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Andy Capp
post Dec 27 2017, 11:11 AM
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An interesting article: How toxic is your car exhaust? It's not easy to find out
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post Dec 27 2017, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 27 2017, 11:11 AM) *


Must admit I got half way through reading this unmitigating drivel before returning to the well deceased turkey sandwich . The question is somewhat rhetorical in that the answer is of only academic interest . I can not see the average motorist upgrading his car just because it happens to be belching out more pollutant than a spanking new model . ALL internal combustion engines pollute , as do external and electric to a degree , but only a complete sandal wearing idiot would advocate the removal of all vehicles without first having a viable alternative .


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post Dec 27 2017, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Dec 27 2017, 06:42 PM) *
Must admit I got half way through reading this unmitigating drivel before returning to the well deceased turkey sandwich . The question is somewhat rhetorical in that the answer is of only academic interest . I can not see the average motorist upgrading his car just because it happens to be belching out more pollutant than a spanking new model . ALL internal combustion engines pollute , as do external and electric to a degree , but only a complete sandal wearing idiot would advocate the removal of all vehicles without first having a viable alternative .

If you would have been capable of reading the whole thing and understand it, you may have posted a more relevant point.
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post Dec 27 2017, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Dec 27 2017, 06:42 PM) *
Must admit I got half way through reading this unmitigating drivel before returning to the well deceased turkey sandwich . The question is somewhat rhetorical in that the answer is of only academic interest . I can not see the average motorist upgrading his car just because it happens to be belching out more pollutant than a spanking new model . ALL internal combustion engines pollute , as do external and electric to a degree , but only a complete sandal wearing idiot would advocate the removal of all vehicles without first having a viable alternative .


Yeah. Give up plastic. Thats the "flavour" of the month. Leave them cars alone. I cant cope with anymore people on my train commute!!
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post Dec 28 2017, 12:41 AM
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A big message in the article is that the way the emissions are monitored is hugely flawed. The message in this “drivel” is that the people we pay to keep us safer are failing to do their job.
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post Dec 28 2017, 09:12 AM
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Good to see hostilities have commenced after the festive break . My argument stands in that the article was long winded and irrelevant to the the headline as more inches were devoted to the French holiday than the subject matter . I am not doubting the figure of £3-10 K to test a car's emissions / mpg, just questioning the wisdom of doing it when it solves nothing .


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post Dec 28 2017, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Dec 28 2017, 09:12 AM) *
Good to see hostilities have commenced after the festive break . My argument stands in that the article was long winded and irrelevant to the the headline as more inches were devoted to the French holiday than the subject matter . I am not doubting the figure of £3-10 K to test a car's emissions / mpg, just questioning the wisdom of doing it when it solves nothing .

Your argument was incoherent and remains so.


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post Dec 28 2017, 02:48 PM
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All cars chuck out pollutants.
If it bothers you that much then cut down on your driving or don't do it at all.
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post Dec 28 2017, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 28 2017, 02:48 PM) *
All cars chuck out pollutants.
If it bothers you that much then cut down on your driving or don't do it at all.

Whether something is a pollutant isn’t the substantive point being made.
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post Jan 18 2018, 11:08 AM
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"Microwaves emit 7.7 million tonnes of carbon dioxide per year in the EU, which is equivalent to the annual emissions of 6.8 million cars, says University of Manchester study"
Scientifically proven! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Jan 18 2018, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 18 2018, 11:08 AM) *
"Microwaves emit 7.7 million tonnes of carbon dioxide per year in the EU, which is equivalent to the annual emissions of 6.8 million cars, says University of Manchester study"
Scientifically proven! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Put into context, 10 years ago there were ~250 million cars on the road in the EU, so 6.8 million is a small percentage of the whole.
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post Jan 18 2018, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 18 2018, 11:24 PM) *
Put into context, 10 years ago there were 250 million cars on the road, so 6.8 million is a small percentage of the whole.

Nah, can't argue with science, fact innit.
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post Jan 18 2018, 11:44 PM
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This'll make you smile, Volvo XC90 hybrid, how much for a new battery? 2k? 4k?, Can't be more than that shuuurly! Oh dear, 22k! That's twenty two thousand pounds. And they are only warranted from new for 7 years. Hybrid cars? Don't think I'll be buying one soon. laugh.gif
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post Jan 19 2018, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 18 2018, 11:44 PM) *
This'll make you smile, Volvo XC90 hybrid, how much for a new battery? 2k? 4k?, Can't be more than that shuuurly! Oh dear, 22k! That's twenty two thousand pounds. And they are only warranted from new for 7 years. Hybrid cars? Don't think I'll be buying one soon. laugh.gif


Smile? State of horror more like. One wonders if the salesman, ( sorry person ), empathised this on the test run. With government(s) pushing the electric agenda a sceptic may conclude that it is designed to price Mr and Mrs Average off the roads.


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post Jan 19 2018, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 18 2018, 11:44 PM) *
This'll make you smile, Volvo XC90 hybrid, how much for a new battery? 2k? 4k?, Can't be more than that shuuurly! Oh dear, 22k! That's twenty two thousand pounds. And they are only warranted from new for 7 years. Hybrid cars? Don't think I'll be buying one soon. laugh.gif

It's why I didn't go for the XC90. And, inbuilt unreliability. From Volvo as well. Sigh!


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post Feb 4 2018, 10:05 AM
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And guess what's comrade Jeremy is chauffered around in? That's right, after calling for a total ban on killer diesel he's in a ? Yeah, guessed it, a diesel. Class act.


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post Feb 4 2018, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 4 2018, 10:05 AM) *
And guess what's comrade Jeremy is chauffered around in? That's right, after calling for a total ban on killer diesel he's in a ? Yeah, guessed it, a diesel. Class act.

laugh.gif Mr 'do as I say, not as I do' Corbyn! laugh.gif
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post Feb 7 2018, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 4 2018, 10:05 AM) *
And guess what's comrade Jeremy is chauffered around in? That's right, after calling for a total ban on killer diesel he's in a ? Yeah, guessed it, a diesel. Class act.

As leader of the opposition he is allocated a government funded car and driver. They fund it and I'm pretty sure they pick it.
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post Feb 7 2018, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 02:09 AM) *
As leader of the opposition he is allocated a government funded car and driver. They fund it and I'm pretty sure they pick it.

Government hypocrisy knows no bounds.
After convincing us that diesel cars are the scourge of the earth they cancel electrification of............
Great western main line from Cardiff to Swansea.
Oxford to Didcot
Thames Valley branch lines
Midland Main Line from Bedford to Sheffield
Trans-Pennine route from Leeds to Manchester.
All in favour of using DIESEL instead! rolleyes.gif tongue.gif
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post Feb 8 2018, 08:40 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 7 2018, 08:55 AM) *
Government hypocrisy knows no bounds.
After convincing us that diesel cars are the scourge of the earth they cancel electrification of............
Great western main line from Cardiff to Swansea.
Oxford to Didcot
Thames Valley branch lines
Midland Main Line from Bedford to Sheffield
Trans-Pennine route from Leeds to Manchester.
All in favour of using DIESEL instead! rolleyes.gif tongue.gif


I'm saying nothing!

Do you know if 'Thames Valley branch lines' includes Reading to Newbury? Wouldn't be surprised if some comic came up with the idea of stopping electrification at Woolhampton!


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