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Halal, why should we put up with this?, If fox hunting with dogs is outlawed, why not Halal? |
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Oct 11 2018, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Oct 11 2018, 07:55 PM) I think they called it Solyent Green... Close, but no cigar.
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Oct 12 2018, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 11 2018, 08:27 PM) Close, but no cigar. Quite like the idea of having a supply of protein living next door, (however it's spelt). Fiction has a habit of mirroring fact.
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Oct 12 2018, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 11 2018, 05:25 PM) But they don’t do it because of their religion and their religion doesn’t cause it.
No, I’m an atheist. Yes they do. And then they use those huge organisations to cover it up.
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Oct 12 2018, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 12 2018, 11:55 AM) Yes they do. And then they use those huge organisations to cover it up. So Catholic priests are told by their hierarchy/bible/teachings to rape little boys? Sorry, but that just plain stupid and I must assume you are stupid to make such a claim.
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Oct 12 2018, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 12 2018, 12:56 PM) So Catholic priests are told by their hierarchy/bible/teachings to rape little boys? Sorry, but that just plain stupid and I must assume you are stupid to make such a claim. No, but the hierarchy are more than happy to cover it up and we know that. We also know that the hierarchy have taken part in it. So whilst it might not be in the bible, it is certainly prolific within the church.
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Oct 12 2018, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 12 2018, 12:56 PM) So Catholic priests are told by their hierarchy/bible/teachings to rape little boys? Sorry, but that just plain stupid and I must assume you are stupid to make such a claim. The fact that the church sought to cover up these deeds, implicates them in the sorry affair.
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Oct 12 2018, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 12 2018, 01:24 PM) No, but the hierarchy are more than happy to cover it up and we know that. We also know that the hierarchy have taken part in it. So whilst it might not be in the bible, it is certainly prolific within the church. But you said they do it because of their religion. I agree the Catholic church covered it up and that's obviously wrong.
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Oct 12 2018, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 12 2018, 01:24 PM) No, but the hierarchy are more than happy to cover it up and we know that. We also know that the hierarchy have taken part in it. So whilst it might not be in the bible, it is certainly prolific within the church. Presumably the same applies to the Football Association, the NHS, the BBC, the Liberal Democrats..........
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Oct 12 2018, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 12 2018, 04:16 PM) The sad reality is that through history the male of the species appears to have considered females to be something for their specific use. Those of a religious persuasion have hidden behind the name of their particular deity in order to justify their behaviour long after society adopted a more civilised approach. The juxtaposition is now that both sides of the divide quote islamic/christian/ toothfairy et al doctrines to point score in some half baked idea that they can change people's beliefs. There are no good religions/bad religions, just good or bad individuals. And when many such individuals gather, mob mentality ensues. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-62...-Christian.html
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Oct 13 2018, 04:53 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 12 2018, 01:04 PM) Pointless having a conversation with you then! You're getting the picture strafin. here's Pat, who seems to know him personally, talking about him! EDIT.. Oh sorry, possibly her, not sure!
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Oct 13 2018, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 12 2018, 11:57 PM) And when many such individuals gather, mob mentality ensues. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-62...-Christian.htmlYes, same sort of thing with the Free Tommeh rallies. When a load of racist thugs gather, violence often follows.
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Oct 13 2018, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 13 2018, 05:58 AM) Yes, same sort of thing with the Free Tommeh rallies. When a load of racist thugs gather, violence often follows. It is the base instinct of homo sapien. When the argument appears to be lost then violence kicks in and anarchy ensues. This is neither a right or left wing monopoly, just a bunch, (or larger mob), of bigots who wish to impose their ideology on society. But, (in the interest of balance), at what point should the meek stand up against injustice even if that means using violence? The rise of the third reich is often cited as the ultimate evil yet initially it was welcomed not only in Germany but the rest of Europe, only falling from grace when the resulting carnage became apparent. Had the allies, (inc China), capitulated in '38 then millions world wide may have not lost their lives but at what cost? We may abhor violent behavior but it is all we have.
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Oct 16 2018, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 12 2018, 01:56 PM) But you said they do it because of their religion. I agree the Catholic church covered it up and that's obviously wrong. I maintain that. But you are making the point that the holy books don't encourage it. I agree with that also. But I think a lot of people in the church get involved in things that they wouldn't have done otherwise and grooming gangs within the church recruit from and justify it through the religion, therefore I conclude that there are a lot of people who engage in paedophilia through their religion.
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Oct 16 2018, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 16 2018, 09:13 AM) I maintain that. But you are making the point that the holy books don't encourage it. I agree with that also. But I think a lot of people in the church get involved in things that they wouldn't have done otherwise and grooming gangs within the church recruit from and justify it through the religion, therefore I conclude that there are a lot of people who engage in paedophilia through their religion. Where's your evidence that grooming gangs are connected by the church/synagogue/mosque? Most likely the ones we read about went to the same school, so shall we ban schools? Or ban celebrities, football, scouts etc? I happen to agree with your views on the existence of God, but that doesn't mean the faiths are the cause of massive ill.
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Oct 16 2018, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 16 2018, 11:48 AM) You’re assigning a causal link. That’s the problem. Being a Catholic priest or being a Catholic isn’t what made them child abusers. Same as being a scout leader isn’t. In both cases there’s evidence of cover ups though. Similarly the grooming gangs didn’t groom because they are Muslims and as far as I’m aware there was no cover up by their mosques. Basically there is no evidence whatsoever of a causal link. You’re allowing your prejudice against religion to cloud your reasoning.
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Oct 16 2018, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 16 2018, 05:20 PM) Where's your evidence that grooming gangs are connected by the church/synagogue/mosque? Was your question, are you seriously trying to suggest that the widely publicised problems with kiddy fiddling within religious quarters are just conicedence? Doesn't the quoran talk about Mohammeds 6 year old bride? You are of course right again, and does it not say that the fish rots from the head down?
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