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je suis Charlie
post May 14 2019, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 14 2019, 10:29 AM) *
Fair criticism. The 80% figure was quoted on LBC yesterday by a Labour politician and I may have misheard or misrepresented it unintentionally as "voted" as opposed to "support", but I can't find a reference to the figure on line. However polling indicates that 73% of Labour voters think Brexit is a mistake.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/j...ond-brexit-vote

"The findings ďincrease the pressure on Labourís leader to get off the fenceĒ, Bale said. ďIf Jeremy Corbyn genuinely believes, as he has repeatedly claimed, that the Labour partyís policy should reflect the wishes of its members rather than just its leaders, then he arguably has a funny way of showing it Ė at least when it comes to Brexit,Ē he said.

There was, he noted, some difference between the views of Labour voters and members. While a parallel poll of 1,675 voters found 73% of the partyís supporters believed the Brexit decision was a mistake, for members that rises to 89%."

Because the Express (good, reliable, centrist paper😎) has a poll reporting 86% of people think Farage is a good leader. Papers n polls huh. 🤔


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post May 14 2019, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 14 2019, 04:38 PM) *
Because the Express (good, reliable, centrist paper😎) has a poll reporting 86% of people think Farage is a good leader. Papers n polls huh. 🤔

Of course The Guardian are merely reporting the poll. They aren't behind it.
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post May 14 2019, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 14 2019, 04:54 PM) *
Of course The Guardian are merely reporting the poll. They aren't behind it.

Believe me when I say, the guardian is behind EVERYTHING!


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post May 14 2019, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 13 2019, 08:50 PM) *
I never voted for reform. No one would be voting for reform in a second referendum. Iíve no idea what youíre talking about.

The EU is like any entity - evolving. But we have an opt out and veto on anything we donít like.

Oh RLY?
"EU PLOT: Verhofstadt admits plan to scrap veto and FORCE EU project on member states"

Dodge that!

Express.co.uk: EU PLOT: Verhofstadt admits plan to scrap veto and FORCE EU project on member states.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/112685...n-treaty-latest



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post May 14 2019, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 14 2019, 08:24 PM) *
Oh RLY?
"EU PLOT: Verhofstadt admits plan to scrap veto and FORCE EU project on member states"

Dodge that!

Express.co.uk: EU PLOT: Verhofstadt admits plan to scrap veto and FORCE EU project on member states.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/112685...n-treaty-latest

Express.
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post May 14 2019, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 14 2019, 09:39 PM) *
Express.

May well have been. But it was Verhoftwat talking. Was it not? He wants to scrap the veto and spend 13 Billion on an EU Army... and you think Garage 😂 is a problem... he's an amateur compared to the EU cartel...they is proper #gangster
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post May 15 2019, 10:08 AM
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Well, no second referendum. It's now certainly the case that article 50 will be rescinded. Which for me personally will be a good thing, but will result in protest and dissent and I think it's a very damaging scenario for democracy in the UK. The Tories will certainly lose the next election, Labour will come in and bankrupt the nation and the far right will gain traction here as it is across Europe. So, not a happy scene overall. I would suggest that if we ever have another referendum on anything we change the law to make the result legally binding because this has been a farce.


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post May 15 2019, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 15 2019, 11:08 AM) *
Well, no second referendum. It's now certainly the case that article 50 will be rescinded. Which for me personally will be a good thing, but will result in protest and dissent and I think it's a very damaging scenario for democracy in the UK. The Tories will certainly lose the next election, Labour will come in and bankrupt the nation and the far right will gain traction here as it is across Europe. So, not a happy scene overall. I would suggest that if we ever have another referendum on anything we change the law to make the result legally binding because this has been a farce.

Did you decide this? First Iíve heard.
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post May 15 2019, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 15 2019, 12:08 PM) *
Did you decide this? First Iíve heard.

They have a choice, no deal or rescind. Which one do you think they'll choose?


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post May 15 2019, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 15 2019, 12:40 PM) *
They have a choice, no deal or rescind. Which one do you think they'll choose?


It depends on how well the Brexit Party get on next week in the European elections. If they do as well as everybody is expecting them to then there will be additional pressure to go down the no deal route.
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post May 15 2019, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 15 2019, 12:40 PM) *
They have a choice, no deal or rescind. Which one do you think they'll choose?

Where have you read this?
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post May 15 2019, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 15 2019, 01:24 PM) *
It depends on how well the Brexit Party get on next week in the European elections. If they do as well as everybody is expecting them to then there will be additional pressure to go down the no deal route.

The Brexit party will argue that but even if they get 35% I donít think the government should be swayed. The only way to find out what people want is a second referendum now we know what weíre facing in terms of deal / no deal.
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post May 15 2019, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 15 2019, 01:30 PM) *
The Brexit party will argue that but even if they get 35% I donít think the government should be swayed. The only way to find out what people want is a second referendum now we know what weíre facing in terms of deal / no deal.


As you are probably aware by now, I couldn't agree with you more. I was just pointing out what I think will actually happen in the event of the Brexit Party getting a large proportion of the vote rather than what I would prefer to happen.
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post May 15 2019, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 15 2019, 01:30 PM) *
The Brexit party will argue that but even if they get 35% I donít think the government should be swayed. The only way to find out what people want is a second referendum now we know what weíre facing in terms of deal / no deal.

Never going to happen, mid twenties is my bet.


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post May 15 2019, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 15 2019, 03:19 PM) *
Never going to happen, mid twenties is my bet.

37 percent is my bet...
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post May 15 2019, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 15 2019, 07:13 PM) *
37 percent is my bet...

I reckon youíre nearer and I think itís probably fair to say the majority of them want no deal.
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post May 15 2019, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 15 2019, 08:00 PM) *
I reckon youíre nearer and I think itís probably fair to say the majority of them want no deal.

Will certainly be interesting to see. I think it will be high turnout which should give a good indication of current public feeling (polls mean nothing as a lot of people don't tell the truth). If remain parties garner over 50 percent of the vote it would indicate a 2nd vote is more likely. If they don't it should be put to bed. One way or another, whether it be in or out, we need to just get on with it.
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post May 15 2019, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 15 2019, 08:20 PM) *
Will certainly be interesting to see. I think it will be high turnout which should give a good indication of current public feeling (polls mean nothing as a lot of people don't tell the truth). If remain parties garner over 50 percent of the vote it would indicate a 2nd vote is more likely. If they don't it should be put to bed. One way or another, whether it be in or out, we need to just get on with it.

So would you call Tories remain or leave? I reckon all the Tory leave voters will vote Brex****.
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post May 15 2019, 07:52 PM
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And Labour voters would definitely need to be considered remain.
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QUOTE (newres @ May 15 2019, 08:52 PM) *
And Labour voters would definitely need to be considered remain.

Some people will have voted Tory or Labour all their life and will continue to do so whether they be remain or leave. The last EU election turnout was 34%.. what's your guess? I am going for 57%...
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