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dannyboy
post Jan 27 2011, 12:18 AM
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According to ITV & EuroRAP Newbury, at 36 injuries/deaths per 100000 people, has the safest roads of any town city in Britain.

The worst was Brighton, at 154 - Brighton Council blamed injuries to pedestrians for the low score. Victory for the bollards?

Programme was a repeat from 2008.
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post Jan 27 2011, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 27 2011, 12:18 AM) *
According to ITV & EuroRAP Newbury, at 36 injuries/deaths per 100000 people, has the safest roads of any town city in Britain. The worst was Brighton, at 154 - Brighton Council blamed injuries to pedestrians for the low score. Victory for the bollards?

It must be thanks to them. Before the bollards it was carnage in town.
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post Jan 27 2011, 01:08 AM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 27 2011, 12:46 AM) *
It must be thanks to them. Before the bollards it was carnage in town.

I remember it well. Death Race 2000.

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post Jan 27 2011, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 27 2011, 01:18 AM) *
According to ITV & EuroRAP Newbury, at 36 injuries/deaths per 100000 people, has the safest roads of any town city in Britain.

The worst was Brighton, at 154 - Brighton Council blamed injuries to pedestrians for the low score. Victory for the bollards?

Programme was a repeat from 2008.

It's not roads that cause accidents, it is the people.
Thus we have the safest road users in Newbury.
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post Jan 27 2011, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 27 2011, 01:08 AM) *
I remember it well. Death Race 2000.


Were bollard victims included in the figures I ask? Are they just massaging them and not telling us about the victims that have been impaled / speared by them. The rivers of blood around town after a bollard collision must be great as I always see lots of sand and clearing up after an impalement.
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post Jan 27 2011, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 27 2011, 01:06 PM) *
Were bollard victims included in the figures I ask? Are they just massaging them and not telling us about the victims that have been impaled / speared by them. The rivers of blood around town after a bollard collision must be great as I always see lots of sand and clearing up after an impalement.

We are slipping into another bollard debate here but anyway.................
It would appear they, or some deterrent, are needed because have you noticed how many errant drivers have strayed into the "pedestrian" area while they have been out of action?
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post Jan 27 2011, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 27 2011, 11:46 AM) *
We are slipping into another bollard debate here but anyway.................It would appear they, or some deterrent, are needed because have you noticed how many errant drivers have strayed into the "pedestrian" area while they have been out of action?

I have not heard of any RTAs whilst this is the case.
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post Jan 27 2011, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 27 2011, 01:50 PM) *
I have not heard of any RTAs whilst this is the case.

So are you suggesting we have a "pedestrianised" area but allow it to self police until there is an accident?
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post Jan 27 2011, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 27 2011, 11:51 AM) *
So are you suggesting we have a "pedestrianised" area but allow it to self police until there is an accident?

No.
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post Jan 27 2011, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 27 2011, 01:58 PM) *
No.

OK..........so what were you suggesting by saying "I have not heard of any RTAs whilst this is the case."
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post Jan 27 2011, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 27 2011, 12:01 PM) *
OK..........so what were you suggesting by saying "I have not heard of any RTAs whilst this is the case."

That drivers navigating through the pedestrianised zone haven't yet caused any accidents. Perhaps the 'danger' isn't that great.
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post Jan 27 2011, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 27 2011, 02:03 PM) *
That drivers navigating through the pedestrianised zone haven't yet caused any accidents. Perhaps the 'danger' isn't that great.

It's not so much the danger (although this is present when vehicles are allowed) but the fact that people want to go about their visit to the town without the presence of motor vehicles which pollute and have to be dodged.
(Although I agree that, due to the admittance of buses and bicycles , this is still and issue.)
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post Jan 27 2011, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 27 2011, 11:06 AM) *
Were bollard victims included in the figures I ask? Are they just massaging them and not telling us about the victims that have been impaled / speared by them.

National Accident Statistics are measured by KSI figures (Killed or Seriously Injured). Whilst banging into those pesky bollards may (1) rattle a tooth or two, (2) result in a nose bleed at worst (3) or may need the errant driver to seek a change of underwear, these terrible accidents don't generally even result in an airbag being deployed.... (Write off possibly due to suspension damage but seldom is an airbag necessary)

If there's an injury it will be recorded as 'Slight' at best (most likely being a 'whiplash claimant' thinking they'll be able to take WBC to the cleaners...)
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post Jan 27 2011, 05:51 PM
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How can you have a serious accident with traffic flow as slow as Newbury's?
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post Jan 27 2011, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 27 2011, 05:51 PM) *
How can you have a serious accident with traffic flow as slow as Newbury's?

It is down to the outcome, not just the speed of the vehicles. Little old person knocked over by car going at 10mph breaks hip - serious. Athletic young person bumped by car going at 10mph, grazed and bruied - slight injury.

I believe 'serious' is 'hospitalised for at least one night/limb fracture etc, so broken finger doesn't hit the spot.

Some spectacular crashes lead to little/no injury, minor bumps can cause a death....
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post Jan 27 2011, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 27 2011, 06:31 PM) *
Some spectacular crashes lead to little/no injury, minor bumps can cause a death....

Modern car design is such that the panels and fittings absorb the energy that would otherwise rattle you to bits, hence drivers walking away from write-offs with nothing more than a scratch. Pedestrian don't normally come with crumple zones.... (though my beer gut could probably stop a rhino...)
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post Jan 27 2011, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (spartacus @ Jan 27 2011, 06:36 PM) *
Modern car design is such that the panels and fittings absorb the energy that would otherwise rattle you to bits, hence drivers walking away from write-offs with nothing more than a scratch. Pedestrian don't normally come with crumple zones.... (though my beer gut could probably stop a rhino...)


There is a little bit of structure that holds your aorta in place, attched to the rear of it. In an instant deceleration much more than a 20mph impact it is liable to rupture. Few survive a ruptured aorta.
The body is very much reliant on the crumple of the car body, the hold of the seat belt/air bag and the cushioning of the ribcage to translate a high speed crash to the sort of deceleration that can be coped with.
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post Jan 27 2011, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 27 2011, 05:51 PM) *
How can you have a serious accident with traffic flow as slow as Newbury's?

There have been two fatalities on the A339 between the Robin Hood and Sainsbury's roundabout in the recent past (since the figures posted by the OP were published).

AndI wonder what is the area covered as 'Newbury' in the statistics quoted.
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post Jan 27 2011, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jan 27 2011, 09:21 PM) *
There have been two fatalities on the A339 between the Robin Hood and Sainsbury's roundabout in the recent past (since the figures posted by the OP were published).

AndI wonder what is the area covered as 'Newbury' in the statistics quoted.


Look again at the OP - refers to a 2008 TV programme repeated. It means that data is probably for 2007. The annual report comes out in June and is - I think - for the previous calendar year.
The area is the W Berks geographic one, including Highway Agency roads (M4/A34)
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post Jan 27 2011, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 27 2011, 09:37 PM) *
Look again at the OP - refers to a 2008 TV programme repeated. It means that data is probably for 2007. The annual report comes out in June and is - I think - for the previous calendar year.

Which is why I noted that the two fatalities had happened since that data was published.

QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 27 2011, 09:37 PM) *
The area is the W Berks geographic one, including Highway Agency roads (M4/A34)

So the slower traffic flow in Newbury is not a reason for low casualty rate.
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