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Simon Kirby
post Apr 30 2012, 03:36 PM
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I hear on the grape-vine that the Town Council have sent round a leaflet and questionnaire about self-management to (all but one of) their allotmenteers. Didn't someone who used to post on this forum once propose allotment self-management? I wonder if they talked to him about what it involves? If anyone can get hold of a copy of the leaflet and questionnaire it would be interesting if you could post it. I wonder if the questionnaire is anonymous; strikes me you'd have to be a brave woman to tell the council you actually wanted self-management.


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post Apr 30 2012, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 30 2012, 04:36 PM) *
Didn't someone who used to post on this forum once propose allotment self-management?

You could be right.

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 30 2012, 04:36 PM) *
I wonder if they talked to him about what it involves?

You could be wrong.


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post Apr 30 2012, 04:00 PM
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It simply couldn't possibly be true!!

Whoever made that needs some help.. and a medal.
has the markings of C.E over it but I think he wouldn't know how bless him.
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post Apr 30 2012, 06:04 PM
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Probably in the small print it has a warning about voting for self management?

Warning "Indicating yes may affect how NTC deals with you. You may be declared vexatious and it may lead to the loss of tenancy of your allotment". You may have to suffer discrimination with no right of reply. "You may be asked to sign a contract that forbids you speaking to the press or posting on any public forum without the express permission of the Chief Executive". If in any doubt please seek legal advice.

I feel that now they have made an example of Simon they are convinced that they will get the answer they require? As usual? Still we will see just what the good allotmenteers are made of! Will they stand up and fight a council that are held in disrepute? Will they stand up for keeping the cost of their allotments low? Will thay stand up for saving the non allotment taxpayers money?

Of course it will be interesting to see just what wording has been used by the council? I am sure they will not be too biased in the way it is presented? rolleyes.gif


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Andy Capp
post Apr 30 2012, 06:13 PM
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I suspect there will be little interest in self management from allotmenteers.

In my view, and bearing in mind that allotments are over subscribed, the council should be pushing for self management, rather than getting in the way of it.
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post Apr 30 2012, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 30 2012, 07:04 PM) *
Probably in the small print it has a warning about voting for self management?

Warning "Indicating yes may affect how NTC deals with you. You may be declared vexatious and it may lead to the loss of tenancy of your allotment". You may have to suffer discrimination with no right of reply. "You may be asked to sign a contract that forbids you speaking to the press or posting on any public forum without the express permission of the Chief Executive". If in any doubt please seek legal advice.


I think while true perhaps isn't best to ramble on about it anymore, peaceing the keep - or something like that. If the council are prepared to at least see what self-management options are out there then maybe toning down the snidey comments may keep people a bit happier!?
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post Apr 30 2012, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (jaycakes @ Apr 30 2012, 07:16 PM) *
I think while true perhaps isn't best to ramble on about it anymore, peaceing the keep - or something like that. If the council are prepared to at least see what self-management options are out there then maybe toning down the snidey comments may keep people a bit happier!?


Are there two of you? Or are you Schizophrenic? blink.gif


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post Apr 30 2012, 07:09 PM
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Are there two of you? Or are you Schizophrenic? blink.gif


I've got half a mind to report you for the accusation. laugh.gif
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post Apr 30 2012, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (jaycakes @ Apr 30 2012, 08:09 PM) *
I've got half a mind to report you for the accusation. laugh.gif


Trouble is I can't even appeal to your better half then? rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 30 2012, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (jaycakes @ Apr 30 2012, 05:00 PM) *
It simply couldn't possibly be true!!

Whoever made that needs some help.. and a medal.


The link didn't last too long, but it seems to have made it's way to the 'other' forum.
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Simon Kirby
post Apr 30 2012, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Apr 30 2012, 09:27 PM) *
The link didn't last too long, but it seems to have made it's way to the 'other' forum.

Fantastic piece of work DSB, absolutely fantastic.


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post Apr 30 2012, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 30 2012, 10:36 PM) *
Fantastic piece of work DSB, absolutely fantastic.


I will pass your comments on to the relevant peeps.
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post Apr 30 2012, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2012, 07:13 PM) *
I suspect there will be little interest in self management from allotmenteers.

There could be a lot of interest, but the Big Society challenge is that after a generation of not being expected to lift a finger to help ourselves while the nanny state tends to our every need, people will need some encouragement to believe that they can take responsibility for themselves again, and that's not a simple task, and not made any easier by the council's utter hostility to the possibility.

The best chance of self-management succeeding will start with the council itself deciding it's the right thing, and it doesn't need a mandate from the allotmenteers to decide that, what it needs is to understand what self-management is by visiting some self-managed sites and talking to their management committees. I've offered to arrange that, and if anyone's interested I'll offer again. What I expect the council will achieve with their questionnaire is a lukewarm response to the idea which they'll take as a mandate for state-management. And thus ends the hope of a Big Society.


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post Apr 30 2012, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Apr 30 2012, 09:27 PM) *
The link didn't last too long, but it seems to have made it's way to the 'other' forum.

Yes, clear proof the Newbury's dark forces are keeping an eye on the thread.
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post May 1 2012, 05:17 AM
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Pardon my ignorance..... 'other' forum? Where the Dark Forces roam?
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post May 1 2012, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Apr 30 2012, 09:27 PM) *
The link didn't last too long, but it seems to have made it's way to the 'other' forum.


Oh I forgot you're allowed to link to external sites, so long as those external sites are nothing to do with the council.
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post May 1 2012, 07:39 AM
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Well they let it stay up for half a day, but it's gone now.

Good to see free speech and freedom of expression is alive and well in Newbury. (Unless you're trying to 'stick it up' the Council).
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post May 1 2012, 07:49 AM
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If anybody wants the link, to what seems to have become this most contentious piece of Children's TV, feel free to p.m. me.

But be advised that this forum cannot be held to account for links to other sites.
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post May 1 2012, 09:25 AM
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post May 1 2012, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 30 2012, 10:55 PM) *
There could be a lot of interest, but the Big Society challenge is that after a generation of not being expected to lift a finger to help ourselves while the nanny state tends to our every need, people will need some encouragement to believe that they can take responsibility for themselves again, and that's not a simple task, and not made any easier by the council's utter hostility to the possibility.

The best chance of self-management succeeding will start with the council itself deciding it's the right thing, and it doesn't need a mandate from the allotmenteers to decide that, what it needs is to understand what self-management is by visiting some self-managed sites and talking to their management committees. I've offered to arrange that, and if anyone's interested I'll offer again. What I expect the council will achieve with their questionnaire is a lukewarm response to the idea which they'll take as a mandate for state-management. And thus ends the hope of a Big Society.

Or you could just accept that, in fact, many people are not interested in 'big society' at all? That they like having it all done for them & be freeloaders who'd rather pay so as not to have to do anything?

'Big Society' is just a load of political hubris & soundbite.
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