Independent parties prove to be a growing influence Options

[Simon Kirby]

Independent parties prove to be a growing influence

L-to-R Charlie, Simon, Kettle, Peter, Clover, Dave

There is little sense in party politics in local government where everything should be about the issues and national party dogma has little relevance. What I believe local politics needs in Newbury is greater involvement and consensus, and objective rational debate with the evidence out in the open. There are some credible alternatives to traditional party politics this year - and that's not just a shaggy dog story.

[Petra]

Dear Independents’,

I admire your zeitgeist, but sadly misplaced. Independents on here are wasting their time because they are never going to be satisfied. To achieve certain goals in politics you need the collective spirit of those that require change. Independent’s are just a bunch of free-thinking-individuals that either work on behalf of the ordinary people or with a sense of justice (falsely). To get things done, you need obedience and loyalty to a figurehead. Politicians or even people who work for bureaucratic organizations such as a councils’, need to be under the whip so that everybody is singing from the same song sheet. Council can’t or shouldn’t elect freethinking do-gooders, who in the end will mess things up and create havoc for everybody. Parties have a specific-agenda, which needs to be followed, implemented with precision and a degree of strict-collective control. They are there for the majority and that means making hard uncompromising decisions.

You can’t have people willy-nilly challenging every decision that their masters have ordered them to carry out. Don’t get me wrong, I am not suggesting that there can’t be free thinkers under an umbrella of a controlled unit, but eventually a decisive decision needs to be taken and then followed loyally through.

At this election, whether it be General or local, there will only be one winner and that will be a party machine. Independents could be a spanner thrown in the works, which could cause confusion and no overall-winner. This would be no good for communities. Do you really want this?

Yours,
Petra.

[je suis Charlie]

Dear Independents’,

I admire your zeitgeist, but sadly misplaced. Independents on here are wasting their time because they are never going to be satisfied. To achieve certain goals in politics you need the collective spirit of those that require change. Independent’s are just a bunch of free-thinking-individuals that either work on behalf of the ordinary people or with a sense of justice (falsely). To get things done, you need obedience and loyalty to a figurehead. Politicians or even people who work for bureaucratic organizations such as a councils’, need to be under the whip so that everybody is singing from the same song sheet. Council can’t or shouldn’t elect freethinking do-gooders, who in the end will mess things up and create havoc for everybody. Parties have a specific-agenda, which needs to be followed, implemented with precision and a degree of strict-collective control. They are there for the majority and that means making hard uncompromising decisions.

You can’t have people willy-nilly challenging every decision that their masters have ordered them to carry out. Don’t get me wrong, I am not suggesting that there can’t be free thinkers under an umbrella of a controlled unit, but eventually a decisive decision needs to be taken and then followed loyally through.

At this election, whether it be General or local, there will only be one winner and that will be a party machine. Independents could be a spammer thrown in the works, which could cause confusion and no overall-winner. This would be good for communities. Bet you really want this.

Yours,
Petra.

Yes my dear, but, all change starts with a seed, a seed of truth or a seed of liberty. In this case it's a seed of change. If it is watered by the rains of discontent and fed with the very essence of freedom from oppression it can only, nay, WILL only grow to a veritable giant of reason and truth within the fallow mind of such as you where mere dross is substituted for the thought and dreams that will one day topple the establishment and shake society to it's core. Then, and only then will we have people to lead us whome we can truly point at and hold our children up to see them and exclaim "there my child, there is a being of worth, emulate him and be proud for there is the way of truth"!

[Petra]

Yes my dear, but, all change starts with a seed, a seed of truth or a seed of liberty. In this case it's a seed of change. If it is watered by the rains of discontent and fed with the very essence of freedom from oppression it can only, nay, WILL only grow to a veritable giant of reason and truth within the fallow mind of such as you where mere dross is substituted for the thought and dreams that will one day topple the establishment and shake society to it's core. Then, and only then will we have people to lead us whome we can truly point at and hold our children up to see them and exclaim "there my child, there is a being of worth, emulate him and be proud for there is the way of truth"!

Dear je suis Charlie,

Precisely, and that seed started after the war and continued when we joined the Common Market. We then grew and developed into what we’ve got now. But the process doesn’t end there. The truth depends on one’s point of view. But to many, that truth and direction is the European Union, and that can only be achieved by the collective response of Europhile parties. je suis Charlie, je suis!

Yours,
Petra