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> Another long road closure by TVP, A fatal RTA yes; but 12 hours road closure
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post Feb 12 2013, 05:57 PM
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I still find hard to compehend, even when crash is fatal, why TVP feel justified in keeping main route in Reading closed, for half a day.

Surely they could gather enough evidence after just a few hours; I recall they invested in some new laser measuring equipment recently so closures would be for less duration?



It was total unnecessary loss of life caused by young driver feeling invincible it seems,
ignoring police directions to stop.

The story involved.
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post Feb 12 2013, 07:51 PM
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I'm not an expert. How long does it take to do a detailed crash investigation?
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post Feb 12 2013, 08:09 PM
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Probably around half a day.
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post Feb 12 2013, 08:17 PM
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Is it wrong to find one's self thinking "good, that's one less idiot on the road"?

Or is it just old age creeping in?
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post Feb 12 2013, 09:09 PM
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Not sure it's anything to do with age, you just sound mean.
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post Feb 12 2013, 09:12 PM
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I guess they will close a road for as long as it takes to cover up any evidence against them.
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post Feb 12 2013, 09:13 PM
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Given today's compensation culture and the long and tedious arguments after the event I'm not surprised the Police want the full Monty evidence wise. Simply covering backsides!


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post Feb 13 2013, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 12 2013, 09:09 PM) *
Not sure it's anything to do with age, you just sound mean.


Kind of mean.
It was a shame to lose a young life and it's a bit of a stupid thing to have happened. Although it's stupid, it's not on the same level as that Ford River Crossing thing.

Aside from the questionable comments of "just another young driver thinking they are invincible", because yes, running from the police makes you feel invincible..... ???? rolleyes.gif
We do not know the circumstances surrounding the accident. Who knows what has gone on?
On an unrelated note that looks like it's on the A33 near the new development, it's basically a straight road... how do you manage to crash there lol.

The comments on the Daily Mail infuriate me, I'd like to really see the kind of racist slash biggot slash communist person who takes any pleasure in reading anything posted on their website or printed in their paper, or posting on their message boards. Yeah, no seatbelt, ohhh bet no insurance, ohhhh young drivers tearing it up everywhere, ohhhh this and that, makes me want to drive my car into their living room (not that I would tongue.gif) and frankly as a young driver (there is no correlation between age and quality of driving let's remember) I'm sort of sick of the barage of hatred we get.
Just wait till 3am and I sit outside your house on the rev limiter, then you can get angry. But the majority of us just want to have fun sitting peacefully in a car park drinking fizzy beverages.

There are times where it's better for the police to just back off and leave it because in most cases cars are quite easily traceable and Reading has a big infrastructure of cameras for road monitoring so it's not like they would not have found him.

However I'm not going to stray away from the fact that matey driving it should have pulled over in the first instance and there's no excuse for not doing so. That is also a major trunk road (basically the only way in and out of Reading from the motorway side) and 12 hours is a stupidly long amount of time. At the end of the day no-one else was reported as being involved, there should be video evidence on the police car (assuming it's a traffic car as I don't think Panda cars can actually engage in a "chase") - and well it does not take 12 hours to say "yup, the car crashed here and ended up here" and take a few photos.



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post Feb 13 2013, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 13 2013, 02:51 AM) *
However I'm not going to stray away from the fact that matey driving it should have pulled over in the first instance and there's no excuse for not doing so.

And therein lies the crux of the whole matter.
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post Feb 13 2013, 12:35 PM
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If the originally story is read properly, the IPCC is involved and they will manage the investigation, it will ultimately be their decision how long the road is closed for.

I am sure it has been said previosuly on this forum and in others, if it was your son or daughter involved, you would want a very thorough and detailed investigation done, yes I appreciate this inconveniences people going about their daily business, but at least they are alive and well and able to still go about their business, all be it a little delayed!!
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post Feb 13 2013, 01:35 PM
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Although it's stupid, it's not on the same level as that Ford River Crossing thing.


Quite correct. Ignoring a police request to stop is far, far more stupid than mis-judging the depth of water at a ford you are unfamiliar with.

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post Feb 13 2013, 02:02 PM
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Latest reports suggest that it wasn't "just" a collision; the driver performed a u-turn, crashed into the central reservation, was thrown from his vehicle and then hit by one or more pursuing polices vehicles.

Hardly surprising that the road was closed for so long for investigations to be carried out.
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post Feb 13 2013, 03:15 PM
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Ah, the folly of youth, still, could have been worse, might of hurt an innocent member of the public.
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post Feb 13 2013, 06:48 PM
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Yes, the folly of the Youth. It could have easily been someone with hair growing out of their ears.

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 13 2013, 01:35 PM) *
Although it's stupid, it's not on the same level as that Ford River Crossing thing.


Quite correct. Ignoring a police request to stop is far, far more stupid than mis-judging the depth of water at a ford you are unfamiliar with.


That is arguable.
I believe it's more stupid to drive into a Ford than it is to run away. Choosing to run from the police is a concious decision, you don't do it on Autopilot unlike the people in the ford story(stories) we have read so much about.


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post Feb 13 2013, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 13 2013, 06:48 PM) *
Yes, the folly of the Youth. It could have easily been someone with hair growing out of their ears.



That is arguable.
I believe it's more stupid to drive into a Ford than it is to run away. Choosing to run from the police is a concious decision, you don't do it on Autopilot unlike the people in the ford story(stories) we have read so much about.

So because you decide to do something that makes it more acceptable, less stupid.

ergo - If I decide to swerve in order to hit a cat in the road, that is less stupid than hitting a cat because I didn't see it.
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post Feb 13 2013, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 13 2013, 12:51 AM) *
..(there is no correlation between age and quality of driving let's remember) ..


There is lots of correlation between age and quality of driving - statistically young males are significantly more likely to be involved in accidents than any other group. Which is why they find insurance so expensive.
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post Feb 13 2013, 08:51 PM
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Funny, another TVP thread by Gel.

The police love a good chase. This causes many deaths each year. In most cases they should not persue in my opinion.

To those lacking sympathy, he was little more than a child. Misguided obviously.
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post Feb 13 2013, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 13 2013, 07:42 PM) *
So because you decide to do something that makes it more acceptable, less stupid.

ergo - If I decide to swerve in order to hit a cat in the road, that is less stupid than hitting a cat because I didn't see it.


Uhhh.. what?

My point is, deciding to run from the police is dumb.
Driving into a Ford (you know, a big body of water with an unknown depth especially after at the end of basically the wettest year since "records began"!) at such a speed that you get stuck or worse killed because your Sat-Nav says it's fine is stupid.

And on an unrelated note, where do cats come into this? A cat is a small furry object which is cute and fluffy which perhaps at night might be hard to see. A large body of water on the other hand would be akin to driving into a Blue Whale which on the other hand is not cute and fluffy and infact rather ugly, that being said it's never the answer on QI either.


QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 13 2013, 08:37 PM) *
There is lots of correlation between age and quality of driving - statistically young males are significantly more likely to be involved in accidents than any other group. Which is why they find insurance so expensive.


Okay, and what's the average age of perhaps the World Rally Championship field, or the Formula 1 field? Not going to be in your 30s, let me tell you!!

Just because you are involved in an accident does not mean you are a "bad" driver. Perhaps less "safe", yes, and as we know, just because you have a crash does not make you a bad driver.

I know some absolutely terrible drivers who have never had an accident, purely by luck, and yet some of the best drivers I know have been unfortunate enough to be involved in some, this time by bad luck.


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post Feb 13 2013, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 13 2013, 09:13 PM) *
Uhhh.. what?



Ah, I didn't realise that this was a semantics debate.

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post Feb 13 2013, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 13 2013, 09:13 PM) *
My point is, deciding to run from the police is dumb.
Driving into a Ford (you know, a big body of water with an unknown depth especially after at the end of basically the wettest year since "records began"!) at such a speed that you get stuck or worse killed because your Sat-Nav says it's fine is stupid.

Dumb and stupid mean much the same in this argument.

QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 13 2013, 09:13 PM) *
I know some absolutely terrible drivers who have never had an accident, purely by luck, and yet some of the best drivers I know have been unfortunate enough to be involved in some, this time by bad luck.

Knowing some good or bad drivers doesn't get away from the statistic that younger drivers have more 'accidents'.
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