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Andy Capp
post Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM
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MPs (mainly Monster Raving Tories) vote that ‘animals can’t feel pain or emotion’ as part of Brexit bill/
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post Nov 21 2017, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM) *

That's ok, next time you run one over cos your going too fast to stop in time it won't feel it. Good news then.


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Andy Capp
post Nov 21 2017, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 08:53 PM) *
That's ok, next time you run one over cos your going too fast to stop in time it won't feel it. Good news then.

I'd be speeding up! tongue.gif
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post Nov 21 2017, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:55 PM) *
I'd be speeding up! tongue.gif

True to form then.


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Andy Capp
post Nov 21 2017, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 08:57 PM) *
True to form then.

Well, it is reported that the Tories think animals feel no pain and have no sentience, but I guess it takes one to know one.
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post Nov 21 2017, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 09:03 PM) *
Well, it is reported that the Tories think animals feel no pain and have no sentience, but I guess it takes one to know one.

What? Tory? Yup! Right on! Not just the Tories though, was it.


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Andy Capp
post Nov 21 2017, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09:08 PM) *
What? Tory? Yup! Right on! Not just the Tories though, was it.

No, but mainly Tories though. At least we can now free ourselves of unnecessary EU red tape.
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post Nov 21 2017, 09:24 PM
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and suprise, surprise Richard Benyon voted in favour of that bill.

https://www.facebook.com/yesterdaysshadows/...894611370687185

But then he also voted against EVERY bill that would force Landlords to improve safety measures, new building regs etc.

So he also has some the ashes of those that died in Grenfell on his BLOOD soaked hands!

He is your a typical tory, as long as he is OK, then to **** with everybody else beneath....


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post Nov 21 2017, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 09:14 PM) *
No, but mainly Tories though. At least we can now free ourselves of unnecessary EU red tape.

Onwards, always onwards! Free yourselves from the will sapping inertia of the unelected bureaucrats standing on the necks of honest working people! Forwards to victory!


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post Nov 21 2017, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09:27 PM) *
Onwards, always onwards! Free yourselves from the will sapping inertia of the unelected bureaucrats standing on the necks of honest working people! Forwards to victory!


Yes! And once we are free of the tyranny of the EU we can import Lions and Giraffes and Wildebeest and all manner of big game. Then issue passes to Americans to shoot them. Loadsamoney. I gather Zimbabwe's looking for a new business opportunity.😂
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post Nov 21 2017, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 21 2017, 09:51 PM) *
Yes! And once we are free of the tyranny of the EU we can import Lions and Giraffes and Wildebeest and all manner of big game. Then issue passes to Americans to shoot them. Loadsamoney. I gather Zimbabwe's looking for a new business opportunity.😂

I've been looking for something to put in the orchard! New business venture on the horizon. Good one, I can run it alongside the ahem! 'landlords negotiation service' that is proving so popular at the moment.


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post Nov 22 2017, 01:26 AM
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Animals certainly don't feel pain like we do - one of my dogs has a tooth abcess - looks like the sort of thing that would have me screaming. He shows no sign of noticing it is there.

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post Nov 22 2017, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:26 AM) *
Animals certainly don't feel pain like we do - one of my dogs has a tooth abcess - looks like the sort of thing that would have me screaming. He shows no sign of noticing it is there.

Not feeling it like we do is not the same as not feeling it at all, just as a dog cannot be held as representitve of the entire animal kingdom.
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post Nov 22 2017, 10:14 AM
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The problem is that we , ( as a species ) , judge how the rest of the animal kingdom reacts to a situation by our own standards . The inference that other creatures do not feel pain is plain stupid as , if we take mammals as an example , we all have a similar nervous system . If a dog runs a thorn into it's foot it will lick it which allows the natural analgesic in the saliva to take effect ; if a human does the same they use their opposing thumb to good effect . The question is does an animal have the cognitive ability to understand why pain is present or does it accept it because it can not perceive it getting better ?
Everyone is damning the Government for not encompassing the EU directive on animal rights but remember this legislation was drawn up to protect the human element not the animal . It allowed the continuation of bull fighting , live transport across many borders and the ritual slaughter practice to name but a few . Yes we need our own laws to protect but a lot are already in place and I for one would like to see one which actually achieves it's objective .


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post Nov 22 2017, 07:11 PM
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“In formulating and implementing the Union's agriculture, fisheries, transport, internal market, research and technological development and space policies, the Union and the Member States shall, since animals are sentient beings, pay full regard to the welfare requirements of animals, while respecting the legislative or administrative provisions and customs of the Member States relating in particular to religious rites, cultural traditions and regional heritage."

“That understanding has since informed more than 20 pieces of EU law on animal welfare, including the ban on sealskin imports, the ban on conventional battery cages and the ban on cosmetics testing on animals."
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post Nov 22 2017, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09:08 PM) *
What? Tory? Yup! Right on! Not just the Tories though, was it.

Yes It was. Tories, DUP (outsourced tories) and 2 independents. The independents were elected as Tories but are currently suspended from the party.
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post Nov 22 2017, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Nov 22 2017, 07:29 PM) *
Yes It was. Tories, DUP (outsourced tories) and 2 independents. The independents were elected as Tories but are currently suspended from the party.

Fnarr!


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Jay Sands
post Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM) *
- is fake news.

https://order-order.com/2017/11/23/viral-an...million-people/

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post Nov 23 2017, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE (Jay Sands @ Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM) *

Thank you for that.


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post Nov 23 2017, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM) *

'Tard news.


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