what some people have been trying to tell him. Please understand many people for many different reasons have trouble expressing themselves. Equally 'expanding the truth' isn't wholly uncommon by those who have somne claim to be our betters. Nothing wrong with telling someone you think they are being economic with the facts but not to insult their and others intelligence. That is just as offensive.

Why are you having a go at me, I merely said, that in light of his post on the skatepark thread, I had a problem believing his story on this thread. How have I insulted anyones intelligence?

[On the edge]

Sarah, I congratulate you on your strength of character for saying exactly what all the more intelligent people on this forum were thinking but didn't have the guts to say (me included). He does sound a little off the wall doesn't he?

Not having a go at you personally, simply the continuance of this post, which appear to have coloured the subsequent responses.

[GMR]

And probably different to everybody else's.

True.... but is it always good to be the same? If I hadn't made such an error they'd never have picked it up and would probably have moved onto something else. At least I did my bit for Queen and country.

[Sarah]

Not having a go at you personally, simply the continuance of this post, which appear to have coloured the subsequent responses.

I can't see that it has, in fact probably less so than your post about spirited discussions. Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on this one and move on.

[Strafin]

Two quick things, 1, it's pointless complaining to the pigs, they look after their own and will never admit mistakes, let alone faults. Secondly if I am wrong I apologise but it looks to me like Ossy1 and Anon123, and anon2 are all the same person, why do you keep changing your persona? It seems to be a dishonest way of trying to back yourself up and falsely claim that your points are more valid than they actually are.

[GMR]

Two quick things, 1, it's pointless complaining to the pigs, they look after their own and will never admit mistakes, let alone faults. Secondly if I am wrong I apologise but it looks to me like Ossy1 and Anon123, and anon2 are all the same person, why do you keep changing your persona? It seems to be a dishonest way of trying to back yourself up and falsely claim that your points are more valid than they actually are.

To be honest we don't even know if they are actual policemen/ women. They just might be fans of the Bill. They might even daydream of being policemen/ women and being on here it gives them the perfect opportunity to act out their fantasies... Or they could be pretending to be police people, but are in fact MFI (sorry, MI5) agents infiltrating themselves onto this site as ordinary Bobbies............. or they've escaped from a secure wing of one of the most famous institutions in the world: Parliament and want to observe how their subjects behaved after the recent Parliamentary cash for fiddles scandal... then again they could be who they pretend to be.

[Chesapeake]

Not having a go at you personally, simply the continuance of this post, which appear to have coloured the subsequent responses.

It seems that you are not having a go at Sarah personally but at Sarah and I personally. I was merely congratulating Sarah for saying what I felt many people were thinking. If you read my post again you will see that it's not Thetruth's intelligence that I refer to but the intelligence of other posters on this site. Someone who can remember so much detail several months later surely can't lack intelligence . In my qote I also do not refer to intelligence in a negative way.

I DO however have to re-itterate my suspicions that Thetruth's posts are rather 'highly charged' and not in the acceptable debating vein that is usual for this forum. Most people hint at their frustrations but they thankfully do not get so explicit. It is not 'nice' to read!

[On the edge]

It seems that you are not having a go at Sarah personally but at Sarah and I personally. I was merely congratulating Sarah for saying what I felt many people were thinking. If you read my post again you will see that it's not Thetruth's intelligence that I refer to but the intelligence of other posters on this site. Someone who can remember so much detail several months later surely can't lack intelligence . In my qote I also do not refer to intelligence in a negative way.

I DO however have to re-itterate my suspicions that Thetruth's posts are rather 'highly charged' and not in the acceptable debating vein that is usual for this forum. Most people hint at their frustrations but they thankfully do not get so explicit. It is not 'nice' to read!

I have no problem at all with your views on Thetruth's rather emotive account. As you say, clearly the language and tenor significantly detract from the points he's trying to make. That then achieves the exact reverse of what he's trying to do. I suppose my biggest problem was with the use of the word intelligence to differentiate those participating in this debate. I suspect I'm being overtly sensitive and splitting hairs, because as to the root of the issue in question, we seem to be in violent agreement.

[ossy1]

Two quick things, 1, it's pointless complaining to the pigs, they look after their own and will never admit mistakes, let alone faults. Secondly if I am wrong I apologise but it looks to me like Ossy1 and Anon123, and anon2 are all the same person, why do you keep changing your persona? It seems to be a dishonest way of trying to back yourself up and falsely claim that your points are more valid than they actually are.

I admitted being anon123, and I gave a reason why but I am NOT anon2. Strafin you just keep on prooving to me that you are exactly the type of person you express yourself to be buy the use of the word "pigs" you demonstrate that! I'm sure we have met before!

Please explain why my points are invalid? to you at least..

[Strafin]

I admitted being anon123, and I gave a reason why but I am NOT anon2. Strafin you just keep on prooving to me that you are exactly the type of person you express yourself to be buy the use of the word "pigs" you demonstrate that! I'm sure we have met before!

Please explain why my points are invalid? to you at least..

I feel that your points are hugely biased, and refuse to actually take in what people are saying. You keep referring to situations that you weren't there for and dismissing them as not being the full story. You then changed your persona to agree with yourself - I don't buy the whole log in story you came up with. The use of the word pigs was inflammatory and inappropriate for the forum, my apologies all round for this. My other point about TVP was because the opening question on this thread asked about experiences locally with the police, it did not stick to the transport police, so nor did I - maybe you should read the opening post properly before criticising. I have to say I find your attitude agressive, and dismissive, which if reflective of your (self proclaimed) role in the police force is probably why you are all getting such bad press.

[JeffG]

I'm surprised you (ossy1) even bothered responding to that offensive drivel. There's a well know saying "Don't feed the trolls."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

[ossy1]

I feel that your points are hugely biased, and refuse to actually take in what people are saying. You keep referring to situations that you weren't there for and dismissing them as not being the full story. You then changed your persona to agree with yourself - I don't buy the whole log in story you came up with. The use of the word pigs was inflammatory and inappropriate for the forum, my apologies all round for this. My other point about TVP was because the opening question on this thread asked about experiences locally with the police, it did not stick to the transport police, so nor did I - maybe you should read the opening post properly before criticising. I have to say I find your attitude agressive, and dismissive, which if reflective of your (self proclaimed) role in the police force is probably why you are all getting such bad press.

I am not an aggresive person but had I used some of the words you choose to use in your posts then I would understand your findings about me.

You are though very anti, so what ever I say or do will always cause you to react adversly. There are always two sides to a story but you will always choose to look at the side that berates the police and gives you further amunition to dislike them.

[GMR]

I am not an aggresive person but had I used some of the words you choose to use in your posts then I would understand your findings about me.

You are though very anti, so what ever I say or do will always cause you to react adversly. There are always two sides to a story but you will always choose to look at the side that berates the police and gives you further amunition to dislike them.

If I could add my two pennyworth. There are two sides to every story.... but only one is correct. You are presuming Strafin is wrong. In fact – and knowing a few police officers – he has a point, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t any decent coppers out there; there are and I also know quite a few of them as well (I work on NAG Committees). My daughter’s boyfriend is a police officer and he is a loyal, honest and hard working officer. As all police should be. What angers ordinary people are not the decent ones but those that behave in an unacceptable manner towards them/ society. People on here have shown you the problems they’ve had with officers when they have been in contact with them. Instead of understanding where they are coming from you defend the police force as if they are beyond reproach. At the end of the day they are human beings like anybody else and capable of corruption and being abusive. Whether you are right or wrong you do come over as aggressive person. This then adds to the fuel that is being poured onto the fire which you wish to dampen. Me personally: I am very much pro police, but anti police abuse/ bad behaviour.

[ossy1]

If I could add my two pennyworth. There are two sides to every story.... but only one is correct. You are presuming Strafin is wrong. In fact – and knowing a few police officers – he has a point, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t any decent coppers out there; there are and I also know quite a few of them as well (I work on NAG Committees). My daughter’s boyfriend is a police officer and he is a loyal, honest and hard working officer. As all police should be. What angers ordinary people are not the decent ones but those that behave in an unacceptable manner towards them/ society. People on here have shown you the problems they’ve had with officers when they have been in contact with them. Instead of understanding where they are coming from you defend the police force as if they are beyond reproach. At the end of the day they are human beings like anybody else and capable of corruption and being abusive. Whether you are right or wrong you do come over as aggressive person. This then adds to the fuel that is being poured onto the fire which you wish to dampen. Me personally: I am very much pro police, but anti police abuse/ bad behaviour.

Well in 8years that's the first compliant ive ever had!!! Perhaps you read me as aggresive, what i try to do is correct those on points of law that are wrong. I have never said that I am defending the police force, I am simply trying to say that thre are two sides to the story which seems to get forgotten. I personally just get fed up with reading all these posts putting the police down from people who have never done the job! If you think thats aggresive then so be it. I spend my working days working hard and dealing with death and the destruction it causes family's. I have never had a complaint from a member of public and take pride in that fact.
I have never said the police are beyond reproach. I am very aware that there are some that let the side down, who are in the wrong job etc etc, but then what organisation doesnt have them???

[Anon2]

I am 100% SURE it didnt come through on our stop check YES !!! As i DIDN'T have an attitude, do you not understand me or something??!! Will you just quit harping on about my so called attitude now, its boring.

And why would the person stood on the train station, with presumably nothing to do with the 'lad in question' 'leave out bits or 'not tell the whole story ' ?? Why do you feel the people on here, when talking about the police, have problems telling the whole story exactly?! You cant / wont accept that actually the police aren't ALL squeaky clean and that actually the 'average joe on the street' MAY ACTUALLY be accurate in their description of events!

Well if your attitude was not a problem then the blame must lie squarely with the Officers concerned. Therefore make an official complaint through the proper channels and follow it through...A case of put up or shut up.....

[GMR]

Well in 8years that's the first compliant ive ever had!!! Perhaps you read me as aggresive, what i try to do is correct those on points of law that are wrong. I have never said that I am defending the police force, I am simply trying to say that thre are two sides to the story which seems to get forgotten. I personally just get fed up with reading all these posts putting the police down from people who have never done the job! If you think thats aggresive then so be it. I spend my working days working hard and dealing with death and the destruction it causes family's. I have never had a complaint from a member of public and take pride in that fact.
I have never said the police are beyond reproach. I am very aware that there are some that let the side down, who are in the wrong job etc etc, but then what organisation doesnt have them???

I understand what you are saying and I shall bow to your words. I do know your input - even though some don't agree with you - is welcome on here. You give your view, they give theirs... which makes a good and clean debate.

I wish you all the best in your job and may you continue debating on here.

[Anon2]

I admitted being anon123, and I gave a reason why but I am NOT anon2. Strafin you just keep on prooving to me that you are exactly the type of person you express yourself to be buy the use of the word "pigs" you demonstrate that! I'm sure we have met before!

Please explain why my points are invalid? to you at least..

I can assure you that I am not ossy1. I did put another comment on a related topic that people can go on patrol with the local police as a civilian observer and see for yourself how it's done and what the Police have to put up with. Also you could have a look at this story/video from last year that I found on the site - might give a small insight to it......

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article...?articleID=8412

[Rose8]

If I could add my two pennyworth. There are two sides to every story.... but only one is correct. You are presuming Strafin is wrong. In fact – and knowing a few police officers – he has a point, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t any decent coppers out there; there are and I also know quite a few of them as well (I work on NAG Committees). My daughter’s boyfriend is a police officer and he is a loyal, honest and hard working officer. As all police should be. What angers ordinary people are not the decent ones but those that behave in an unacceptable manner towards them/ society. People on here have shown you the problems they’ve had with officers when they have been in contact with them. Instead of understanding where they are coming from you defend the police force as if they are beyond reproach. At the end of the day they are human beings like anybody else and capable of corruption and being abusive. Whether you are right or wrong you do come over as aggressive person. This then adds to the fuel that is being poured onto the fire which you wish to dampen. Me personally: I am very much pro police, but anti police abuse/ bad behaviour.

Well said, i have to agree that i have found this to be the case when dealing with Ossy1 also.

[Iommi]

I don't think ossy1 comes across as aggressive. He does seem reluctant to criticize alleged poor police actions, but that is only to be expected.

[Sarah]

IAt the end of the day they are human beings like anybody else and capable of corruption and being abusive. Whether you are right or wrong you do come over as aggressive person. This then adds to the fuel that is being poured onto the fire which you wish to dampen.

Maybe I've missed some posts or maybe I haven't been around long enough, but I've never found that Ossy comes over as an aggressive person.

[ossy1]

I don't think ossy1 comes across as aggressive. He does seem reluctant to criticize alleged poor police actions, but that is only to be expected.

Thank you. Your right I am reluctant to criticize, reason being I was not there and do not know both sides of the story. Bit like asking a jury to find someone guilty when they have only been given half the evidence! Orexpecting a vodafone telesales persons to bad mouth their colleagues, probably wouldnt happen!!

I am just a firm believer that to criticize someone you must have walked in their shoes and whilst most want to ciritcize the police most have never done the job. Yes there's training for difficult customers but do you think it's easy to nice and sweet to everyone? Sometimes you can be lovely to someone and they will punch you in the face. And whilst I don't doubt the original posters story's you must remember that I am always reading between the lines, if I did not then i would be rubbish at my job because I would not be able to recognise those that bend or exagerate the truth. I have been to many an incident that has been completely different to as reported mainly to get a quicker response, whilst police response is a completely different issue. Sometimes peoples emergencys are not as an emergency as the person before ot after, if you get what i'm saying!!

Policing is a very hard job, it makes you immune to things that others would find distressing, it makes you cynical of everyone and everything!! And when random people stop you in the street and have a go at you for no reason it can also make you a bit offish!!

[Strafin]

Thank you. Your right I am reluctant to criticize, reason being I was not there and do not know both sides of the story. Bit like asking a jury to find someone guilty when they have only been given half the evidence! Orexpecting a vodafone telesales persons to bad mouth their colleagues, probably wouldnt happen!![/quote]
True enough, I wouldn't bad mouth my colleagues either, I might not defend them so rigorously though.

I am just a firm believer that to criticize someone you must have walked in their shoes and whilst most want to ciritcize the police most have never done the job.

So you never complain in restaurants, never return faulty goods (unless you made them), or moan about tv programmes?

Yes there's training for difficult customers but do you think it's easy to nice and sweet to everyone? .

No but if it was easy, we'd all be doing it, you get paid well for it because it is hard.

Policing is a very hard job, it makes you immune to things that others would find distressing, it makes you cynical of everyone and everything!! And when random people stop you in the street and have a go at you for no reason it can also make you a bit offish!!

I can understand that actually.

[GMR]

Maybe I've missed some posts or maybe I haven't been around long enough, but I've never found that Ossy comes over as an aggressive person.

And you are probably right from your perspective. We all see things in a different light. Some posts agreed with my interpretation, others will agree with your observation of ossy's posts. I am sure you’ve read some of my posts and thought that they were a bit strong, while others may read them slightly differently. That is the beauty of differences; we all have our own unique view point and styles; each one valued. I am sure Ossy will take all our comments on board and draw her own conclusion. However, I do welcome your different viewpoint Sarah, as I am sure Ossy does.

Just one thing of intrest; I was reading an interesting article on Shakespeare; we see him – or the world sees him – as the number one English writer in the world. However, there are a group who actually don’t think he is the greatest writer in the world. As I have said many, many times before ‘what is one man’s meat, is another man’s poison.'

[Sarah]

And you are probably right from your perspective. We all see things in a different light. Some posts agreed with my interpretation, others will agree with your observation of ossy's posts. I am sure you’ve read some of my posts and thought that they were a bit strong, while others may read them slightly differently. That is the beauty of differences; we all have our own unique view point and styles; each one valued. I am sure Ossy will take all our comments on board and draw her own conclusion. However, I do welcome your different viewpoint Sarah, as I am sure Ossy does.

Just one thing of intrest; I was reading an interesting article on Shakespeare; we see him – or the world sees him – as the number one English writer in the world. However, there are a group who actually don’t think he is the greatest writer in the world. As I have said many, many times before ‘what is one man’s meat, is another man’s poison.'

I have reread Ossy's posts on Rose8's thread just to try and see your perspective, and I'm afraid I stand by what I posted, he/she (sorry Ossy not sure) doesn't come over as aggressive in my view, in fact in view of some of the comments, I felt Ossy was very restrained.

I don't think you can compare an opinion on whether someone is the greatest writer or not, with an opinion on whether someone is aggressive or not. Totally different ball game.

[GMR]

I have reread Ossy's posts on Rose8's thread just to try and see your perspective, and I'm afraid I stand by what I posted, he/she (sorry Ossy not sure) doesn't come over as aggressive in my view, in fact in view of some of the comments, I felt Ossy was very restrained.

As you said, and my point, ‘in your view’. But it is good that you do have a different observation to mine over Ossy’s posts otherwise life would be very boring. Nevertheless, whoever's view is correct Ossy has made a good contribution to these boards and may it long continue. It would be so boring if everybody agreed; that is why I appreciate your different observation. Too many similarities on here would spoil these boards.

I don't think you can compare an opinion on whether someone is the greatest writer or not, with an opinion on whether someone is aggressive or not. Totally different ball game.

Of course it is a totally different ball game Sarah; but a hybrid of ball games makes a different spectator sport.

[Sarah]

As you said, and my point, ‘in your view’. But it is good that you do have a different observation to mine over Ossy’s posts otherwise life would be very boring. Nevertheless, whoever's view is correct Ossy has made a good contribution to these boards and may it long continue. It would be so boring if everybody agreed; that is why I appreciate your different observation. Too many similarities on here would spoil these boards.



Of course it is a totally different ball game Sarah; but a hybrid of ball games makes a different spectator sport.

I do love the way you come out with so much drivel when you have run out of answers, you should have been a politician.

[Iommi]

I do love the way you come out with so much drivel when you have run out of answers, you should have been a politician.

Careful, people will begin to think you and I are the same person! The thing is, he has a posting record to maintain!

[GMR]

I do love the way you come out with so much drivel when you have run out of answers, you should have been a politician.

I know... but it is a gift

[GMR]

Careful, people will begin to think you and I are the same person! The thing is, he has a posting record to maintain!

And so do you

I think the operative word here is 'think'

[Sarah]

Careful, people will begin to think you and I are the same person! The thing is, he has a posting record to maintain!

Could be worse, people might think I was GMR and just trying to increase the record. Wish he'd cut to the chase though, I'm struggling to stay awake by the end of his waffling.

[GMR]

Could be worse, people might think I was GMR and just trying to increase the record. Wish he'd cut to the chase though, I'm struggling to stay awake by the end of his waffling.

I don't believe people will think we are alike.... for a start the sex would be a problem unless I/ we were androgynous... then again anything is possible.

And what 'chase' would you like me to 'cut' to? As for staying awake; good cup of tea or coffee might help.

[Anon2]

For the record and having just logged in, I can't, for the life of me, find any aggression in Ossy1's posts....Maybe that's because we have something in common and have to walk the same walk a lot of the time. I did not reply to the 'pigs' remark, not for the reason of not feeding the troll, but because, having heard that so often from people who are educated beyond their intelligence, it has become boring.

[GMR]

For the record and having just logged in, I can't, for the life of me, find any aggression in Ossy1's posts....Maybe that's because we have something in common and have to walk the same walk a lot of the time. I did not reply to the 'pigs' remark, not for the reason of not feeding the troll, but because, having heard that so often from people who are educated beyond their intelligence, it has become boring.

It is nice to see officers of the law give their side of things. We need more variety debaters on here.

[ossy1]

It is nice to see officers of the law give their side of things. We need more variety debaters on here.

It would be nice if we did debate, but when we (officers of the law) try and do that we are told we are 1)aggresive, 2) verbally abused, by some, not all c) told we don't take account of other peoples views, well perhaps people dont take account of ours! just my observations of a view members of the forum.

I would like someone to point out what they felt aggresive though because it is puzzling me when I compare some of my posts to that of others!! Or perhaps someones trying to trick me into being so for some strange agenda.

[GMR]

It would be nice if we did debate, but when we (officers of the law) try and do that we are told we are 1)aggresive, 2) verbally abused, by some, not all c) told we don't take account of other peoples views, well perhaps people dont take account of ours! just my observations of a view members of the forum.

I would like someone to point out what they felt aggresive though because it is puzzling me when I compare some of my posts to that of others!! Or perhaps someones trying to trick me into being so for some strange agenda.

Don't let it upset you. The trouble is that that is forum life. I've been called everything you have at one time or another and I am not even a policeman.

To be honest you need a thick skin on here... and you should be halfway there, being a policewoman.

I think on the whole people appreciate your input.

[Sarah]

I would like someone to point out what they felt aggresive.

Me too as my perception seems to be in doubt.

[Iommi]

I'd be surprised if anyone can demonstrate ossy1 has been aggressive, unless some people on here have paper thin skin.

[JeffG]

Actually, I don't think "that" word really refers to the police at all. It's an acronym for a traffic warden - "Person In Green".

[GMR]

Me too as my perception seems to be in doubt.

We all have different perceptions which I had said, I never said your perception was in doubt. We all read things in a different way; take the Bible and the Koran. All can be interpreted in different ways.

[GMR]

I'd be surprised if anyone can demonstrate ossy1 has been aggressive, unless some people on here have paper thin skin.

You should know that we all read things differently. I can reverse what you said and use it as a poser. I think your comments has more to do with playing the Lone Ranger. Basically you are saying your perceptions are the right ones and everybody else’s are wrong. Not a very constructive defence.

[Sarah]

We all have different perceptions which I had said, I never said your perception was in doubt. We all read things in a different way; take the Bible and the Koran. All can be interpreted in different ways.

There is an easy solution, point to any post that you found aggressive.

[GMR]

There is an easy solution, point to any post that you found aggressive.

I don't see the point of that as your response will be predictable and I am not prepared to look through all her posts only for you stay say the obvious. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I am sure that at the end of the day you've achieved your goal and now we should move on to more constructive debates.

[Iommi]

I don't see the point of that as your response will be predictable and I am not prepared to look through all her posts only for you stay say the obvious. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I am sure that at the end of the day you've achieved your goal and now we should move on to more constructive debates.

I think it is ossy1 that is entitled to an explanation, not Sarah or I.

You should know that we all read things differently. I can reverse what you said and use it as a poser. I think your comments has more to do with playing the Lone Ranger. Basically you are saying your perceptions are the right ones and everybody else’s are wrong. Not a very constructive defence.

I'm saying no such thing, I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, only that I have not read anything aggressive. If you accuse someone of something like being aggressive, then you should be demonstrating why, otherwise your comments will seem nothing more than sophistry. Not a very constructive prosecution I'd say.

I'd say ossy1 has been robust in defending the police, that needn't be considered aggressive. Defensive, would be my choice. Like I said. ossy1 hasn't been critical of the police and the allegations, but that is quite a common response, especially from the police.

[Sarah]

I don't see the point of that as your response will be predictable and I am not prepared to look through all her posts only for you stay say the obvious. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I am sure that at the end of the day you've achieved your goal and now we should move on to more constructive debates.

Fine by me, but I still think it wise to base opinions on facts.

[GMR]

Fine by me, but I still think it wise to base opinions on facts.

I am glad it is fine by you, however, if you want to labour the point I am sure you'll come back to me.

[GMR]

I think it is ossy1 that is entitled to an explanation, not Sarah or I.

If Ossy wants an explanation I am sure she would have come to me or whoever said something she didn’t like. But I am pleased for her that she has a defender and spokesman. Probably a bit of sexism here; maybe you think the ‘little woman’ is not up to speaking for herself?

I'm saying no such thing, I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, only that I have not read anything aggressive. If you accuse someone of something like being aggressive, then you should be demonstrating why, otherwise your comments will seem nothing more than sophistry. Not a very constructive prosecution I'd say.

We don’t all give every thread a forensic examination and I’ve noticed when you have been called on to explain things you haven’t always been forthcoming. Maybe there is a hidden agenda here and that is why you are labouring the point.

I'd say ossy1 has been robust in defending the police, that needn't be considered aggressive. Defensive, would be my choice. Like I said. ossy1 hasn't been critical of the police and the allegations, but that is quite a common response, especially from the police.

I am pleased to here it, and I am also sure that she will be pleased to here it as well; at least we’ve sorted that one out.


Do we now move on or is there any other points you’d like to make on her behalf?


I hope - and if it’s necessary - that you will robustly defend my honour if you feel it needs defending… or even another member on here. By the way; you haven’t got any parking tickets you need overturning or some other sort of conviction that needs looking at?

[Sarah]

If Ossy wants an explanation I am sure she would have come to me or whoever said something she didn’t like. But I am pleased for her that she has a defender and spokesman. Probably a bit of sexism here; maybe you think the ‘little woman’ is not up to speaking for herself?

Ossy did speak up for herself, she also asked if someone could point out where they felt she had been aggressive. I notice you ignored that request.

[GMR]

Ossy did speak up for herself, she also asked if someone could point out where they felt she had been aggressive. I notice you ignored that request.

I didn't ignore it, just didn't see it.... sorry.

[Sarah]

I didn't ignore it, just didn't see it.... sorry.

Strange... I quoted and replied to her, and mentioned my perception being in doubt, you read that one ok, because you replied to it.

[GMR]

Strange... I quoted and replied to her, and mentioned my perception being in doubt, you read that one ok, because you replied to it.

Obviously I didn't read it properly or skimmed over it.

[Iommi]

If Ossy wants an explanation I am sure she would have come to me or whoever said something she didn’t like. But I am pleased for her that she has a defender and spokesman. Probably a bit of sexism here; maybe you think the ‘little woman’ is not up to speaking for herself?

My post was, "I'd be surprised if anyone can demonstrate ossy1 has been aggressive, unless some people on here have paper thin skin." This was an oblique reference and just an opinion and it is yet to be refuted as far as I'm aware.

This followed Sarah explaining how she doubted herself. If anything I was supporting Sarah.

We don’t all give every thread a forensic examination and I’ve noticed when you have been called on to explain things you haven’t always been forthcoming. Maybe there is a hidden agenda here and that is why you are labouring the point.

I don't think anyone is asking for a forensic examination, but an example to support your opinion would add some substance to your view. I'm not asking for any explanation. I've made my point and am happy to leave it there.

If I am called into explain myself, I will always attempt to do so, please point it out if I don't.

Do we now move on or is there any other points you’d like to make on her behalf?

I have as far as I can tell, perhaps you can correct me, never made a point on her behalf.

I hope - and if it’s necessary - that you will robustly defend my honour if you feel it needs defending… or even another member on here. By the way; you haven’t got any parking tickets you need overturning or some other sort of conviction that needs looking at?

In my life, I have one parking ticket (about ten years ago) and one SP30 (about three and a half years ago).

[Sarah]

Obviously I didn't read it properly or skimmed over it.

Not a good idea to skim over posts, it can lead to the reader getting the wrong impression of the poster.

Time to move on I think.

[GMR]

My post was, "I'd be surprised if anyone can demonstrate ossy1 has been aggressive, unless some people on here have paper thin skin." This was an oblique reference and just an opinion and it is yet to be refuted as far as I'm aware.

This followed Sarah explaining how she doubted herself. If anything I was supporting Sarah.


I don't think anyone is asking for a forensic examination, but an example to support your opinion would add some substance to your view. I'm not asking for any explanation. I've made my point and am happy to leave it there.

If I am called into explain myself, I will always attempt to do so, please point it out if I don't.


I have as far as I can tell, perhaps you can correct me, never made a point on her behalf.


In my life, I have one parking ticket (about ten years ago) and one SP30 (about three and a half years ago).

Thanks for the monologue... I am sure that should help things along

[Strafin]

I must point out that most of the aggressive (or posts I found aggresive anyway), are on the other thread (you know which one), but I don't really want to "troll" through all the posts picking out examples. In fairness, I think there was a lot more provocation in that one though.

[GMR]

Not a good idea to skim over posts, it can lead to the reader getting the wrong impression of the poster.

Time to move on I think.

I agree!!!

It has been very interesting....

[GMR]

I must point out that most of the aggressive (or posts I found aggresive anyway), are on the other thread (you know which one), but I don't really want to "troll" through all the posts picking out examples. In fairness, I think there was a lot more provocation in that one though.

That's it Strafin.... throw a spanner in the works. I am sure that Iommi being a gentleman and Sarah being a lady they now will turn their attention on you; good luck

[JeffG]

In my life, I have one parking ticket (about ten years ago) and one SP30 (about three and a half years ago).

What's an SP30? Is that similar to a UB40 or a P60?

[Sarah]

That's it Strafin.... throw a spanner in the works. I am sure that Iommi being a gentleman and Sarah being a lady they now will turn their attention on you; good luck

I don't know about Iommi, but I've said all I want to say. I'm sure Strafin is quite capable of reading my posts and he'll see that I did read through the other topic. I thought in view of some of the comments on that topic Ossy was very restrained.

[Iommi]

That's it Strafin.... throw a spanner in the works. I am sure that Iommi being a gentleman and Sarah being a lady they now will turn their attention on you; good luck

GMR, you flatter yourself too much , but just to remind you and bearing in mind that I knew more than one person felt ozzy1 was being aggressive, I said:

I'd be surprised if anyone can demonstrate ossy1 has been aggressive, unless some people on here have paper thin skin.

I didn't point to anyone in particular and I didn't say anyone couldn't prove ozzy1 was being aggressive. You, however, chose to take umbrage and made a direct assault on me, seemingly accusing me of duplicity.

I'd therefore like to repeat, I was replying to Sarah's doubt, not having a personal pop at you. For completeness, my opinion refers to anyone that feels ozzy1 has been aggressive.

What's an SP30? Is that similar to a UB40 or a P60?

SP30 - Speeding (in a car before you say anything! )

For those that are unsure, here's a link: SP30 - Speeding / Exceeding the speed limit


*Meanwhile, back at home* "Sarah love? Would you put the kettle on while I look for some more GMR misdemeanour's, there's a love!"