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> Animals don't feel pain., a Brexit bonus to free us of EU red tape
SirWilliam
post Nov 24 2017, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 24 2017, 08:06 AM) *
How is this relevant to the topic? This seems to be about the failure of the EU to police its laws, not whether we should adopt an EU law.


Exactly . One may argue that it is illegal to murder your neighbour but that doesn't prevent it happening . Unless we are prepared to police any legislation we introduce then what is the point of having it ? In order to actually prevent animal cruelty we need to have the will to prosecute all those who commit it . Then of course one man's perception of cruelty is different to the next . Which is worse , transporting a lamb 70 miles for over an hour in a cramped lorry to the slaughterhouse , or being strung up by it's hind leg and having it's throat cut in a process that make take only 2 minutes ? One may well argue that both cause unnecessary suffering but one is committed in the name of religious tolerance and the other because of our obsession with food "safety" . On the position of BSE , ( which lead to the closure of local abattoirs ) , this was a genuine case of politicians losing the plot . Quite happy to import meat from an "unregulated" European market but obsessed with forcing our own producers into an over regulated quagmire .
I doubt we will ever please all of the people but it would be nice to think that all interested parties can formulate a common consensus .


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post Nov 25 2017, 12:01 PM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/a...t-a8072071.html

So now it has been admitted by the Independent that their article was misleading and therefore inaccurate . We rely on the supposed "responsible dailys" to report the facts and leave the histrionics to the tabloids , but now we have the social media element that has no intention of letting accuracy stand in the way of a good story and I wonder how much professional journalism is being eroded by the availability of internet fodder ? On the other side of the fence we have a Parliament that is so out of touch with it's people that it didn't even cross it's diminutive minds that the great unwashed would be not a little upset by it's perceived stance .
Maybe Trump is not so far off his allegations of "fake news" hovering round every corner, but the only way to prevent us descending into a glorified free for all is for those who make the news to also ensure that their actions are completely transparent .


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Andy Capp
post Nov 25 2017, 12:50 PM
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From what I have read, the headlines were misleading - they often are - but the reporting of the argument was accurate. The government has failed to effectively explain why they didn’t support the motion. The proposers argue the current legislation is not empathic.
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post Nov 25 2017, 01:14 PM
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And I see a whole bunch of luvvies now deleting tweets and apologizing.
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post Nov 25 2017, 05:32 PM
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The government voted against accepting EU legislation recognising animals are sentient beings. Where's the falsehood?
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Andy Capp
post Nov 25 2017, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Nov 25 2017, 05:32 PM) *
The government voted against accepting EU legislation recognising animals are sentient beings. Where's the falsehood?

Exactly.
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post Nov 28 2017, 02:42 PM
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Here is a rather entertaining view of matters in hand.

Haha


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post Nov 28 2017, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Nov 28 2017, 02:42 PM) *
Here is a rather entertaining view of matters in hand.

Haha

Hilarious! However, arguing with liberals is like trying to play chess with pigeons, they start by knocking all the pieces over, ****ting on the board and then strutting around like they've won something.
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post Nov 28 2017, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 28 2017, 04:16 PM) *
Hilarious! However, arguing with liberals is like trying to play chess with pigeons, they start by knocking all the pieces over, ****ting on the board and then strutting around like they've won something.


But they make the ingredients of a good pie . To the victor the spoils . wink.gif


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Andy Capp
post Nov 28 2017, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Nov 28 2017, 02:42 PM) *
Here is a rather entertaining view of matters in hand.

Haha

Funny, but a lot of cobblers too.
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post Nov 28 2017, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 28 2017, 09:00 PM) *
Funny, but a lot of cobblers too.

As per post #48.
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post Nov 29 2017, 06:56 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 28 2017, 10:15 PM) *
As per post #48.

The singling out of ‘liberals’ makes that post less effective too. Replace it with ‘people with entrenched views’, then that would be better.

Most things I read were seemingly accurate; only the headline was misleading, but headlines are often misleading and are really designed to draw you in. Making an argument based around the principle that because some people are selective with their objections makes their view less worthy isn’t a good argument in my view.
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post Nov 29 2017, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 29 2017, 06:56 AM) *
The singling out of ‘liberals’ makes that post less effective too. Replace it with ‘people with entrenched views’, then that would be better.

Most things I read were seemingly accurate; only the headline was misleading, but headlines are often misleading and are really designed to draw you in. Making an argument based around the principle that because some people are selective with their objections makes their view less worthy isn’t a good argument in my view.

#48.
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post Nov 29 2017, 11:30 AM
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And, where's JSC gorn? And newres? Think they've run away together? A fairytale ending? At Christmas? Awww rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 29 2017, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 29 2017, 09:13 AM) *
#48.

QED
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post Nov 29 2017, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 29 2017, 11:30 AM) *
And, where's JSC gorn? And newres? Think they've run away together? A fairytale ending? At Christmas? Awww rolleyes.gif

Mum and dad have confiscated their mobiles!
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post Nov 29 2017, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 29 2017, 01:28 PM) *
Mum and dad have confiscated their mobiles!

laugh.gif Squabbling? Again? Lil agitators! laugh.gif
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post Nov 29 2017, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 29 2017, 11:30 AM) *
And, where's JSC gorn? And newres? Think they've run away together? A fairytale ending? At Christmas? Awww rolleyes.gif


"All I want for xmas is to remain in Europe , tra la la etc ".
I wonder if we turned round and said we want to re-join how much Michel Barnier and his cronies would ask for ?


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post Nov 30 2017, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 29 2017, 01:28 PM) *
Mum and dad have confiscated their mobiles!

Its Ok chaps. Newres has had to retire to his "safe space" after JSC bullied him. Shame on you. And JSC is now under caution from plod for this heinous crime.
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post Nov 30 2017, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 30 2017, 07:59 AM) *
Its Ok chaps. Newres has had to retire to his "safe space" after JSC bullied him. Shame on you. And JSC is now under caution from plod for this heinous crime.

Tell us more?
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