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Timbo
post Jun 21 2012, 02:38 PM
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I am more than capable of taking what's "coming to me". What are you, part of the familes? Is big Tony going to come and kill my family.
The question is are you capable?
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Biker1
post Jun 21 2012, 09:09 PM
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Again many say it's OK and safe to ride on the pavement so again I ask - why is it not made legal then?
No-one has answered the question yet.
Again, just to make it clear, I am not arguing whether it is safe or acceptable or not, just why is it not legal??????
If it is safe and acceptable then why not make it legal????
I am sure most, if not all, who support pavement cycling on here do it responsibly but, as I have said before, many do not and I think this may be one of the reasons why.
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Andy Capp
post Jun 21 2012, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 21 2012, 10:09 PM) *
Again many say it's OK and safe to ride on the pavement so again I ask - why is it not made legal then?
No-one has answered the question yet.
Again, just to make it clear, I am not arguing whether it is safe or acceptable or not, just why is it not legal??????
If it is safe and acceptable then why not make it legal????
I am sure most, if not all, who support pavement cycling on here do it responsibly but, as I have said before, many do not and I think this may be one of the reasons why.

I'm not saying it is always safe, I am saying that sometimes it is not dangerous to pedestrians to ride on the pavement.
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post Jun 22 2012, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 21 2012, 11:04 PM) *
I'm not saying it is always safe, I am saying that sometimes it is not dangerous to pedestrians to ride on the pavement.

Agreed, so why is it not legal?
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post Jun 22 2012, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 22 2012, 09:06 AM) *
Agreed, so why is it not legal?

Because they sometimes collide with pedestrians. Isn't that dangerous?


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post Jun 22 2012, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jun 22 2012, 09:11 AM) *
Because they sometimes collide with pedestrians. Isn't that dangerous?

At last, we're getting there! rolleyes.gif
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Timbo
post Jun 22 2012, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jun 22 2012, 09:11 AM) *
Because they sometimes collide with pedestrians. Isn't that dangerous?


What about when a car collides with a pedestrian?
Should we ban driving?

I guess it's all about the "common link" in accidents. The common link is always the pedestrian, so let's ban walking. See, problem solved. laugh.gif
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post Jun 22 2012, 08:41 AM
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QUOTE (Timbo @ Jun 22 2012, 09:33 AM) *
What about when a car collides with a pedestrian?
Should be ban driving?

I guess it's all about the "common link" in accidents. The common link is always the pedestrian, so let's ban walking. See, problem solved. laugh.gif

A car is on the road legally.
A pedestrian is on the pavement legally.
A pedestrian can cross the road safely, legally.
Either cycling on the pavement is safe - then make it legal, or it is not - then keep it illegal and do something about it.
It would seem that many think it is safe, and many think it isn't.
Solution?? unsure.gif
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post Jun 22 2012, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE (Timbo @ Jun 21 2012, 02:59 PM) *
It's my right to drive. I am required to meet a minimum standard to be on the roads. I must pay for road tax, I must also carry insurance incase I am injured or be involved in an accident. I must be free from debilitating illness and must be clear minded and sober to drive.

Where as any old fart can ride a bicycle regardless of their mental state, do not carry insurance or even any identification for if involved in an accident.
What irritates me the most about you is the fact that you do not admit that there are situations where bicycles refusing to ride on the pavement can cause issues.


Driving a motorised vehicle on public roads is a priviledge, not a right, hence a licence.
If I'm held up by a cyclist, I wait.
I get held up mostly by other car drivers who have no idea of the speed limit. How many idiots tootal along Hambridge road at 28mph in a 40 limit? or, on the A4 to Readiing, they cause a great deal of frustration.

Like I said, chill out


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post Jun 22 2012, 08:49 AM
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x2lls, I am chilled. The only thing that's making me unchilled is you telling me to chill.

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 22 2012, 09:41 AM) *
A car is on the road legally.
A pedestrian is on the pavement legally.
A pedestrian can cross the road safely, legally.
Either cycling on the pavement is safe - then make it legal, or it is not - then keep it illegal and do something about it.
It would seem that many think it is safe, and many think it isn't.
Solution?? unsure.gif
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Sensible is dull.
But it's a valid point. Things happen from time to time, accidents and what not. If that makes sense. Although it's technically illegal to ride on a pavement, as has been shown already it is enforced with discression and not really something you'd be fined for donig especially during rush hour!
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post Jun 22 2012, 08:56 AM
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QUOTE (Timbo @ Jun 22 2012, 09:49 AM) *
. Although it's technically illegal to ride on a pavement, as has been shown already it is enforced with discression and not really something you'd be fined for donig especially during rush hour!

Then make it legal!!!
It must be illegal for a reason???? unsure.gif
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post Jun 22 2012, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE (Timbo @ Jun 22 2012, 09:33 AM) *
What about when a car collides with a pedestrian?
Should be ban driving?

Cars rarely travel on the pavement.
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I guess it's all about the "common link" in accidents. The common link is always the pedestrian, so let's ban walking. See, problem solved. laugh.gif

There are many accidents that don't involve pedestrians.


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post Jun 22 2012, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 22 2012, 09:56 AM) *
Then make it legal!!!
It must be illegal for a reason???? unsure.gif

See post No 45


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post Jun 22 2012, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 22 2012, 09:56 AM) *
Then make it legal!!!
It must be illegal for a reason???? unsure.gif


It's like doing 80mph on a motorway. On a clear fairly quite day the police won't bat an eyelid. If it's foggy and icy and raining then they would probably do you!! It's easier to please more people by saying it's "illegal but discression to be used during peak periods" than to say "well it's legal but Mildred might get knocked off her zimmer frame."
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Andy Capp
post Jun 22 2012, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 22 2012, 09:24 AM) *
At last, we're getting there! rolleyes.gif

Well stop beating round the bush and spit it out! wink.gif
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post Jun 22 2012, 10:06 AM
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BREAKING NEWS. Carr tax to increase
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Timbo
post Jun 22 2012, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Jun 22 2012, 11:06 AM) *
BREAKING NEWS. Carr tax to increase


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Andy Capp
post Jun 22 2012, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 22 2012, 09:41 AM) *
It would seem that many think it is safe, and many think it isn't.
Solution?? unsure.gif
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I don't think that anyone is saying that it is always safe to ride on the pavement.

Like I said, sometimes cycling on the pavement is not dangerous to pedestrians, but sometimes it is.

To answer your substantive point: I think the situation should remain as it is: discretionary. Except, perhaps, there should be something done about the more 'aggressive' riders, but for me, this is a very low priority and doesn't merit any more legal investment.
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post Jun 22 2012, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 22 2012, 11:12 AM) *
I don't think that anyone is saying that it is always safe to ride on the pavement.

Like I said, sometimes cycling on the pavement is not dangerous to pedestrians, but sometimes it is.

To answer your substantive point: I think the situation should remain as it is, except, perhaps there should be something done about the more 'aggressive' riders, but to me, this is a very low priority and doesn't merit any more legal investment.

That' alright then.
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Andy Capp
post Jun 22 2012, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jun 22 2012, 11:16 AM) *
That' alright then.
Are you sure you're not IOMMI??

I'm not sure of anything, indeed, what does it matter if I am or not? What I will say is: I know who Iommi is in real life.
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