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Simon Kirby
post Apr 21 2016, 07:05 AM
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Madge is 90 today, and I'm wondering if she shouldn't now be our last ceremonial monarch. Hereditary overlords are just so 11th century and I wonder that we wouldn't now be a little more comfortable as a republic.


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Blake
post Apr 23 2016, 08:15 PM
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Republicans here I suspect are mostly thinly veiled Marxists just like Tony Benn was.
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Simon Kirby
post Apr 23 2016, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Apr 23 2016, 09:15 PM) *
Republicans here I suspect are mostly thinly veiled Marxists just like Tony Benn was.

You don't need to look at monarchy through the prism of dialectical materialism to see that kingship is patently absurd, and if there was any defence of a ceremonial hereditary monarchy in a modern western democracy you should be able to find it without resorting to ill-considered ad hominem.


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post Apr 25 2016, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 23 2016, 09:55 PM) *
You don't need to look at monarchy through the prism of dialectical materialism to see that kingship is patently absurd, and if there was any defence of a ceremonial hereditary monarchy in a modern western democracy you should be able to find it without resorting to ill-considered ad hominem.


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Andy Capp
post Apr 25 2016, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE (HJD @ Apr 25 2016, 04:51 PM) *
Pardon huh.gif .

One doesn't have to be a marxist to realise that having a king or queen in a modern western democracy is silly and even if there is a good reason for them, it should be able to be argued without being rude to people.
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Simon Kirby
post Apr 25 2016, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 25 2016, 05:44 PM) *
One doesn't have to be a marxist to realise that having a king or queen in a modern western democracy is silly and even if there is a good reason for them, it should be able to be argued without being rude to people.

Quite so, but more than that, the political philosophy of Marx - dialectical materialism - is bogus and doesn't even provide a valid framework within which to challenge monarchy. It's true that a Marxist is inevitably going to oppose monarchy, but supposing that a republican is a Marxist is as valid as supposing that my dog is a cat because, like a cat, it also has four legs.

I would like to abandon our ceremonial monarchy because I find it incongruous to think of myself as a feudal subject in an enlightened western democracy and see hereditary overlords as a social order much more suited to the despotic regimes of Daesh and North Korea.


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post Apr 27 2016, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 25 2016, 07:05 PM) *
I would like to abandon our ceremonial monarchy because I find it incongruous to think of myself as a feudal subject in an enlightened western democracy and see hereditary overlords as a social order much more suited to the despotic regimes of Daesh and North Korea.


You've really upped the ante from the Town Council and allotments..

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