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James_Trinder
post Feb 23 2020, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 23 2020, 01:25 PM) *
Where do you cross th canal then? It's at its furthest from the RR at colthrop. Do cross both with one span would mean a massive bridge. Unless bin looking vat the wrong OS map, very likely 🤔


There is already an existing canal bridge where Colthrop Lane crosses the canal so that could be upgraded at the same time. Obviously there would need to be a link road back to Chamberhouse Mill Lane on the southern side of the canal as well, which would certainly be expensive but not impossible to build.
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post Feb 23 2020, 03:35 PM
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Don't see it myself, you'd need to build a bridge over the river, another one over the canal and then a third one over the RR.
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post Feb 24 2020, 08:42 AM
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I am convinced there is an ulterior motive behind the reluctance to build a bridge which I think has much validity.

The crossing provides a barrier (literally) to traffic using Crookham Hill and Thornford Road as an Eastern by-pass.
If a bridge were built the additional traffic (including HGV's) using this route would mean that a full upgrade of all the roads involved would be necessary.
Maybe the crossing is of benefit to some?? unsure.gif
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post Feb 24 2020, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 24 2020, 08:42 AM) *
I am convinced there is an ulterior motive behind the reluctance to build a bridge which I think has much validity.

The crossing provides a barrier (literally) to traffic using Crookham Hill and Thornford Road as an Eastern by-pass.
If a bridge were built the additional traffic (including HGV's) using this route would mean that a full upgrade of all the roads involved would be necessary.
Maybe the crossing is of benefit to some?? unsure.gif


Sensible evaluation. Why should the tax payer/commuter fork out in order to prevent the odd ****** thinking a railway line is akin to Thomas the tank engine? As your initial post alluded to, maybe we should send the bill to the culprit in order to send a strong message.

ps. Obviously the censor objects to my reference in the third person even though I have no idea who they are only that their intellect is sadly lacking. rolleyes.gif


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post Feb 24 2020, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 24 2020, 10:49 AM) *
Obviously the censor objects to my reference in the third person even though I have no idea who they are only that their intellect is sadly lacking. rolleyes.gif



I think that the censorship is done automatically using software rather than an individual actively scrutinising these posts.
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post Feb 24 2020, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 24 2020, 08:42 AM) *
I am convinced there is an ulterior motive behind the reluctance to build a bridge which I think has much validity.

The crossing provides a barrier (literally) to traffic using Crookham Hill and Thornford Road as an Eastern by-pass.
If a bridge were built the additional traffic (including HGV's) using this route would mean that a full upgrade of all the roads involved would be necessary.
Maybe the crossing is of benefit to some?? unsure.gif

If such a crossing were built it would result in a wholesale orgy of house building and the construction as you suggest of a by pass for thatcham, the end result being a bottleneck somewhere else and, gravel industrial extraction at Brompton. As well as loss of valuable habitat along the way.


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post Feb 24 2020, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 24 2020, 02:18 PM) *
If such a crossing were built it would result in a wholesale orgy of house building and the construction as you suggest of a by pass for thatcham, the end result being a bottleneck somewhere else and, gravel industrial extraction at Brompton. As well as loss of valuable habitat along the way.


Hurray!

Would be an answer to those living in North Thatcham who've taken more than their fair share of new homes and now expected to take more.

We'd have better access to Basingstoke and M3 corridor, without having to go on a detour through Newbury and so reduce the recognised high pollution levels on the roads. It would also reduce major traffic congestion on A4.

The area closest to the station in particular isn't of huge value horticulturaly or in wildlife terms, but fits exactly the type of accommodation WBCs master plan looks for - commuters needing started homes.

It seems to me that a bridge is essential and should be funded out of the planning gain premium. Why would anyone object? Except to try and drive the land value up. After all, the people living on the undeveloped side would benefit as their property value would increase and they are likely to have more amenities as the infrastructure gets delivered.

Against HS2 and Crossrail this is chicken feed.
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post Feb 24 2020, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Feb 24 2020, 03:26 PM) *
Hurray!
Would be an answer to those living in North Thatcham who've taken more than their fair share of new homes and now expected to take more.

Really? When I moved here the depot was a depot and where the Agricola estate is was green fields and the dip had cows grazing in it, all gone now. Don't try and whinge about development.


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 24 2020, 04:25 PM) *
Really? When I moved here the depot was a depot and where the Agricola estate is was green fields and the dip had cows grazing in it, all gone now. Don't try and whinge about development.


Whose moaning? I'm not, I already live near Thatcham Station and like quite a few neighbours quite see the point of a bridge. The trouble is, the older residents think that Thatcham is still a village; it isn't its a suburb of Newbury, just like Greenham, Wash Common, Shaw etc. Of course there were green fields at one time, as there was even in Central Reading years ago. Newbury isn't exactly a jobs hub is it? So those of us who work for a living need easy access to Basingstoke and the M3 just like my mate's firm needs to be able to get its HGVs that way too.
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post Feb 24 2020, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Feb 24 2020, 05:28 PM) *
Whose moaning? I'm not, I already live near Thatcham Station and like quite a few neighbours quite see the point of a bridge. The trouble is, the older residents think that Thatcham is still a village; it isn't its a suburb of Newbury, just like Greenham, Wash Common, Shaw etc. Of course there were green fields at one time, as there was even in Central Reading years ago. Newbury isn't exactly a jobs hub is it? So those of us who work for a living need easy access to Basingstoke and the M3 just like my mate's firm needs to be able to get its HGVs that way too.

A34.
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post Feb 24 2020, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 24 2020, 05:34 PM) *
A34.


A34? Seems a bit extreme to join the M3 north.


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post Feb 24 2020, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 24 2020, 06:02 PM) *
A34? Seems a bit extreme to join the M3 north.

You're right, after all it's not like people weren't taken by surprise by the roads system when they moved here was it. And let's not forget when your mate need to save some time getting his truck to Basingstoke.
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post Feb 24 2020, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 24 2020, 07:01 PM) *
You're right, after all it's not like people weren't taken by surprise by the roads system when they moved here was it. And let's not forget when your mate need to save some time getting his truck to Basingstoke.


I think it is safe to say that ALL towns suffer from a transport problem. The answer is to live close enough to your place of employment so walking/bus is the preferred option and not miles away just because it fits one's social standing. For too long successive administrations have used the tax system in a vain attempt to control traffic volumes so a complete rethink is long overdue.


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post Feb 24 2020, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 24 2020, 08:59 PM) *
I think it is safe to say that ALL towns suffer from a transport problem. The answer is to live close enough to your place of employment so walking/bus is the preferred option and not miles away just because it fits one's social standing. For too long successive administrations have used the tax system in a vain attempt to control traffic volumes so a complete rethink is long overdue.

I commute but have a job and a position that means I only have to spend 2 to 3 days a week in the office. And the days that I WFH I am more productive. My firm know this and encourage people to use today's collaborative tools like MS Teams. I am lucky though to be in a job where this is possible.
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post Feb 25 2020, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 24 2020, 09:35 PM) *
I commute but have a job and a position that means I only have to spend 2 to 3 days a week in the office. And the days that I WFH I am more productive. My firm know this and encourage people to use today's collaborative tools like MS Teams. I am lucky though to be in a job where this is possible.

Yeah, all very well but, you haven't got a mate with a truck, have you.
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