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post Nov 25 2011, 09:09 AM
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I hope his sentence is doubled.
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post Nov 25 2011, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 25 2011, 10:09 AM) *


I hope his sentence is doubled.

No, no - you have to emphasise with the poor little mite.
Obviously he is capable of reason and remorse and you have to build on that.
I don't know - you "hand 'em high" brigade!! wink.gif
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post Nov 25 2011, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 25 2011, 09:09 AM) *


I hope his sentence is doubled.


For telling the truth? How fantastically Orwellian TDH.


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post Nov 25 2011, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE (Bofem @ Nov 25 2011, 10:18 AM) *
For telling the truth? How fantastically Orwellian TDH.


I am glad he told the truth. Just shows how little morales he has. SCUM.
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post Nov 25 2011, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE (Bofem @ Nov 25 2011, 12:18 PM) *
For telling the truth? How fantastically Orwellian TDH.

Ever been burgled Bofem, or are you a burglar yourself?
Only way I can explain your strange supportive views of our criminal fraternity.
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post Nov 25 2011, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (Bofem @ Nov 25 2011, 10:18 AM) *
For telling the truth?


Indeed! As I understand it, part of his rehabilitation is to write to his victim to explain his actions and (hopefully) demonstrate his remorse. If he cannot see anything wrong in what he's done, or more likely, doesn't care, then his sentence should continue until he does see the error of his ways, and is sorry. Not much of a punishment otherwise is it?

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post Nov 25 2011, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE (massifheed @ Nov 25 2011, 10:49 AM) *
Indeed! As I understand it, part of his rehabilitation is to write to his victim to explain his actions and (hopefully) demonstrate his remorse. If he cannot see anything wrong in what he's done, or more likely, doesn't care, then his sentence should continue until he does see the error of his ways, and is sorry. Not much of a punishment otherwise is it?

At least he is honest in his letter - most would write the letter saying how sorry they are, not meaning a word of it. As a method of determining the length of punishment it seems pretty feeble. The only thing most of them are sorry about is being caught - even then many don't seem to care.
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post Nov 25 2011, 11:02 AM
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OK he was honest about his inability to be a contributive member of civilised society, but it does not say much for this type of "restorative" justice does it?
I must admit I am surprised by the comments coming forth on this thread so far as I mistakenly assumed that most law abiding people would be outraged by this, which I believe was the reason for the authorities publishing it in the first place.
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post Nov 25 2011, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 25 2011, 11:02 AM) *
OK he was honest about his inability to be a contributive member of civilised society, but it does not say much for this type of "restorative" justice does it?
I must admit I am surprised by the comments coming forth on this thread so far as I mistakenly assumed that most law abiding people would be outraged by this, which I believe was the reason for the authorities publishing it in the first place.


You get the impression that some people would like to send him on holiday to swim with dolphins at the tax payers expense to get over the 'ordeal' of the burglary he committed! Poor mite.
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post Nov 25 2011, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 25 2011, 11:02 AM) *
OK he was honest about his inability to be a contributive member of civilised society, but it does not say much for this type of "restorative" justice does it?

On the balance of cost and out-comes, RJ is meant to be more effective than other more commonly applied 'solutions'. Abandoning common sense for vengeance will get us nowhere.

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I must admit I am surprised by the comments coming forth on this thread so far as I mistakenly assumed that most law abiding people would be outraged by this, which I believe was the reason for the authorities publishing it in the first place.

It is funny. But it also might show that this person is going to cost us a lot of money before they decides to behave himself.
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post Nov 25 2011, 11:46 AM
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He's seen 'Shawshank Redemption', thats all

There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, or because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then: a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I want to talk to him. I want to try and talk some sense to him, tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old man is all that's left. I got to live with that. Rehabilitated? It's just a bull**** word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a ****.
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post Nov 25 2011, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 25 2011, 01:17 PM) *
Abandoning common sense for vengeance will get us nowhere.

Who's suggesting that?
Not me.
But what is going on here with this person and may others, to me, is not common sense.
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post Nov 25 2011, 06:06 PM
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Perhaps we should go back to sending 'em to Australia.
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post Nov 25 2011, 06:38 PM
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Send him to me, I'll cut the little sods hands off. its Ok, Allah says so.


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post Nov 25 2011, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 25 2011, 11:57 AM) *
Who's suggesting that?

You were, when you questioned RJ's effectiveness. I suggested that it is more effective per £ than other more 'traditional' methods, which I am sure you would prefer.

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But what is going on here with this person and may others, to me, is not common sense.

It is common sense to know that no one method works fine for everyone every time. It is ill advised to take individual examples as proof that a system doesn't work.
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post Nov 26 2011, 02:48 PM
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Lets face it, 'restorative justice' won't work - we've always known that. Its simply the age old appeasement schemes, dressed up to cover the deficiencies in the criminal justice system. To illustrate, at the back end of the 1930's a yob (lets call him Adolf) was running amok. So after yet another nasty incident, an older chap (say Neville) had a 'restorative conversation'. They wrote a very positive letter, where Adolf promised not to do it again, and both signed it... Can we stop this nonsense and get back to measures we do know that work - no matter how personally distressing for the perpetrator.


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post Nov 26 2011, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 26 2011, 02:48 PM) *
Lets face it, 'restorative justice' won't work - we've always known that. Its simply the age old appeasement schemes, dressed up to cover the deficiencies in the criminal justice system. To illustrate, at the back end of the 1930's a yob (lets call him Adolf) was running amok. So after yet another nasty incident, an older chap (say Neville) had a 'restorative conversation'. They wrote a very positive letter, where Adolf promised not to do it again, and both signed it... Can we stop this nonsense and get back to measures we do know that work - no matter how personally distressing for the perpetrator.

What methods are they? Do you have the appropriate statistics to support them?
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post Nov 26 2011, 07:28 PM
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post Nov 26 2011, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 26 2011, 05:27 PM) *
What methods are they? Do you have the appropriate statistics to support them?


Traditional; prison, humiliation (stocks / pillory), boot camps, etc. We have to remember that punishment is supposed to do three things. Retribution (or paying back society), deterrence and reformation. We 'claim' that we concentrate on the last. And no, I'm not falling for the produce statistics argument - you know where to find them. The Titanic didn't have enough life boats because the Board of Trade statistics proved they were unnecessary.


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post Nov 26 2011, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 26 2011, 08:18 PM) *
Traditional; prison, humiliation (stocks / pillory), boot camps, etc. We have to remember that punishment is supposed to do three things. Retribution (or paying back society), deterrence and reformation. We 'claim' that we concentrate on the last. And no, I'm not falling for the produce statistics argument - you know where to find them. The Titanic didn't have enough life boats because the Board of Trade statistics proved they were unnecessary.

Titanic? blink.gif In other words you have no argument to support your assertion.
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