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post Oct 10 2017, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 10 2017, 01:27 PM) *
What would the British government do if Scotland pressed ahead? Our police have proved that they are not beyond beating up people and even murder for defying laws - poll tax, miner's strike etc Does any news happen that you cannot sneak in an anti EU angle however inappropriate?


Is that not the very point TDH is trying to make ? No Country should be immune from being held to rights , the question being "what are their rights " ? If the European Human Rights Act is being contravened then it is up to the guardians of that legislation to intervene .
Now I am sure it doesn't actually say that it is a bad thing to bash the inhabitants of a part of Spain ,but that doesn't mean that the rest of Europe , (inc UK as we are still an EU member ) , doesn't have to voice it's concern . Case of " not in my back yard " I guess . Seems that once again the voice hoi polloi is being ignored by the very people you wish to cosy up to .


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post Oct 10 2017, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 10 2017, 02:39 PM) *
Is that not the very point TDH is trying to make ? No Country should be immune from being held to rights , the question being "what are their rights " ? If the European Human Rights Act is being contravened then it is up to the guardians of that legislation to intervene .
Now I am sure it doesn't actually say that it is a bad thing to bash the inhabitants of a part of Spain ,but that doesn't mean that the rest of Europe , (inc UK as we are still an EU member ) , doesn't have to voice it's concern . Case of " not in my back yard " I guess . Seems that once again the voice hoi polloi is being ignored by the very people you wish to cosy up to .

Is it the role of the EU to make political judgments on member states? In general it doesn't really do that. That's not its role is it? Just more silly EU bashing.

If EU legislation is being contravened, that's for the courts surely?
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post Oct 10 2017, 06:26 PM
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Europe does NOT want Catalonia to become independent, if it does it will encourage a resurgence in nationalist demands within the EU Bloc, France is fighting calls from Corsica, Flanders want autonomy, Scotland wants out, If the Catalans succeed it will be a nightmare for the jackboot brigade in Brussels. It will do everything in its power to prevent this happening. I feel for Catalonia, I really do, lets not forget it's not so very long ago that Franco marched into Barcelona and executed 10,000 republican men and women in five days.
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post Oct 10 2017, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 10 2017, 07:26 PM) *
Europe does NOT want Catalonia to become independent, if it does it will encourage a resurgence in nationalist demands within the EU Bloc, France is fighting calls from Corsica, Flanders want autonomy, Scotland wants out, If the Catalans succeed it will be a nightmare for the jackboot brigade in Brussels. It will do everything in its power to prevent this happening. I feel for Catalonia, I really do, lets not forget it's not so very long ago that Franco marched into Barcelona and executed 10,000 republican men and women in five days.


That doesn't matter for the pro EU brigade. History means nothing to them (unless its ours then we are colonial racist pigs).
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post Oct 10 2017, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 10 2017, 07:31 PM) *
That doesn't matter for the pro EU brigade. History means nothing to them (unless its ours then we are colonial racist pigs).


Oink Oink ! laugh.gif


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post Oct 12 2017, 11:00 PM
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I am trying to remember an EU response when the British police set about the striking miners, or the infamous attack on a traveller convoy - I suspect it was silent on the issue. Heavy handed policing happens from time to time, in general outsiders don't protest too much unless it gets to be a habit.
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post Oct 13 2017, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Oct 13 2017, 12:00 AM) *
I am trying to remember an EU response when the British police set about the striking miners, or the infamous attack on a traveller convoy - I suspect it was silent on the issue. Heavy handed policing happens from time to time, in general outsiders don't protest too much unless it gets to be a habit.

Not to mention the ketteling by the police a few years back.
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post Oct 13 2017, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 13 2017, 04:09 PM) *
Not to mention the ketteling by the police a few years back.


Can't make Omelettes without breaking eggs.


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post Oct 13 2017, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 13 2017, 07:27 PM) *
Can't make Omelettes without breaking eggs.

Au contraire: https://youtu.be/E_nDXxozWb4
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post Oct 14 2017, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 13 2017, 04:09 PM) *
Not to mention the ketteling by the police a few years back.


Civil unrest is a bit different to beating people up for trying to vote.
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post Oct 14 2017, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 14 2017, 12:15 PM) *
Civil unrest is a bit different to beating people up for trying to vote.

Voting in an illegal election is civil unrest, besides, both are potentially breaches of human rights.
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post Dec 21 2017, 04:53 PM
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Catalonia goes to the polls today in a de facto vote on independence, any predictions??


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post Dec 21 2017, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 21 2017, 04:53 PM) *
Catalonia goes to the polls today in a de facto vote on independence, any predictions??

52 percent stay in Spain. Vote rigged by EU.
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post Dec 21 2017, 06:25 PM
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Whichever way it goes you can guarantee the supporters of the defeated motion will cry foul and demand a another vote . Plebiscites should only be used when the result is forgone and not as a political hammer .
Should they Mr Cameron , Mr Salmond , General Pervez Musharraf et al . angry.gif


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post Dec 21 2017, 07:26 PM
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I think a small majority for the centrist independents, it will be interesting to see what Rajoy will do if they do. It can only split Spain further.


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