Hydrogen Fuel Supplies? Options

[Blake]

As part of my overall commitment to reducing my carbon footprint and moving evermore toward living sustainably, I am looking to buy a hydrogen-powered car like a Toyota Mirai.

Does anyone know any gas stations in West Berkshire that currently supply hydrogen to the consumer?

[Biker1]

As part of my overall commitment to reducing my carbon footprint and moving evermore toward living sustainably, I am looking to buy a hydrogen-powered car like a Toyota Mirai.

Does anyone know any gas stations in West Berkshire that currently supply hydrogen to the consumer?

Good for you if that's what it will do but can someone explain how running on hydrogen reduces ones "carbon footprint".
Also wouldn't be keen on driving around with one of the most volatile gases (in liquid form) in the back!.
No worse maybe than driving around with a volatile liquid between ones legs. (Bike!).
Any answers?

[JeffG]

Good for you if that's what it will do but can someone explain how running on hydrogen reduces ones "carbon footprint".

Petrol and Diesel are hydrocarbons and produce all sorts of noxious gases as well as CO².

Burning Hydrogen just produces water (actually steam):

2H² + O² = 2H²O

(Superscripts should be subscripts of course, but I couldn't find them.)

[Andy Capp]

Petrol and Diesel are hydrocarbons and produce all sorts of noxious gases as well as CO².

Burning Hydrogen just produces water (actually steam):

2H² + O² = 2H²O

(Superscripts should be subscripts of course, but I couldn't find them.)

According to this article, the electricity required for Hydrogen production is environmentally more destructive than running a car.

"A bigger challenge presents itself when you look at how hydrogen fuel is produced in the first place. Despite its abundance within the universe, hydrogen makes up just one part-per-million of our atmosphere. There’s a huge amount of hydrogen on the surface of the planet, but the majority of this exists in chemical compounds such as water and – ironically – crude oil.

That means it’s necessary to produce hydrogen fuel industrially and, in the commercial world, as much as 95% of all hydrogen is produced by burning fossil fuels.

This leads to a false environmental economy: for a hydrogen fuel cell car to work it’s necessary to take oil, gas or coal, burn them to produce hydrogen, store that hydrogen, then use it to charge a battery, which, finally, powers the car.

Until large-scale hydrogen production becomes environmentally friendly, it makes more sense to either: burn petrol or diesel directly to power the car or use electricity straight from the grid to charge an electric car’s batteries, rather than store the energy as hydrogen in between. The majority of our electricity is still generated by burning fossil fuels but, where cars are concerned, this is actually less environmentally harmful and energy intensive than industrially producing hydrogen is"



http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/tips-and-advice/...-fuel-cell-cars

[Blake]

According to this article, the electricity required for Hydrogen production is environmentally more destructive than running a car.

"A bigger challenge presents itself when you look at how hydrogen fuel is produced in the first place. Despite its abundance within the universe, hydrogen makes up just one part-per-million of our atmosphere. There’s a huge amount of hydrogen on the surface of the planet, but the majority of this exists in chemical compounds such as water and – ironically – crude oil.

That means it’s necessary to produce hydrogen fuel industrially and, in the commercial world, as much as 95% of all hydrogen is produced by burning fossil fuels.

This leads to a false environmental economy: for a hydrogen fuel cell car to work it’s necessary to take oil, gas or coal, burn them to produce hydrogen, store that hydrogen, then use it to charge a battery, which, finally, powers the car.

Until large-scale hydrogen production becomes environmentally friendly, it makes more sense to either: burn petrol or diesel directly to power the car or use electricity straight from the grid to charge an electric car’s batteries, rather than store the energy as hydrogen in between. The majority of our electricity is still generated by burning fossil fuels but, where cars are concerned, this is actually less environmentally harmful and energy intensive than industrially producing hydrogen is"



http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/tips-and-advice/...-fuel-cell-cars

You say that, but we are gradually phasing out dirty, fossil fuels. With the huge amount of electricity now being generated by wind turbines and solar cells, hydrogen becomes a very desirable fuel and really is the answer to our (green) prayers. Bring it on!

[Biker1]

You say that, but we are gradually phasing out dirty, fossil fuels. With the huge amount of electricity now being generated by wind turbines and solar cells, hydrogen becomes a very desirable fuel and really is the answer to our (green) prayers. Bring it on!

Would you like a forest of wind turbines or acres of solar panels near your house?
The amount of these needed to substitute the fossil fuel burning power generation that we currently rely on is massive!
If the wind blows or the sun shines!!

[Blake]

Would you like a forest of wind turbines or acres of solar panels near your house?
The amount of these needed to substitute the fossil fuel burning power generation that we currently rely on is massive!
If the wind blows or the sun shines!!

I have no objections whatsoever to the proliferation or renewable energy sources or nuclear power either.

[Biker1]

I have no objections whatsoever to the proliferation or renewable energy sources.

I think you may be in a minority there.
Yet again I stand to be corrected.