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post Dec 3 2012, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Dec 3 2012, 04:37 PM) *
Dodgy activities already from New Labour and Tory PCC's:

Do try to keep up - a link to that story was posted by NWNReader yesterday.
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post Dec 3 2012, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Dec 3 2012, 09:19 PM) *
Do try to keep up - a link to that story was posted by NWNReader yesterday.

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post Dec 3 2012, 11:17 PM
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Doesn't take them long does it. What sort of qualifications and of course screening do these assistants/deputies/cronies have to have before they are allowed to participate. I will be interested to see how the expense claims are dealt with as from the point of view of our local boy who lives in Kintbury he presumably has a fairly long journey to get to the "office" so they could be fairly extensive.
Talking about an office, where will that be and who provides it and who pays for it unless it's in a police station where, after the cuts, there must be stacks of space available. He will of course need computers, photocopiers, printers and a nice desk and of course a meeting room with large table and lots of chairs. The list could be endless.
I wonder how his performance in the job will be measured. I do not see how an amateur can do any better than a chief constable who has spent probably all of his/her career policing. As far as budgetary controls are concerned, the police know what they have to do and how to do it so the only plus is that he is able to squeeze more money from us to up the spend. That's what Mr S said he was going to do anyway even though he didn't say that until the job was in the bag.
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post Dec 4 2012, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Dec 3 2012, 11:17 PM) *
Doesn't take them long does it. What sort of qualifications and of course screening do these assistants/deputies/cronies have to have before they are allowed to participate. I will be interested to see how the expense claims are dealt with as from the point of view of our local boy who lives in Kintbury he presumably has a fairly long journey to get to the "office" so they could be fairly extensive.
Talking about an office, where will that be and who provides it and who pays for it unless it's in a police station where, after the cuts, there must be stacks of space available. He will of course need computers, photocopiers, printers and a nice desk and of course a meeting room with large table and lots of chairs. The list could be endless.
I wonder how his performance in the job will be measured. I do not see how an amateur can do any better than a chief constable who has spent probably all of his/her career policing. As far as budgetary controls are concerned, the police know what they have to do and how to do it so the only plus is that he is able to squeeze more money from us to up the spend. That's what Mr S said he was going to do anyway even though he didn't say that until the job was in the bag.


We should as responsible taxpayers ensure we keep reporting on the forum all the new actions that are taken regarding the PCC and his cronies as we then have the necessary data to make decisions at the next election - always assuming that anyone has any interest of course? unsure.gif


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post Dec 4 2012, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Dec 4 2012, 04:50 PM) *
We should as responsible taxpayers ensure we keep reporting on the forum all the new actions that are taken regarding the PCC and his cronies as we then have the necessary data to make decisions at the next election - always assuming that anyone has any interest of course? unsure.gif


Once they have their feet under the table, I bet there will be little information available to the great unwashed, as there was on the run up to the election. I bet less than 5% of the voting poulation had any real idea what the election was about.
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post Dec 5 2012, 10:19 PM
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As I've said before, how can we trust anyone from the big three. They are so full of corruption they have no idea how to be honest. With the risk of firing up Richard Garvie's paranoia again, I agree with the only other political voice in this forum - the police should not be a political thing.
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post Dec 5 2012, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE (Jo Pepper @ Dec 5 2012, 10:19 PM) *
As I've said before, how can we trust anyone from the big three. They are so full of corruption they have no idea how to be honest. With the risk of firing up Richard Garvie's paranoia again, I agree with the only other political voice in this forum - the police should not be a political thing.



Absolutely, let's all vote U.K.I.P instead.
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post Dec 5 2012, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (Jo Pepper @ Dec 5 2012, 10:19 PM) *
As I've said before, how can we trust anyone from the big three. They are so full of corruption they have no idea how to be honest. With the risk of firing up Richard Garvie's paranoia again, I agree with the only other political voice in this forum - the police should not be a political thing.


Hold on, wasn't I against the whole PCC project all along??
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post Dec 5 2012, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Dec 5 2012, 10:56 PM) *
Hold on, wasn't I against the whole PCC project all along??


Yup, you were, but to the more (how shall I say) table biters out there that seems to have passed them by.
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post Dec 6 2012, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Dec 5 2012, 10:56 PM) *
Hold on, wasn't I against the whole PCC project all along??

I didn't say you did. Your right wing alter ego kicked in to help your discussion too. How many log in's do you have staged on this forum?

Oh wait, that Richard Garvie paranoia must be catching.
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post Dec 9 2012, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE (Carshot @ Nov 11 2012, 10:08 AM) *
Have other readers in Newbury received correspondence/calls/callers asking for their votes in Newbury for the PCC elections this week? Other than a booklet explaining how to vote and the WBC election notice I have received no direct contact. Perhaps it is assumed I will go looking for the candidates instead of the other way around..or I am expected to look "on line"

Never got the booklet someone must have pinched it but the new PCC has his work cut out dealing with crime, You can see no crime is committed in Newbury there are too many Policemen & policewomen to deal with it we never had this many Police in Newbury let alone the Market Place on weekends and although when you speak to the Police there is no trouble in the Market Place lol they never break up any fights they never have any drunks they never had a guy back in June that had his head caved in so badly they had to get the "cleaners" in to clean up the blood from the road. The reason is because nobody presses charges no crime has been committed wow but you ask the Police how many crimes are committed at the weekend the answer is nil ask them how many incidents are logged there are a lot more. thats why there are so many Police on the streets at weekends There was never this much trouble when Taxis were able to rank in the Market place and they should be back in there although in a less crowded area and crime will fall again and the Police bill to WBC will lower
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post Dec 9 2012, 01:00 PM
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So not only a p*ss poor turnout But lots of ruined papers as well, http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/16..._n_2144173.html, although not Newbury I wonder how many of a low count were spoilt or how many more Chief Constables will refuse to work with the PCC and say s0d it and quit.
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post Dec 19 2012, 09:42 AM
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"APPOINTMENT NOT CRONYISM" SAYS NEW PCC.

"The new Police and Crime Commissioner Anthony Stansfeld has rejected claims of cronyism after appointing a fellow Conservative as his assistant."

Yer right!!! rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 19 2012, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 19 2012, 09:42 AM) *
"APPOINTMENT NOT CRONYISM" SAYS NEW PCC.

"The new Police and Crime Commissioner Anthony Stansfeld has rejected claims of cronyism after appointing a fellow Conservative as his assistant."

Yer right!!! rolleyes.gif

who is he likely to appoint? Richard Garvie?
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post Dec 19 2012, 10:36 AM
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And I read £35k a year for a PART TIME job.
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post Dec 19 2012, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Dec 19 2012, 09:44 AM) *
who is he likely to appoint? Richard Garvie?


The real question is why he actually needs 'an assistant'. He will inherit a full time secretariat! So isn't he up to the job? Shame he didn't mention that in his election address. Odd also that the political lead in the party that supported his election has said that so far we have only saved half the projected spending cuts and the next phase will be painful. If there was any integrity in politics at all, surely Mr S would not go ahead with this appointment.


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post Dec 19 2012, 01:19 PM
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I'm no fan of our police commissioner, but I think it is quite reasonable for him to go about his business as he sees fit. We might have the opportunity to protest come the next election, if things don't work out.

The only problem I have with the whole issue, and it is a big one, is that police commissioners seems more about who your party is, than the merits of your application.
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post Dec 19 2012, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 19 2012, 01:19 PM) *
I'm no fan of our police commissioner, but I think it is quite reasonable for him to go about his business as he sees fit. We might have the opportunity to protest come the next election, if things don't work out.

The only problem I have with the whole issue, and it is a big one, is that police commissioners seems more about who your party is, than the merits of your application.


Quite so, BUT he accepted the sponsorship of a party and gave the impression that he followed their values. Agree we'll have the opportunity to apply a democratic boot next election. In the meantime, I sincerely hope the sponsoring party repudiates its support otherwise the democratic action ought to be applied to anyone else it sponsors. Again, it was this party, his sponsors who wanted the Commissioners to be independent of politics. That being the case, why did they sponsor anyone? Will certainly be a good question when the doors start getting knocked for the Council elections!


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post Dec 19 2012, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 19 2012, 01:19 PM) *
I'm no fan of our police commissioner, but I think it is quite reasonable for him to go about his business as he sees fit. We might have the opportunity to protest come the next election, if things don't work out.

It may be reasonable for him to act as he sees fit, now he has been elected. Shame he didn't tell the electorate how much of the TVP budget he would be spending on giving his mate a job (no doubt reducing the number of police by one in order to pay his mate).

He might also have reasonably been expected to tell the electorate that his method of protecting the police budget was to raise our council tax.

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 19 2012, 01:19 PM) *
The only problem I have with the whole issue, and it is a big one, is that police commissioners seems more about who your party is, than the merits of your application.

I see another big problem - we have replaced a democratic committee structure with an elected dictator at great cost. The system wasn't broke - so they 'fixed' it.
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post Dec 20 2012, 12:08 AM
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Anybody know where the Thames Valley PCC has his administation headquarters. Usually when a new business starts up, it is quite keen to identify how many new jobs have been created.
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