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post Aug 16 2013, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:48 PM) *
Let me stop you there.

No one is forcing you to buy from them. It was your choice to buy a car and yours to buy one that runs on petrol or diesel.

If this is now proving too expensive perhaps you should reconsider your choices or move to a less desirable location where fuel costs less?

How would you feel if gas or electricity prices were varied according to the affluence of the area?
How would you feel if they told you "if you don't like it, move"?
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post Aug 16 2013, 10:51 AM
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Interesting, because both prices are slightly different, however, only to pay for the 'monopoly' bit, i.e. the distribution cost. Again, 'monopoly' comes into play here. The best 'take it or leave it' cost is the Community Charge, not much good complaining about that!

Moving is the 'o' level economics theory answer of course, but if User23 had stayed on at school and done the next levels, this would have been explained. AndyC gave a good summation, moving isn't economically viable - or we'd all be in S****horpe! Elasticity is the buzz word.


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post Aug 16 2013, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 16 2013, 11:51 AM) *
Interesting, because both prices are slightly different, however, only to pay for the 'monopoly' bit, i.e. the distribution cost. Again, 'monopoly' comes into play here. The best 'take it or leave it' cost is the Community Charge, not much good complaining about that!

Moving is the 'o' level economics theory answer of course, but if User23 had stayed on at school and done the next levels, this would have been explained. AndyC gave a good summation, moving isn't economically viable - or we'd all be in S****horpe! Elasticity is the buzz word.

Yes but user23 'solution' was never a serious proposition. Moving would just eventually 'move' the problem. No, the practical solution is to have a competitive fuel delivery market in Newbury instead of the unofficial agreement we seem to have between Tesco and Sainsbury's.

At the end of the day, the big petrol stations have found the level to balance price over sales. Newbury is (presumably) less sensitive to price hikes than other towns nearby, but that doesn't negate ones right or justification to complain. And contrary to some people's opinion, complaining about it on forums like this can sometimes have an effect, even if not in this particular case.
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post Aug 16 2013, 11:44 AM
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I seriously doubt that additional supermarket competition would actually lower prices in Newbury. Any new supermarket ( not only would they have to open a store it would have to have a petrol station ) would I fear simply charge the local 'going rate'.

For instance, Asda do not charge Swindon prices nationally I notice.
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post Aug 18 2013, 02:26 PM
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driving around 50k miles per year I do my best not to fill up in Newbury. I keep a very keen eye on prices around the whole southern UK region and there is no excuse for profiteering by the local suppliers.


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post Aug 18 2013, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE (r.bartlett @ Aug 18 2013, 03:26 PM) *
driving around 50k miles per year I do my best not to fill up in Newbury. I keep a very keen eye on prices around the whole southern UK and there is no excuse for profiteering by the local suppliers.


I wholeheartedly agree.

We are being conned. I do not believe no accept the flimsy justifications for higher gas prices here in West Berks. I would welcome an ASDA store too or else greater competition from someone ready to uncut the robbers.

Meanwhile, I run my bikes as much as I can which will all do over 120mpg. I will do this until I can buy a hybrid or electric car when I shall laugh in the faces of the fuel robbers!

Oh and Richard Benyon and Garvie; what are you doing about this? You both made a lot of noise about this and then let the issue find a laissez-faire solution which has FAILED!
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post Aug 18 2013, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (r.bartlett @ Aug 18 2013, 03:26 PM) *
driving around 50k miles per year I do my best not to fill up in Newbury. I keep a very keen eye on prices around the whole southern UK region and there is no excuse for profiteering by the local suppliers.

But it's not profiteering, not if you can choose to buy elsewhere.


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post Aug 18 2013, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Aug 18 2013, 06:20 PM) *
We are being conned.


What economy do you get from your car?


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post Aug 18 2013, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Aug 18 2013, 06:20 PM) *
I will do this until I can buy a hybrid or electric car when I shall laugh in the faces of the fuel robbers!


My diesel Golf I had before (which also had nearly 400lb ft of torque and 220+bhp, so it was pretty quick) could do 65mpg on the motorway cruise. More than basically any hybrid (and most other cars) you could get today.
And it didn't make me a joffa. A hybrid is a normal car for idiots who THINK they are saving money or doing something good for the environment when actually they're buying a normal car with a Duracel AA hidden in the boot.


With a Nissan Leaf, which is a normal, medium hatchback sized car, that you can buy today, calculate how long it would take you to drive from here to Manchester. Then calculate the time it would take to drive home again. Then you will see why I am laughing the face of the electrically powered motorist laugh.gif Electric cars have never been, and never will be the answer. Hydrogen is the only possibility which keeps our modern way of travel alive - that is, ability to fill up in 5 minutes not 5 hours, with infrastructure already in place and acceptable range


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post Aug 19 2013, 07:52 AM
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I've spoken on this issue here for many years. ASDA are the only retailer who charge a flat price for fuel. For example, the ASDA price for fuel at Kettering / Corby has been 132.9p over the weekend. In these towns, TESCO charge the same price. Where there is not an ASDA store, Tesco charge up to 6p a litre more. I wrote to TESCO CEO Phil Clarke on this issue and was then threatened with disciplinary action for raising the issue... needless to say no action was taken.

This issue will be in the national spotlight very soon, and I am doing what I can to fight the issue. Unfortunately, I can only see cheaper fuel prices in Newbury if we have a new ASDA store as TESCO, Sainsbury's and others simply do not have the stomach to take a hit on their profit margin.
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post Aug 19 2013, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 19 2013, 12:46 AM) *
Electric cars have never been, and never will be the answer. Hydrogen is the only possibility which keeps our modern way of travel alive - that is, ability to fill up in 5 minutes not 5 hours, with infrastructure already in place and acceptable range [/color]

Not sure I fancy driving around in a car that has a pressurised container of liquid hydrogen in it! ohmy.gif
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post Aug 19 2013, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 18 2013, 11:46 PM) *
My diesel Golf I had before (which also had nearly 400lb ft of torque and 220+bhp, so it was pretty quick) could do 65mpg on the motorway cruise. More than basically any hybrid (and most other cars) you could get today.
And it didn't make me a joffa. A hybrid is a normal car for idiots who THINK they are saving money or doing something good for the environment when actually they're buying a normal car with a Duracel AA hidden in the boot.


With a Nissan Leaf, which is a normal, medium hatchback sized car, that you can buy today, calculate how long it would take you to drive from here to Manchester. Then calculate the time it would take to drive home again. Then you will see why I am laughing the face of the electrically powered motorist laugh.gif Electric cars have never been, and never will be the answer. Hydrogen is the only possibility which keeps our modern way of travel alive - that is, ability to fill up in 5 minutes not 5 hours, with infrastructure already in place and acceptable range


Rubbish and erroneous; The Toyota Prius can achieve over 70 mpg. A chipped one can do over 100+ mpg. Furthermore, the mark 1 Honda Insight could easily achieve over 100mpg without trying. In addition, as the CO2 emissions of these cars are so low, you pay no road tax; what's not to like? You save gas and help cut emissions!

The range of electric cars is improving the entire time. Anyway, some models by Tesla can do over 300 miles on a charge already. Your argument is false.
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post Aug 19 2013, 08:37 AM
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No you can't get anywhere near that economy in the Prius or the Insight. What a load of tosh!! You really are clueless laugh.gif

FOR EXAMPLE -

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/toyota/prius/mpg

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Running costs are a mixed bag, though. Yes, you’ll make substantial tax savings each year and strong demand for used cars means impressive resale values.
But although real-world economy is impressive in its own right, with 56.4mpg over our touring route and 47.5mpg overall, you’ll do well to match the ‘official’ average – forums are rife with tales of owners unable to get anywhere near those figures


You also know how else I know? One of my best mates brothers has one - and he gets 45-50 to the gallon!!

I could easily get more than that in my old TDI without trying. The most economical cars out there are little eco-diesels like the Polo PooBlueMotion . I had one as a courtesy car and got over 75mpg on the trip computer without trying. I got around 220 miles from about 13 quid / 3 gallons of diesel.

The Tesla has a real world range of about 150 miles and a 16 hour recharge time.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/tesla%E2%80%9...at-up-with-dat/

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I was never so happy to get out of a $130K car in my life.


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If you were into cars you'd have an interest and knowledge about these things. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


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post Aug 19 2013, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 19 2013, 08:52 AM) *
Not sure I fancy driving around in a car that has a pressurised container of liquid hydrogen in it! ohmy.gif


can't be any worse than LPG or petrol.. but imagine, what a way to go! laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Aug 19 2013, 09:08 AM
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[quote name='motormad' post='85157' date='Aug 19 2013, 09:37 AM']laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

No you can't get anywhere near that economy in the Prius or the Insight. What a load of tosh!! You really are clueless laugh.gif

FOR EXAMPLE -

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/toyota/prius/mpg



You also know how else I know? One of my best mates brothers has one - and he gets 45-50 to the gallon!!

I could easily get more than that in my old TDI without trying. The most economical cars out there are little eco-diesels like the Polo PooBlueMotion . I had one as a courtesy car and got over 75mpg on the trip computer without trying. I got around 220 miles from about 13 quid / 3 gallons of diesel.


Which model of Tesla are you referring to?

Like I said, I stand by my assertion that the Prius and mk1 Insight can make the gas mileage figures I quoted; it depends on your driving style and terrain.

Wayne Gerdes (the Hypermiler) has even got American SUVs to get over 100mpg. It can be done if you know how!
The Tesla has a real world range of about 150 miles and a 16 hour recharge time.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/tesla%E2%80%9...at-up-with-dat/




Which model of Tesla are you referring to?

Like I said, I stand by my assertion that the Prius and mk1 Insight can make the gas mileage figures I quoted; it depends on your driving style and terrain.

Wayne Gerdes (the Hypermiler) has even got American SUVs to get over 100mpg. It can be done if you know how!
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post Aug 19 2013, 09:19 AM
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I could be a nuclear scientist, but I'm not.

I'm talking about REAL WORLD driving, not coasting around with the engine off.
You can stand by your assertion but it's completely wrong, and not based on the real world whatsoever.

After reading a bit about Wayne Gerdes, I think he's a moron.

Driving around without having the engine on, coasting up to lights and up to queues on the highway... all dangerous.
Turning the engine off is dangerous because of a) the lack of power steering and b.) the lack of servo assisted brakes which can absolutely cause an accident.

Taken from - http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/0...ccord-beat-punk

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"Buckle up tight, because this is the death turn," says Wayne. Death turn? We're moving at 50 mph. Wayne turns off the engine. He's bearing down on the exit, and as he turns the wheel sharply to the right, the tires squeal—which is what happens when you take a 25 mph turn going 50. Cathy, Terry's wife, who is sitting next to me in the backseat, grabs my leg. I grab the door handle. As we come out of the 270-degree turn, Cathy says, "I hope you have upholstery cleaner."


Yet if I were to post up saying the same, I'd be accused of being a chav, boy racer, idiot, unresponsible motorist, etc.


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post Aug 19 2013, 10:23 AM
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I sometimes go via Shell on A417 Fairford, where again there is no competition for miles.
Is a very rural location.Today's 4* price is 3p cheaper than lowest in Newbury. ie 133.9!
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post Aug 19 2013, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 19 2013, 10:19 AM) *
I could be a nuclear scientist, but I'm not.

I'm talking about REAL WORLD driving, not coasting around with the engine off.
You can stand by your assertion but it's completely wrong, and not based on the real world whatsoever.

After reading a bit about Wayne Gerdes, I think he's a moron.

Driving around without having the engine on, coasting up to lights and up to queues on the highway... all dangerous.
Turning the engine off is dangerous because of a) the lack of power steering and b.) the lack of servo assisted brakes which can absolutely cause an accident.

Taken from - http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/0...ccord-beat-punk



Yet if I were to post up saying the same, I'd be accused of being a chav, boy racer, idiot, unresponsible motorist, etc.


well said, my other half gets 60mpg on a reg basis out of her 2.0ltr diesel, thats better than a prius in real world consumption. Fuel cells are the way forward but everyone is hooked on the idea of battery power which is a compleat dead end.


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post Aug 19 2013, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Aug 19 2013, 09:09 AM) *
Rubbish and erroneous; The Toyota Prius can achieve over 70 mpg. A chipped one can do over 100+ mpg. Furthermore, the mark 1 Honda Insight could easily achieve over 100mpg without trying. In addition, as the CO2 emissions of these cars are so low, you pay no road tax; what's not to like? You save gas and help cut emissions!

The range of electric cars is improving the entire time. Anyway, some models by Tesla can do over 300 miles on a charge already. Your argument is false.


What's not to like? It's a Prius! Those things have a massive carbon footprint before they roll off the production line. You may as well buy an actual car, not a soul devoid milk float and benefit from an engaging, enjoyable driving experiece!
Anyway, the argument of buying a more fuel efficient car is not the answer to the rising petrol prices- not everybody can afford a newer and more fuel efficient car, and not everybody wants to drive some generic green peace wagon. This is about inequality in fuel prices in our area, it doesn't matter what the OP drives- his mpg is not the topic we're debating. (As for the "just move" opinion, are you kidding? Like that's a cost effective and sensible aternative, just keep quiet next time!)

The production that is needed to make a hybrid battery is as environmentally unfriendly as it gets. The nickel produced by the Canadian plant where the battery starts its life is shipped to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel goes to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. The carbon footprint attached to to manufacture is extremely high so you're not saving the world by driving one of these, at least until they can refine the process.
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post Aug 19 2013, 01:01 PM
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They're nicknamed "Toyota Pious" for nothing...
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