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Sep 12 2012, 05:39 PM
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It came up in another thread, but the Green Party's profile has been raised lately with their election of a new leader, and Brighton elected a Green MP last time around so they are a credible national party now, and it won't have escaped you that their local party activist is a reasonably active contributor to this forum. The party is a little left-wing for me but it also uniquely represents very many of the values that are important to me such as fairness, decency, and openness. It has strong support for tradesunionism which is important to me, and of course is very strong on its founding values of sustainability, and while I'm not an environmental hairshirtist, I feel passionately about the need to protect our natural environment and its wildlfe, and as an allotmenteer and vegetarian I not surprisingly have firm views on farming and food production which put me firmly in the Green camp. If you want to understand what they stand for you can read about it here. I'm not happy with how the Tories nationally are listing aimlessly to the right, I'm unimpressed with Labour's inability to mount an effective opposition, and I despair at the local self-serving establishment lib dem and tory toadies, so I would be pleased to see the Greens locally up their game.
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Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
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Sep 12 2012, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Sep 12 2012, 07:06 PM) I belong to the hang em high strain of politics myself. I just have visions of being told personal transport is the Devil's tool by someone who then drives off in their range rover. It's all a bit too hypocritical for my taste. Don't want to argue about it, just my point of view. Meanwhile kudos to Simon for the new thread. Thanks Penny. As it is, personal transport is one of the things I also like, and I know it has an environmental impact, but the convenience and indulgence of being able to drive out for the day just for the pleasure of it is worth so much to me. I don't drive a personal 4x4, but if I could afford to I would, with a big feck-off V8. That all consumes copious amounts of energy, and that's the problem, both the CO2, and perhaps even more ominously the problem of peak oil. For me the answer is to replace coal, gas, and oil with native renewables, but with Patterson at Environment that doesn't have a chance, but I'm also unimpressed with the Green's hairshirt approach to the energy crisis.
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Sep 12 2012, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 12 2012, 07:24 PM) It's not politics or even party's that are the problem; it is the people who do and don't vote for them. Good point but how do you motivate them?
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Sep 12 2012, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 12 2012, 09:19 PM) Good point but how do you motivate them? I'm not sure. I'm not even sure if democracy is necessarily all it is cracked up to be. Especially the commercialised version we have today.
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Sep 12 2012, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 12 2012, 09:26 PM) I'm not sure. I'm not even sure if democracy is necessarily all it is cracked up to be. Especially the commercialised version we have today. I don't think you are alone with that view which is a bit of a worry - specially as the alternatives don't seem very palatable.
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Sep 12 2012, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 12 2012, 09:26 PM) I'm not sure. I'm not even sure if democracy is necessarily all it is cracked up to be. Especially the commercialised version we have today. I came to Newbury in the early 1960s to work directly for the then MD of Plenty. I remember him passing a comment about democracy. He said it was ‘a system to live by for those that could afford’.
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Sep 13 2012, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE (Ron @ Sep 13 2012, 12:01 AM) I came to Newbury in the early 1960s to work directly for the then MD of Plenty. I remember him passing a comment about democracy. He said it was ‘a system to live by for those that could afford’. And the alternative to democracy is?
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Sep 13 2012, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 13 2012, 09:35 AM) Dictatorship, Communism, Monarchy rule, and maybe even peoples co-operative? I can't see any of those being preferable except maybe the latter though how it would work, taking into account people's natural greed, I'm not sure.
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Sep 13 2012, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 13 2012, 09:42 AM) I can't see any of those being preferable except maybe the latter though how it would work, taking into account people's natural greed, I'm not sure. You didn't ask for preferable!
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Sep 13 2012, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 13 2012, 01:47 PM) You didn't ask for preferable! No, but some were saying that democracy isn't working thus implying there may be something better. Or does it just need improving upon?
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Sep 13 2012, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 13 2012, 03:16 PM) No, but some were saying that democracy isn't working thus implying there may be something better. Or does it just need improving upon? It is not that is is not working, only that it is faulty. Philosophically speaking, why is it assumed that mankind is best served by democracy?
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