Thames Valley Police supports International Women’s Day, How thrilling for Sarah Thornton Options

[gel]

Hopefully they'll be supporting any for men that arise too!
Oh there aren't any, if you're white\ Caucasian.


http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newseven...m.htm?id=276293

I can think of other areas they should be prioritising

[motormad]

I maintain being a white male in this day and age automatically makes you a philander, sexist pig by default.

[Nothing Much]

And a grammatical newt
to boot
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[On the edge]

I wonder if there would be the same degree of support for International Probity in Policing Day?

[MontyPython]

My mother worked hard but could only rise to a certain level due to "the glass ceiling"

Life was tough in the greenhouse!

[Biker1]

It's amazing the extreme lengths to which the Police will go to portray and promote themselves as "diverse" and "politically correct" and yet the Stephen Lawrence case has reared its ugly head yet again!

[Andy Capp]

I maintain being a white male in this day and age automatically makes you a philander, sexist pig by default.

Fun, ennit?

[Simon Kirby]

I maintain being a white male in this day and age automatically makes you a philander, sexist pig by default.

I don't agree.

As Caucasian men we experience virtually no discrimination on the grounds of our ethnicity or gender, but non-Causacians and non-men do face discrimination, in employment and elsewhere. In general I don't like discrimination and believe in the equality of opportunity, as I'm pretty sure you do too, and if recognising International Women's Day challenges gender stereotypes and promotes equality of opportunity then that's a good thing.

If you don't believe that discrimination is still with us, you might have seen in the news that Birmingham City Council may have to sell the NEC to settle £1B of equal-pay claims.

[MontyPython]

I don't agree.

As Caucasian men we experience virtually no discrimination on the grounds of our ethnicity or gender, but non-Causacians and non-men do face discrimination, in employment and elsewhere.

We may get discrimination if going for a job and up against someone slightly less qualified but from an ethnic minority or female.

We should also bear in mind that whilst Gender Equal opportunities may be affordable for big business and can be a major struggle bordering on fatal for some small businesses.

If you don't believe that discrimination is still with us, you might have seen in the news that Birmingham City Council may have to sell the NEC to settle £1B of equal-pay claims.

That is to redress historic discrimination which is not being denied

[user23]

I don't agree.

As Caucasian men we experience virtually no discrimination on the grounds of our ethnicity or gender, but non-Causacians and non-men do face discrimination, in employment and elsewhere. In general I don't like discrimination and believe in the equality of opportunity, as I'm pretty sure you do too, and if recognising International Women's Day challenges gender stereotypes and promotes equality of opportunity then that's a good thing.

If you don't believe that discrimination is still with us, you might have seen in the news that Birmingham City Council may have to sell the NEC to settle £1B of equal-pay claims.

I'm not one for bleating about "political correctness gone mad", but the phrase "non-men" seems to fit that description perfectly.

[Andy Capp]

I'm not one for bleating about "political correctness gone mad", but the phrase "non-men" seems to fit that description perfectly.

How...why?

[Strafin]

Is women somehow deemed offensive then? Or not encompassing enough?

[Simon Kirby]

I'm not one for bleating about "political correctness gone mad", but the phrase "non-men" seems to fit that description perfectly.

Men as a group don't tend to see discrimination, but it's not just women who experience discrimination on the basis of their gender. Trans-gender and trans-sexual people for example may not necessarily self-identify as women but may see gender discrimination even though they are not men.

[Simon Kirby]

Or not encompassing enough?

That one.

[Strafin]

Men as a group don't tend to see discrimination, but it's not just women who experience discrimination on the basis of their gender. Trans-gender and trans-sexual people for example may not necessarily self-identify as women but may see gender discrimination even though they are not men.

I would have thought a trans gender would want to be referred to as a woman or man depending I which way they went. Just like the rest of us, surely that is the point of inclusion?

[Simon Kirby]

I would have thought a trans gender would want to be referred to as a woman or man depending I which way they went. Just like the rest of us, surely that is the point of inclusion?

Yes, you're absolutely right, I was mistaken. However, I was also thinking about people for whom the biological gender is ambiguous, such as those with developmental and genetic abnormalities. These people can experience discrimination because of their ambiguous gender.

[Simon Kirby]

We may get discrimination if going for a job and up against someone slightly less qualified but from an ethnic minority or female.

Yes, Caucasian men can experience discrimination because of their gender and ethnicity, but it is considerably less common than the discrimination faced by those in other demographics. Motormad's point was that the demographic is vilified, and that's not right.

We should also bear in mind that whilst Gender Equal opportunities may be affordable for big business and can be a major struggle bordering on fatal for some small businesses.

I'm guessing now that you're arguing that it should be lawful to discriminate against people who may potentially go on and have children. I don't agree, but neither do I agree completely that the burden should be carried by businesses, small or otherwise.

[MontyPython]

I'm guessing now that you're arguing that it should be lawful to discriminate against people who may potentially go on and have children. I don't agree, but neither do I agree completely that the burden should be carried by businesses, small or otherwise.

Indeed - for a very small business this could be too much of a burden - and thereby threaten other peoples jobs.

In general though I am in support of both maternity pay and the right for women to be promoted on an equal footing.

[Simon Kirby]

Indeed - for a very small business this could be too much of a burden - and thereby threaten other peoples jobs.

In general though I am in support of both maternity pay and the right for women to be promoted on an equal footing.

Quite, but I'm not so convinced by maternity pay. I see having a family as a private matter and I don't see why the employer or the state should get involved. If companies want to offer maternity benefits as part of their benefits package to attract the right people then great, crack on, but I don't really see why companies should be obliged to support people in their private choices.

[newres]

I'm not one for bleating about "political correctness gone mad", but the phrase "non-men" seems to fit that description perfectly.

How about "phallicly challenged"?