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post Jul 17 2013, 08:49 AM
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http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2013/road-la...g-will-go-ahead

I agree with Mr Woodhams (surprisingly).

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Mr Woodhams said that he believed the road changes would have little impact on congestion.

He said: “From the outset the Thatcham Conservative councillors have been wracking their brains to come up with a new idea to impress motorists and residents, to reduce queueing times at the Thatcham level crossing.

“They have wasted £83,000, and the provision for a right-hand turn lane into the Thatcham sorting office … will have little to no effect on reducing these queues.


This will not reduce congestion. If people want to go into the sorting office they either go around the one-way system and out infront of everyone or just drive down the wrong side of the road. (there's nothing coming anyway).

I used to live 2 minute walk from Thatcham train station. Infact I grew up there and would go into town on the train regularly before I had a car.

A bridge is the only solution and unless they do that, anything will be a waste of money.
The sheer amount of disruption during the roadworks will cause havoc as well.


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On the edge
post Jul 17 2013, 06:50 PM
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How about working up a sensible long term real solution? This should not be considered in isolation. The size of the conurbation means the existing major routes are time expired and overloaded. A bridge, in civil engineering and cost terms is actually quite feasible. That is, if the scheme was designed and planned by civil engineers.

It would be pretty dumb as MM says to spend such a large sum on what is no more than a quick political fix with no gaurentee of success. Shades of Parkway bridge!


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post Jul 17 2013, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 17 2013, 07:50 PM) *
It would be pretty dumb as MM says to spend such a large sum on what is no more than a quick political fix with no gaurentee of success. Shades of Parkway bridge!

I don't believe the approved plan is to 'fix' the problem. I believe the idea is to make the junction work better with the limited resources available. Another one would be to have better synchronised barriers. When a fast through-train is approaching, one is only held up for a couple of minutes, but the slow train and the 'gravel train' really do test your patience. The trouble is signalling is out of bounds to the council.

At the end of the day, it is the result of a ridiculous planning decision made many years ago. I remember seeing an ambulance with flashing blue lights stopped at that crossing, and I found myself wondering what poor sod's day was being spoiled by that barrier to A & E (of course in this case, it is the decision of the driver was at fault as much as the crossing being down).

Anecdotes shouldn't on their won determine policy, but that junction is only going to get worse as the south of Newbury gets more and more populated.
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- motormad   Thatcham Railway Crossing   Jul 17 2013, 08:49 AM
- - Biker1   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 09:49 AM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 09:30 AM
|- - MontyPython   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:30 AM) Ab...   Jul 17 2013, 10:32 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 17 2013, 11:32 A...   Jul 17 2013, 11:10 AM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 17 2013, 11:32 A...   Jul 17 2013, 07:31 PM
- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:30 AM) Ab...   Jul 17 2013, 12:50 PM
- - motormad   So you think that £83k is a good use ("not a ...   Jul 17 2013, 01:00 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 02:00 PM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 01:36 PM
- - On the edge   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 09:49 AM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 01:49 PM
- - motormad   So basically what you are saying is that anything ...   Jul 17 2013, 01:49 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 02:49 PM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 03:37 PM
|- - MontyPython   As I am not over familiar with the area so have lo...   Jul 17 2013, 05:31 PM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 17 2013, 08:00 PM)...   Jul 17 2013, 09:25 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 10:25 PM) ...   Jul 18 2013, 08:57 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 09:57 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 09:06 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:06 AM) Th...   Jul 18 2013, 09:14 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 10:14 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 09:22 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:22 AM) Ca...   Jul 18 2013, 10:42 AM
|- - MontyPython   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 11:42 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 12:35 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 18 2013, 01:35 P...   Jul 18 2013, 01:21 PM
- - On the edge   Like it or not Newbury/Thatcham is already a large...   Jul 17 2013, 09:09 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 17 2013, 07:50 P...   Jul 18 2013, 12:15 AM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 18 2013, 01:15 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 07:58 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 18 2013, 01:15 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 09:02 AM
- - On the edge   Wow and there it is! Nowt will replace the ...   Jul 18 2013, 05:18 AM
|- - BMR   I got bored with all the talk about a bridge while...   Jul 18 2013, 07:32 AM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:22 AM) Ca...   Jul 18 2013, 10:21 AM
- - On the edge   Isn't it rather odd that the preferred solutio...   Jul 18 2013, 01:14 PM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 18 2013, 02:14 P...   Jul 18 2013, 02:53 PM
- - Nothing Much   This discussion has been going on for so long that...   Jul 18 2013, 03:36 PM
- - Simon Kirby   Like OtE said, now's actually quite a good tim...   Jul 18 2013, 06:26 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 07:26 P...   Jul 18 2013, 06:31 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM) Se...   Jul 18 2013, 06:37 PM
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||- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:41 PM) Bu...   Jul 18 2013, 07:02 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM) Se...   Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM
- - JeffG   My opinion is that Newbury/Thatcham now needs an E...   Jul 18 2013, 07:22 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 18 2013, 08:22 PM) My ...   Jul 18 2013, 07:32 PM
||- - motormad   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 08:32 P...   Jul 18 2013, 07:52 PM
||- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 18 2013, 08:52 PM) ...   Jul 18 2013, 08:28 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 18 2013, 08:22 PM) My ...   Jul 18 2013, 07:47 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 08:47 PM) Wh...   Jul 18 2013, 08:04 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 09:04 P...   Jul 18 2013, 10:50 PM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 11:50 PM) If...   Jul 19 2013, 11:02 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 19 2013, 12:02 PM) ...   Jul 19 2013, 07:20 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 18 2013, 02:14 P...   Jul 18 2013, 09:09 PM
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- - spartacus   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 09:28 P...   Jul 18 2013, 09:13 PM
- - Berkshirelad   I notice that the Cllr concerned bemoans traffic c...   Jul 18 2013, 09:14 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 18 2013, 10:19 P...   Jul 18 2013, 11:54 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 11:50 PM) Th...   Jul 19 2013, 12:01 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 19 2013, 02:01 AM)...   Jul 19 2013, 05:12 AM
- - Simon Kirby   I don't see the existing traffic hold-ups at t...   Jul 19 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 19 2013, 08:58 P...   Jul 21 2013, 06:40 AM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 21 2013, 07:40 A...   Jul 21 2013, 08:06 AM
|- - On the edge   Deleted duplicate   Jul 21 2013, 02:14 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (blackdog @ Jul 21 2013, 09:06 AM) ...   Jul 21 2013, 02:19 PM
- - NWNREADER   With (Local) Government finance you have to have t...   Jul 21 2013, 11:39 AM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jul 21 2013, 12:39 PM)...   Jul 21 2013, 12:44 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jul 21 2013, 01:44 PM) ...   Jul 21 2013, 01:00 PM
- - Simon Kirby   One problem with a brave visionary plan is that we...   Jul 21 2013, 04:19 PM
- - user23   Isn't the crossing owned by Network Rail?   Jul 21 2013, 06:57 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (user23 @ Jul 21 2013, 07:57 PM) Is...   Jul 21 2013, 07:47 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jul 21 2013, 08:47 PM)...   Jul 22 2013, 09:54 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 22 2013, 10:54 PM) It...   Jul 23 2013, 12:17 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 23 2013, 02:17 PM)...   Sep 4 2013, 08:54 PM
- - Biker1   I have just been past the new layout at this locat...   Sep 4 2013, 08:50 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 09:50 PM) I h...   Sep 4 2013, 09:02 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 4 2013, 11:02 PM) ...   Sep 4 2013, 09:24 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:24 PM) OK ...   Sep 4 2013, 09:28 PM
- - Biker1   I think Network Rail would like, in the ideal worl...   Sep 4 2013, 09:35 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:35 PM) I t...   Sep 4 2013, 09:43 PM
- - motormad   Ergo Network Rail should pay for it. It's thei...   Sep 4 2013, 09:55 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 4 2013, 10:55 PM) E...   Sep 4 2013, 11:33 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 5 2013, 01:33 AM) I...   Sep 5 2013, 07:20 AM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 5 2013, 08:20 AM) Qui...   Sep 5 2013, 11:18 AM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 5 2013, 12:18 PM) I...   Sep 5 2013, 07:18 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Sep 5 2013, 08:18 PM) ...   Sep 5 2013, 08:26 PM
- - Strafin   Network Rail love splashing the cash around!   Sep 4 2013, 09:57 PM
- - motormad   It's ok, it didn't make sense to me either...   Sep 5 2013, 07:54 AM
- - JeffG   I think what is meant is that if rail was subsidis...   Sep 5 2013, 09:19 AM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 5 2013, 10:19 AM) I th...   Sep 5 2013, 11:29 AM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 12:29 PM) K...   Sep 5 2013, 11:53 AM
- - Andy Capp   I understand that it was Tory policy (Mrs T?) to t...   Sep 5 2013, 10:20 AM
- - motormad   That was one example and you know it. We all see h...   Sep 5 2013, 12:06 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 01:06 PM) T...   Sep 5 2013, 12:11 PM
|- - Berkshirelad   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 5 2013, 01:11 PM) a...   Sep 5 2013, 08:50 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 5 2013, 09:50 P...   Sep 5 2013, 08:55 PM
- - motormad   It's not the love of internal combustion. It...   Sep 5 2013, 01:06 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 02:06 PM) I...   Sep 5 2013, 01:10 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 02:06 PM) I...   Sep 5 2013, 07:24 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 5 2013, 08:24 PM) Why?...   Sep 5 2013, 08:15 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Sep 5 2013, 09:15 PM) ...   Sep 5 2013, 08:17 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 5 2013, 09:17 PM) ...   Sep 5 2013, 08:27 PM
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- - Andy Capp   At the end of the day, both methods of transport h...   Sep 5 2013, 01:29 PM
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