Incident at London Bridge, Why do Abbott and co insist on calling them "Incidents" Options

[Turin Machine]

And should we forever make the same mistakes, or should we stop profiting from war and instead look to resolve conflict where we can?

"Only the dead will never see another war"

Plato

[Andy Capp]

Did the arms industry suddenly spring into existence during a Tory government? Are you sure?

I never said it did or didn't, but throwing stones in glass houses is ill advised.

[On the edge]

"The facts ma'am, just the facts."

Its pretty clear you don't know what a 'fact' is dear boy. So I'll simply say what they often shout in the House when a Minister doesn't know....'Answer, answer'.

[newres]

Your next PM.
"Throughout the Eighties and Nineties, Corbyn and McDonnell were the IRA's most vigorous allies in Westminster, attending the annual gathering of the Wolfe Tone Society, an organisation which honours dead IRA members and imprisoned volunteers. The event's 1986 programme declared: 'Force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united socialist Ireland.'
IRA man Patrick Magee was in 1986 convicted at the Old Bailey of murdering five people in the Brighton bombing. Corbyn was arrested for staging a protest outside against the strip-searching of the killer's co-defendants."
"At an Irish Republican event in 1987, Corbyn took part in a minute's silence to commemorate eight IRA men shot dead by the SAS as they travelled to attack a police station in County Armagh. 'I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland,' he said.
Corbyn appointed as research assistant, Ronan Bennett, a suspected IRA man who'd served 13 months in prison for fatally shooting a policeman in the chest (his conviction was overturned on appeal). Unsurprisingly, Bennett was banned from the Commons — a decision described by Corbyn as 'a disgraceful attack and character assassination of an innocent man'."

During the 2015 Labour leadership election, Corbyn was repeatedly asked whether he condemned murders by the IRA but refused to answer, saying only: 'I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides.'
"Last month, on a Sunday morning TV interview, Corbyn was asked five times to 'unequivocally condemn' the IRA. Five times he declined."
The other one.
Diane Abbott endorsed the IRA in an interview with pro-Republican journal Labour And Ireland in 1984, saying: 'Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.' Challenged last week, she said she no longer had the same views, 33 years on.
After the Brighton Bomb, in which the IRA murdered five people, London Labour Briefing published a reader's letter stating: 'What do you call four dead Tories? A start!' Next to a picture of Lord Tebbit, who was seriously hurt (and whose wife would be wheelchair-bound for life) it added: 'Try riding your bike now, Norman!'
Weeks after the Brighton attack, Corbyn invited two IRA terrorists to the Commons for a PR stunt where they 'protested about strip-searches in Northern Ireland's prisons'.

"Less than a month after becoming an MP in 1983, Corbyn 'organised a Commons visit and meeting' for Gerry Adams.
Gerry Adams spoke in Corbyn's constituency in 1987, asking the Labour Party to formally endorse his cause. His remarks were 'given a standing ovation' by Corbyn.
A few weeks after the IRA's 1996 bombing of Manchester which caused massive devastation, Corbyn agreed to host the launch of Adams's autobiography in the Commons. The book included an account (allegedly fictional) of killing a British soldier, plus a passage in which Adams declared: 'It might, or might not, be right to kill, but sometimes it is necessary.' The event was cancelled after the then Labour leader Tony Blair threatened to kick Corbyn out of the Labour Party."

During a 1988 ceremony to commemorate the death of the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Corbyn criticised the Anglo-Irish Agreement, precursor to the Peace Process, declaring: 'It strengthens rather than weakens the border… and those of us who wish to see a united Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason.'
John McDonnell attempted to derail pre-Good Friday Agreement negotiations for a new power-sharing assembly in the late Nineties, telling the IRA's official newspaper, An Phoblacht: 'An assembly is not what people have laid down their lives for over 30 years.'
Corbyn has opposed at least 13 Prevention of Terrorism bills. In Socialist Campaign Group News, he has said he regularly hosts meetings by 'international solidarity groups' at which 'many express sympathy for armed insurrection'. Corbyn asked: 'Are they, or those attending, to be criminalised?'
Months before 9/11, Diane Abbott voted against a bill to proscribe al-Qaeda as a terrorist organisation. This was one of 30 occasions when she opposed anti-terror legislation. Last month, she refused to apologise, saying the bill would have wrongly banned a number of 'dissident' groups, too.
In 2009, Corbyn called for Hamas to be taken off the terror list, telling Al Jazeera: 'Contacts with Hamas by politicians are increasing day after day. All want to find a peaceful solution to the problem.'
Following the terror attacks in Paris in 2015, Corbyn said he opposed police being allowed to shoot terror suspects, saying he's 'not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general'.

So?

[Simon Kirby]

Your next PM...
Following the terror attacks in Paris in 2015, Corbyn said he opposed police being allowed to shoot terror suspects, saying he's 'not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general'.

In the wake of the terror attack in Parish Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC asked Corbyn

“If we saw the kind of horror in Paris here, if you were prime minister, would you order security services on to the street to stop people being killed?”

to which Corbyn responded

Of course you’d bring people on to the streets to prevent and ensure there is safety within our society, much better that’s done by the police than security services, much better we have strong and effective community policing, neighbourhood policing and a cohesive society that brings people together, obviously that is essential and so that’s one of the messages I’ll be putting to the prime minister.

So a measured proportionate response that would include deadly force if necessary, but an emphasis on working to prevent the problem ever occuring rather than a "shoot the lot of them and let god sort them out" answer that the reactionary right are agiating for.

The "shoot-to-kill" answer was a response to a different question, though Kuenssberg cut her interview together to imply otherwise. This was the question:

“If you were prime minister would you be happy to order people, police or military, to shoot to kill on Britain’s streets.”

to which Corbyn responded as reported:

I am not happy with the shoot to kill policy in general. I think that is quite dangerous and I think it can often be counterproductive. I think you have to have security which prevents people firing off weapons where you can and there are various degrees of doing things, as we know, but the idea you end up with a war on the streets is not a good thing. Surely you have to work to try and prevent these things happening. That has got to be the priority.

and Corbyn has further clarified his position:

Our priority must be public safety and I will take whatever action is necessary and effective to protect the security of our people and our country. That includes full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night, as they did in Westminster in March.

So the use of deadly force when it's imperative, including shoot-to-kill, but only if it's imperitive and not in general.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40165646

I remember watching this program and thinking I wonder how long until.... Not exactly hiding... Were they?

Anyone like this should be in prison in solitary. Period. And not on the streets.

[newres]

In the wake of the terror attack in Parish Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC asked Corbyn

to which Corbyn responded

So a measured proportionate response that would include deadly force if necessary, but an emphasis on working to prevent the problem ever occuring rather than a "shoot the lot of them and let god sort them out" answer that the reactionary right are agiating for.

The "shoot-to-kill" answer was a response to a different question, though Kuenssberg cut her interview together to imply otherwise. This was the question:


to which Corbyn responded as reported:


and Corbyn has further clarified his position:


So the use of deadly force when it's imperative, including shoot-to-kill, but only if it's imperitive and not in general.

Wasting your time. These people aren't interested in truth.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Wasting your time. These people aren't interested in truth.

These people? Bit of a sweeping generalisation. Bigot.

[newres]

These people? Bit of a sweeping generalisation. Bigot.

People in glass houses.....

[TallDarkAndHands...]

People in glass houses.....

Your glass house has a white flag on it. Mine would have barbed wire and machine guns. Don't ask me to save you though. You reap what you sow. 👍

[newres]

Your glass house has a white flag on it. Mine would have barbed wire and machine guns. Don't ask me to save you though. You reap what you sow. 👍

Seriously, you are off your rocker.

[x2lls]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40165646

I remember watching this program and thinking I wonder how long until.... Not exactly hiding... Were they?

Anyone like this should be in prison in solitary. Period. And not on the streets.

Butt and Barking says it all.

[x2lls]

These people? Bit of a sweeping generalisation. Bigot.

He said the same in regard to 'The locals won't be happy' too.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Seriously, you are off your rocker.

We'll see how it pans out. Personally I think we face the biggest threat to the West since WW2. You are either a Churchillian or a Chamberlain. Me.. I'm with Churchill.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

He said the same in regard to 'The locals won't be happy' too.

The langauage of the "educated" liberal elite!!! More than fond of correcting peoples grammar as well. Say's it all....

[je suis Charlie]

I never said it did or didn't, but throwing stones in glass houses is ill advised.

so why throw them Mr Edit

[Turin Machine]

I think he assumes "if I throw enough mud at the wall some of it might stick" Oh, and I noticed the clumsy (and seemingly) nonsensical edit.

[Turin Machine]

People in glass houses.....

Shouldn't leave the curtains open when undressing.

[Turin Machine]

I'll bet a tenner right now that the first copper who shoots and kills a terrorist without formal permission in triplicate will be in very hot water. Where can I train as a Yooman rites lawyer??

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I'll bet a tenner right now that the first copper who shoots and kills a terrorist without formal permission in triplicate will be in very hot water. Where can I train as a Yooman rites lawyer??

Shami, Cherie, and Amal are on speeddial...