Independent parties prove to be a growing influence Options

[Simon Kirby]

Independent parties prove to be a growing influence

L-to-R Charlie, Simon, Kettle, Peter, Clover, Dave

There is little sense in party politics in local government where everything should be about the issues and national party dogma has little relevance. What I believe local politics needs in Newbury is greater involvement and consensus, and objective rational debate with the evidence out in the open. There are some credible alternatives to traditional party politics this year - and that's not just a shaggy dog story.

[Petra]

Dear Independents’,

I admire your zeitgeist, but sadly misplaced. Independents on here are wasting their time because they are never going to be satisfied. To achieve certain goals in politics you need the collective spirit of those that require change. Independent’s are just a bunch of free-thinking-individuals that either work on behalf of the ordinary people or with a sense of justice (falsely). To get things done, you need obedience and loyalty to a figurehead. Politicians or even people who work for bureaucratic organizations such as a councils’, need to be under the whip so that everybody is singing from the same song sheet. Council can’t or shouldn’t elect freethinking do-gooders, who in the end will mess things up and create havoc for everybody. Parties have a specific-agenda, which needs to be followed, implemented with precision and a degree of strict-collective control. They are there for the majority and that means making hard uncompromising decisions.

You can’t have people willy-nilly challenging every decision that their masters have ordered them to carry out. Don’t get me wrong, I am not suggesting that there can’t be free thinkers under an umbrella of a controlled unit, but eventually a decisive decision needs to be taken and then followed loyally through.

At this election, whether it be General or local, there will only be one winner and that will be a party machine. Independents could be a spanner thrown in the works, which could cause confusion and no overall-winner. This would be no good for communities. Do you really want this?

Yours,
Petra.

[Andy Capp]

Independent’s are just a bunch of free-thinking-individuals that either work on behalf of the ordinary people or with a sense of justice.

No-wonder they have so many enemies in political circles!

Rational people just need a powerful argument presented. You don't need whipping if the mission and the case has been adequately made. If it hasn't then free thinking do gooders have their place to hold people to account. The current version of 'adversarial politics' we have in West Berks has failed.

We need sensible direction; not robust whips.

[Petra]

No-wonder they have so many enemies in political circles!

Rational people just need a powerful argument presented. You don't need whipping if the mission and the case has been adequately made. If it hasn't then free thinking do gooders have their place to hold people to account. The current version of 'adversarial politics' we have in West Berks has failed.

We need sensible direction; not robust whips.

Dear Mr Capp,

I do like your idyllic utopian vision. I presume it is hidden in the corner of your mind, ready to be released onto the world? What you say would be superb if we were living in a world of intelligence, instead of witless wanderings by the walking-lifeless. Whips are necessary to make sure those that swear allegiance to their masters obey them. Those that flounder are quickly sent to Coventry and expunged. Rational people are few and far between, I presume you knew this and you were just posturing.

Yours,
Petra

[Andy Capp]

I do like your idyllic utopian vision. I presume it is hidden in the corner of your mind, ready to be released onto the world? What you say would be superb if we were living in a world of intelligence, instead of witless wanderings by the walking-lifeless. Whips are necessary to make sure those that swear allegiance to their masters obey them. Those that flounder are quickly sent to Coventry and expunged. Rational people are few and far between, I presume you knew this and you were just posturing.

Not at all; if you need whips then your policy is more than likely wrong, but I believe governments have at times thrashed through policy to save face, rather than do what is right.

[Petra]

Not at all; if you need whips then your policy is more than likely wrong, but I believe governments have at times thrashed through policy to save face, rather than do what is right.

Dear Mr Capp,

Truly? So if one’s policy is right, explained properly, then all MPs and people of the world should fall on their knees and be delighted with what is put before them? Nobody would dissent to something that is correctly made and explained and therefore you wouldn’t need whips? So ideological differences wouldn’t exist if you explain things to everybody’s liking? Amazing. So that is where the parties have gone wrong then, my dear. You are wasted on here. Do the members on here realize what a gem they have before them? Form a party Mr Capp and I am sure millions will line up behind you to cheer you to the rafters. Priceless, absolutely bloody priceless!

I will hand it to you, Mr Capp, you were right when you said “you can’t educate pork”.

Yours,
Petra

[Andy Capp]

Dear Mr Capp,

Truly? So if one’s policy is right, explained properly, then all MPs and people of the world should fall on their knees and be delighted with what is put before them? Nobody would dissent to something that is correctly made and explained and therefore you wouldn’t need whips? So ideological differences wouldn’t exist if you explain things to everybody’s liking? Amazing. So that is where the parties have gone wrong then, my dear. You are wasted on here. Do the members on here realize what a gem they have before them? Form a party Mr Capp and I am sure millions will line up behind you to cheer you to the rafters. Priceless, absolutely bloody priceless!

I will hand it to you, Mr Capp, you were right when you said “you can’t educate pork"

It seems you are incapable of being civil unless you are engaging with someone with which you agree. Perhaps after your relentless rudeness, sarcasm and hyperbole, you might find some time to debate? But I won't hold my breath, although I suspect you wish I would, such is the length of time we might have to wait.

[Petra]

It seems you are incapable of being civil unless you are engaging with someone with which you agree. Perhaps after your relentless rudeness, sarcasm and hyperbole, you might find some time to debate? But I won't hold my breath, although I suspect you wish I would, such is the length of time we might have to wait.

Actually, Mr Capp I was using one of your well know phrases (“you can’t educate pork”), which you used when being rude to other posters. So calling be uncivil is a bit rich coming from you. I also answered your naïve question, but I think this has more to do with you chickening out of replying. You will find that most pretentious men who can’t get one over on a woman will either revert to abuse or run away and hide or camouflage themselves as a hurt and wounded animal. Your problem, Mr Capp is that your sacks (testiculus) are larger than your cerebrum cella and that has always given you (as in men) a disadvantage when trying to deal with an intelligent hierarchic female.

So why is it ok for you to be “rude, sarcastic and hyperbole,” while others have to accept your hypocrisy? The other trick you normally do when fearing a superior person, as opposed to your low level abilities, is put them on ignore. Never mind Mr Capp, it is not you or I who will judge, or even those at the same level as your-self on here, but the audience that comes to the circus to be amused, educated and get jovial hilarity.

Yours,
Petra

[Andy Capp]

Actually, Mr Capp I was using one of your well know phrases (“you can’t educate pork”), which you used when being rude to other posters. So calling be uncivil is a bit rich coming from you. I also answered your naïve question, but I think this has more to do with you chickening out of replying. You will find that most pretentious men who can’t get one over on a woman will either revert to abuse or run away and hide or camouflage themselves as a hurt and wounded animal. Your problem, Mr Capp is that your sacks (testiculus) are larger than your cerebrum cella and that has always given you (as in men) a disadvantage when trying to deal with an intelligent hierarchic female.

So why is it ok for you to be “rude, sarcastic and hyperbole,” while others have to accept your hypocrisy? The other trick you normally do when fearing a superior person, as opposed to your low level abilities, is put them on ignore. Never mind Mr Capp, it is not you or I who will judge, or even those at the same level as your-self on here, but the audience that comes to the circus to be amused, educated and get jovial hilarity.

Yours,
Petra

I did post a big reply, but I scrubbed it when I realised I would look as daft as you.