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Blake
post Dec 13 2016, 08:28 PM
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As part of my overall commitment to reducing my carbon footprint and moving evermore toward living sustainably, I am looking to buy a hydrogen-powered car like a Toyota Mirai.

Does anyone know any gas stations in West Berkshire that currently supply hydrogen to the consumer?
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post Dec 16 2016, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 15 2016, 10:19 AM) *
And stop buying goods from supermarkets that use diesel lorries for deliveries, and stop using diesel trains.
And cruise liners, and container ships.
You post as if petrol vehicles breath out fresh air!
Sorry to be cynical here but people seem to want the best of both worlds.
A nice comfortable modern lifestyle but not pay the environmental price?

..and let's not forget the environmental impact every time a plane jets us off somewhere nice. We all like to go on holiday don't we?


Rather than just pretend it's nasty diesel cars clogging up your air passages lets calculate CO2 emissions from fuel consumption per flight.

A Boeing 737-400 jet is typically used for short international flights.

For a distance of 926 km the amount of fuel used is estimated to be 3.61 tonnes, including taxiing, take-off, cruising and landing.

Using a seating capacity of 164 and an average seat occupancy (or 'load factor') of 65%, this gives a fuel use of 36.6g per passenger km.

CO2 emissions from aviation fuel are 3.15 grams per gram of fuel, which gives CO2 emissions from a Boeing 737-400 of 115 g per passenger km.

At a cruising speed of 780 km per hour, this is equivalent to 90 kg CO2 per hour.

The corresponding figures for a Boeing 747-400 (used for long distance international flights) are:
Distance: 5556 km
Fuel used: 59.6 tonnes
Seats: 416
Seat occupancy: 80%
Fuel use: 32.2 g per passenger km
CO2 emissions: 101 g per passenger km
Cruising speed: 910 km per hour
CO2 emissions: 92 kg CO2 per hour

So for both aircraft, the emissions are around 90 kg CO2 per hour.

These CO2 emissions are generally into the high atmosphere, and this is thought to have a greater greenhouse effect than CO2 released at sea level. The emissions are therefore adjusted by multiplication by a factor of 2.00 (see 'Radiative forcing' below) to give 180 kg CO2 equivalent per hour.

Further allowance is needed for fossil fuel energy used in :
• extraction and transport of crude oil
• inefficiencies in refineries (around 7%)
• aircraft manufacture and maintenance, and staff training
• airport construction, maintenance, heating, lighting etc.

The CO2 emissions are therefore rounded up and the Carbon Independent calculator takes a values of 250 kg i.e. ¼ tonne CO2 equivalent per hour flying.

And there are planes taking off and landing every second of the day...

(source: http://www.carbonindependent.org/sources_aviation.html )
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- Blake   Hydrogen Fuel Supplies?   Dec 13 2016, 08:28 PM
- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Blake @ Dec 13 2016, 08:28 PM) As ...   Dec 13 2016, 09:39 PM
- - spartacus   Brave you. We need pioneers such as you to Beta te...   Dec 14 2016, 12:13 AM
|- - Blake   QUOTE (spartacus @ Dec 14 2016, 12:13 AM)...   Dec 14 2016, 08:47 AM
||- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Blake @ Dec 14 2016, 08:47 AM) If ...   Dec 14 2016, 09:15 AM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (spartacus @ Dec 14 2016, 12:13 AM)...   Dec 16 2016, 09:29 AM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (motormad @ Dec 16 2016, 09:29 AM) ...   Dec 16 2016, 07:45 PM
- - Biker1   QUOTE (Blake @ Dec 13 2016, 10:28 PM) As ...   Dec 14 2016, 09:47 AM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 14 2016, 09:47 AM) Go...   Dec 14 2016, 11:18 AM
|- - Berkshirelad   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2016, 11:18 AM) Pet...   Dec 14 2016, 11:37 AM
||- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Dec 14 2016, 11:37 ...   Dec 14 2016, 06:04 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2016, 11:18 AM) Pet...   Dec 14 2016, 12:44 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 14 2016, 02:44 PM)...   Dec 14 2016, 02:52 PM
|- - Blake   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 14 2016, 12:44 PM)...   Dec 14 2016, 06:20 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Blake @ Dec 14 2016, 06:20 PM) You...   Dec 14 2016, 07:46 PM
||- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 14 2016, 09:46 PM)...   Dec 14 2016, 08:49 PM
||- - Blake   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 14 2016, 08:49 PM) An...   Dec 14 2016, 11:29 PM
||- - Biker1   QUOTE (Blake @ Dec 15 2016, 12:29 AM) Yes...   Dec 15 2016, 09:27 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Blake @ Dec 14 2016, 08:20 PM) You...   Dec 14 2016, 08:47 PM
|- - Blake   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 14 2016, 08:47 PM) Wo...   Dec 14 2016, 11:30 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Blake @ Dec 15 2016, 12:30 AM) I h...   Dec 15 2016, 01:21 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Blake @ Dec 15 2016, 12:30 AM) I h...   Dec 15 2016, 09:28 AM
- - Turin Machine   Or use a diesel.   Dec 14 2016, 12:04 PM
- - JeffG   QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Dec 14 2016, 11:37 ...   Dec 14 2016, 12:31 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2016, 12:31 PM) Sin...   Dec 14 2016, 12:46 PM
||- - JeffG   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 14 2016, 12:46 PM)...   Dec 14 2016, 01:27 PM
||- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2016, 02:27 PM) On ...   Dec 14 2016, 06:05 PM
||- - JeffG   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Dec 14 2016, 06:05...   Dec 15 2016, 09:44 AM
||- - Biker1   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 15 2016, 10:44 AM) Rem...   Dec 15 2016, 10:19 AM
||- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 15 2016, 10:44 AM) Fro...   Dec 17 2016, 01:17 PM
||- - On the edge   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 17 2016, 01...   Dec 17 2016, 08:16 PM
|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2016, 01:31 PM) And...   Dec 14 2016, 12:48 PM
- - Turin Machine   There simply ain't no such thing as a free lun...   Dec 14 2016, 10:29 PM
- - Turin Machine   Looks like London isn't banning diesels anytim...   Dec 15 2016, 12:45 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (spartacus @ Dec 16 2016, 01:09 AM)...   Dec 16 2016, 08:35 AM
- - JeffG   OK, maybe I was being a bit naïve about removing d...   Dec 16 2016, 10:37 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 16 2016, 11:37 AM) No ...   Dec 16 2016, 01:09 PM
- - JeffG   OK you win. I suggest you email the mayors of Pari...   Dec 16 2016, 02:14 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 16 2016, 03:14 PM) OK ...   Dec 16 2016, 05:54 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 16 2016, 05:54 PM) I ...   Dec 17 2016, 07:36 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 17 2016, 08:36 AM)...   Dec 17 2016, 09:11 AM
- - je suis Charlie   Its a knee jerk reaction to satisfy God knows who....   Dec 16 2016, 02:27 PM
- - Turin Machine   Gadzooks sirrah, thou speaketh most wisely!   Dec 17 2016, 07:12 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Dec 17 2016, 07:12...   Dec 17 2016, 07:50 PM
|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 17 2016, 08:50 PM) Try...   Dec 17 2016, 08:25 PM
- - Turin Machine   Sorry about that, but I had a glass of Malmsey at ...   Dec 17 2016, 07:14 PM
- - On the edge   It's all about perceptions. The make up to on...   Dec 18 2016, 07:38 AM
- - Rdg   The thing is that every barrel of crude that comes...   Dec 19 2016, 10:14 AM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Rdg @ Dec 19 2016, 10:14 AM) Hydro...   Dec 19 2016, 11:16 AM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 19 2016, 11:16 AM) Tha...   Dec 19 2016, 07:40 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (blackdog @ Dec 19 2016, 07:40 PM) ...   Dec 20 2016, 07:34 AM
- - On the edge   There was a strong view back in the mid 70's t...   Dec 19 2016, 10:42 AM
- - Rdg   I got it from this site while trying to find evide...   Dec 19 2016, 12:00 PM
- - Biker1   You can get your hydrogen car and build your wind ...   Dec 23 2016, 10:25 AM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 23 2016, 10:25 AM) Yo...   Dec 23 2016, 01:59 PM
|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 23 2016, 02:59 P...   Dec 23 2016, 04:25 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Dec 23 2016, 04:25...   Dec 23 2016, 04:40 PM
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|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 19 2017, 08:42 AM) Ju...   Jan 19 2017, 09:53 AM
- - Turin Machine   I'm afraid that when people whinge on about sa...   Jan 19 2017, 09:29 AM
- - On the edge   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 19 2017, 09:29...   Jan 19 2017, 09:55 AM
- - Biker1   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 19 2017, 10:29...   Jan 19 2017, 10:11 AM


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