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Newbury Today Forum _ Newbury News _ Facebook. We really should link this forum to it, like it or not.

Posted by: x2lls Sep 22 2016, 09:50 PM

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Newburypastpresent/859068327528111/?comment_id=859202830847994&notif_t=like&notif_id=1474575914330694

So much more public involvement.

That said. NWN for crying out loud why do you not do your duty and go for it?


Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 22 2016, 10:12 PM

More doesn't necessarily mean better.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Sep 22 2016, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 22 2016, 10:50 PM) *
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Newburypastpresent/859068327528111/?comment_id=859202830847994&notif_t=like&notif_id=1474575914330694

So much more public involvement.

That said. NWN for crying out loud why do you not do your duty and go for it?

I guess I agree that a Facebook group would be a better medium to host a debate - it would certaily be superior on mobile where this forum is pants.

However I don't think Newbury has any great intetest in the kind of critical debate we have here. Newbury Past & Present has a lively following but it's very lightweight and tends to respond badly to negativity. There's a Moaners sister page which looked pretty awful when I last looked in a year ago.

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 23 2016, 02:23 AM

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Sep 22 2016, 11:12 PM) *
I guess I agree that a Facebook group would be a better medium to host a debate - it would certaily be superior on mobile where this forum is pants.

However I don't think Newbury has any great intetest in the kind of critical debate we have here. Newbury Past & Present has a lively following but it's very lightweight and tends to respond badly to negativity. There's a Moaners sister page which looked pretty awful when I last looked in a year ago.

Both facespace and this forum are pants on mobile, so I challenge the superior tag, but a lot of that is because mobile browsers are pants. The other thing I noticed is that all the complaints about this site exist in farcebook too.

The best thing about the Newbury fartbook pages are the old photos, but any chances of a good debate soon disappear when the swivel eyed, tree huggers and blue rinsers get going.


Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 23 2016, 02:23 AM

fakebook is more a messageboad than an effective debating medium.

Posted by: On the edge Sep 23 2016, 07:27 AM

It still seems like an ePub debate. The difference between this and Facebook is the difference between saloon bar v public with a couple local FB pages being the car park after closing time.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Sep 23 2016, 07:30 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 23 2016, 03:23 AM) *
fakebook is more a messageboad than an effective debating medium.

Facebook supports an unlimited depth of reply-to-reply and I suggedt that this better supports a debate between multiple people that can take multiple directions. It also directly hosts images and supports embedded content such as youtube and for all these reasons I agree that it is a better medium for discussion.

Do you use the Facebook mobile app? For me it's a reasonable mobile experince though the text-entry field is very small.

Posted by: Biker1 Sep 23 2016, 07:45 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 22 2016, 10:50 PM) *
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Newburypastpresent/859068327528111/?comment_id=859202830847994&notif_t=like&notif_id=1474575914330694

So much more public involvement.

That said. NWN for crying out loud why do you not do your duty and go for it?

If this happens then I'm off.
No F/B for me.
(Awaits predictable replies!! tongue.gif )

Posted by: Simon Kirby Sep 23 2016, 07:45 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 23 2016, 08:27 AM) *
It still seems like an ePub debate. The difference between this and Facebook is the difference between saloon bar v public with a couple local FB pages being the car park after closing time.

We may be arguing at cross-purposes. I'm talking about the suitability of the Facebook medium to host a debate and not any particular Facebook Group. I'm not aware of a Facebook Group for Newbury where matters are discussed critically, objectively and relatively civilly as I would suggest they are here.

To be fair I think it's remarkable that we can discuss pretty much anything on here without much more than the odd tiff - this place is a virtual monestary compared to the awfulness of the social-mediaverse in general.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Sep 23 2016, 07:50 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 23 2016, 08:45 AM) *
If this happens then I'm off.
No F/B for me.
(Awaits predictable replies!! tongue.gif )

What are you objecting to? You're not obliged to share anything about yourself on Facebook or visit any groups or pages that you don't want to.

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 23 2016, 08:57 AM

Debates on Facebook are hard work: no word processing or adaquate quoting tool, comments on Facebook can get quickly lost and it is easy to lose the thread. Although more restrictive, one can insert content on here too, so that isn't much of an issue.

The one thing Facebook has over this is a wider participating audience, but that's it.

I do have the Facebook app, but I don't like it. it is too easy to post to an unintended audience.

As I mentioned earlier, the main hassle with content entry on forums is mobile web browsers are rubbish. Notwithstanding my eyesight ain't what it used to be!

Posted by: Simon Kirby Sep 23 2016, 09:20 AM

Yes, the eyesight thing has caught up with me too!

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 20 2017, 05:01 AM

The slow but sure death of the forum continues.
The link has now been removed from the main banner on the NWN home page.
Inevitable I suppose when down to less than a dozen contributors and FB / Google rule the world!.

Posted by: On the edge Apr 20 2017, 06:43 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 20 2017, 06:01 AM) *
The slow but sure death of the forum continues.
The link has now been removed from the main banner on the NWN home page.
Inevitable I suppose when down to less than a dozen contributors and FB / Google rule the world!.


It's actually still there. Where the title 'Property Forum' appear on the top line, click on the actual word 'forum' it opens the link to here.

I suspect it's just an error which happened when someone was tidying the website; but I'd not disagree with your sentiments!

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 20 2017, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 20 2017, 06:01 AM) *
The slow but sure death of the forum continues.
The link has now been removed from the main banner on the NWN home page.
Inevitable I suppose when down to less than a dozen contributors and FB / Google rule the world!.

It disappears from time to time, but I can see it at the moment.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 20 2017, 03:24 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 20 2017, 07:43 AM) *
It's actually still there. Where the title 'Property Forum' appear on the top line, click on the actual word 'forum' it opens the link to here.

Oh yes I see it now.
Moved from the main blue banner.

Posted by: gel Apr 20 2017, 07:33 PM

I see that if you don't use Wastebook, ie registered, that the Newbury page link above, locks you out.

Posted by: HOW Aug 8 2017, 02:12 PM

I'm not an FB fan unless groups are private ones.
Feel like you're on display there LOL

On the subject of this forum dying....
We'll I've had a bit of trouble even getting on.
I had to email some NWN bods.

Looking at the Members List it 'appears' that all the recent joiners are in a state of 'Validating' newest bar me I saw was 2015. Is that right?


Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 8 2017, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (HOW @ Aug 8 2017, 03:12 PM) *
I'm not an FB fan unless groups are private ones.
Feel like you're on display there LOL

On the subject of this forum dying....
We'll I've had a bit of trouble even getting on.
I had to email some NWN bods.

Looking at the Members List it 'appears' that all the recent joiners are in a state of 'Validating' newest bar me I saw was 2015. Is that right?


I know someone who had exactly the same problem . In the end he just gave up . The cynic may well consider that "higher" forces would like to see it close down.
It does not fit into the social media criteria because there is a degree of anonymity and most of the contributors can compose an opinion without resorting to personal diatribe . ( Well I did say most wink.gif ).

Posted by: blackdog Aug 8 2017, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 8 2017, 03:21 PM) *
I know someone who had exactly the same problem . In the end he just gave up . The cynic may well consider that "higher" forces would like to see it close down.
It does not fit into the social media criteria because there is a degree of anonymity and most of the contributors can compose an opinion without resorting to personal diatribe . ( Well I did say most wink.gif ).


If the NWN wants to close it they may as well do so - it's dying a slow death as it is.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 8 2017, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Aug 8 2017, 05:03 PM) *
If the NWN wants to close it they may as well do so - it's dying a slow death as it is.


Why would NWN want to close it? The stats still show there are thread readers and it costs little to maintain.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 9 2017, 10:30 AM

I guess we will only know if it closes when our posts no longer get a reply .
I would think the NWN are quite happy to let it continue but it does need a few more "faces" to diversify the viewpoint away from wouldbe LibDems and won't under any circumstances be LibDems. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: On the edge Aug 9 2017, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 9 2017, 11:30 AM) *
I guess we will only know if it closes when our posts no longer get a reply .
I would think the NWN are quite happy to let it continue but it does need a few more "faces" to diversify the viewpoint away from wouldbe LibDems and won't under any circumstances be LibDems. rolleyes.gif


Odd this, I thought the LibDems had disappeared, certainly not seen anything of them for ages on here! What with UKIP sunk without trace, we are just left with Tory v Labour; those pretending to be rich and influential and those who ain't! huh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 9 2017, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 9 2017, 05:04 PM) *
Odd this, I thought the LibDems had disappeared, certainly not seen anything of them for ages on here! What with UKIP sunk without trace, we are just left with Tory v Labour; those pretending to be rich and influential and those who ain't! huh.gif


Don't they fall into the " won't be LibDem at any cost" category ? Tories only admit their leaning to other Tories and Labour supporters like to be a club member without paying the sub.

Posted by: dannyboy Aug 12 2017, 01:22 PM

Once upon a time this was quite a good forum.

No longer....


Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 13 2017, 08:52 AM

The thing is, one runs out of things to moan about.

Posted by: Cognosco Aug 13 2017, 09:19 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 13 2017, 09:52 AM) *
The thing is, one runs out of things to moan about.


Probably because our two decrepit local authorities are getting more secretive! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: dannyboy Aug 13 2017, 12:41 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 13 2017, 09:52 AM) *
The thing is, one runs out of things to moan about.



nah, it is just the same old record on here...

Posted by: blackdog Aug 13 2017, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 22 2016, 10:50 PM) *
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Newburypastpresent/859068327528111/?comment_id=859202830847994&notif_t=like&notif_id=1474575914330694

So much more public involvement.

That said. NWN for crying out loud why do you not do your duty and go for it?


Returning to the orignal post - how do you link a forum and a fb group?

Apart from that there are too many fb groups already do we need another?


Posted by: On the edge Aug 13 2017, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 13 2017, 09:52 AM) *
The thing is, one runs out of things to moan about.


Very true! Most of the gripes round here are repeated in similar localised social media outlets throughout the country. Some better, some worse. Change is coming, but as usual takes time to get here; so we don't really notice it happening. The famous vision is being delivered and before long, we'll recognise it's not about Newbury, more the conurbation. I suspect it won't be long before 'those councils' start to disappear; courts have gone, NHS commissioning merging, etc. So rather than close this forum, might be better to merge with ones in Reading.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 13 2017, 06:45 PM

I thought the idea of any forum was to share views on a particular subject ? We now seem to be more interested in a character assassination on the poster as opposed to indulging in a responsible debate . I am not suggesting we are going to see eye to eye on everything but shouldn't we agree to disagree and embrace the argument ? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: On the edge Aug 14 2017, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 13 2017, 07:45 PM) *
I thought the idea of any forum was to share views on a particular subject ? We now seem to be more interested in a character assassination on the poster as opposed to indulging in a responsible debate . I am not suggesting we are going to see eye to eye on everything but shouldn't we agree to disagree and embrace the argument ? rolleyes.gif


Character assassination comes and goes, usually the last resort when someone can't get their own way. In any event, we are conditioned by party politics and the way education has been delivered for the past decades not to question, so even debate rarely changes minds. The whole country does seem pretty divided right now and down non traditional lines so it's difficult to see a way through this right now. However, on a brighter note, even with though most contributors are anonymous, the level of debate seems far more restrained than local Facebook pages!

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 14 2017, 10:52 PM

While Facebook has good reach, it is a rubbish platform for debate.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 15 2017, 08:34 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 13 2017, 07:45 PM) *
I thought the idea of any forum was to share views on a particular subject ? We now seem to be more interested in a character assassination on the poster as opposed to indulging in a responsible debate . I am not suggesting we are going to see eye to eye on everything but shouldn't we agree to disagree and embrace the argument ? rolleyes.gif

Been fighting that battle on here for years SirW.
Good luck, although I have to admit things have improved on here from that aspect lately.
Perhaps due to the diminished number of contributors? unsure.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 15 2017, 11:49 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 15 2017, 09:34 AM) *
Been fighting that battle on here for years SirW.
Good luck, although I have to admit things have improved on here from that aspect lately.
Perhaps due to the diminished number of contributors? unsure.gif

And therefore fewer daft/antogonisitc posts! tongue.gif

There will also be an element of people 'understanding' one another.

Posted by: Andy1 Aug 15 2017, 01:28 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 15 2017, 12:49 PM) *
And therefore fewer daft/antogonisitc posts! tongue.gif


Like this one

Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 15 2017, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 14 2017, 11:52 PM) *
While Facebook has good reach, it is a rubbish platform for debate.

I rather like the way comments can be addressed to specific comments and nest, so that a discussion can go off at something of a tangent without derailing the thread as a whole. FB also makes it really easy to post images as it hosts the image itself, and I like the way it renders a preview of links too. It's a better medium for discussion IMHO.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 15 2017, 03:51 PM

I think we've had a reasonable run, but like newbury.net before, I think the rot's set in here and the forum is in terminal decline.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 15 2017, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (Andy1 @ Aug 15 2017, 02:28 PM) *
Like this one

...and this! tongue.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 15 2017, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 15 2017, 04:45 PM) *
I rather like the way comments can be addressed to specific comments and nest, so that a discussion can go off at something of a tangent without derailing the thread as a whole. FB also makes it really easy to post images as it hosts the image itself, and I like the way it renders a preview of links too. It's a better medium for discussion IMHO.

What I don't like about Facebook:
Searching for comments is tiresome.
You can't format text.
It is no less 'quarrelsome'. In fact I think it is more so than on here or other forums.
Profanity is rife.
Can't quote.
Fragmented debates due to being able to reply to individual replies.
Topics can quickly disappear off the foot of the page.

I think Facebook is a glorified messageboard than a forum.

Posted by: Andy1 Aug 16 2017, 08:39 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 15 2017, 06:33 PM) *
...and this! tongue.gif


and this, last word

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 16 2017, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (Andy1 @ Aug 16 2017, 09:39 AM) *
and this, last word

Addictive, isn't it? wink.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 17 2017, 07:37 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 16 2017, 10:02 PM) *
Addictive, isn't it? wink.gif


Or sad rolleyes.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 17 2017, 07:55 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 13 2017, 09:52 AM) *
The thing is, one runs out of things to moan about.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40676384

If this doesn't justify a rant I don't know what does .

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 17 2017, 09:06 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 17 2017, 08:55 AM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40676384

If this doesn't justify a rant I don't know what does .

I have spent most of my life ranting about people who gain fun and pleasure fron the suffering and killing of animals.
I give up!
Time for others to take over. sad.gif
(Or you can help by supporting LACS or PETA.)

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 17 2017, 11:18 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 17 2017, 10:06 AM) *
I have spent most of my life ranting about people who gain fun and pleasure fron the suffering and killing of animals.
I give up!
Time for others to take over. sad.gif
(Or you can help by supporting LACS or PETA.)


Total agreement . My problem with the charity approach is that though the reasoning is sound , the sad reality is that only a few animals actually benefit .
Taking nothing away from the frontline workers but it is rather Cnut-esque in it's achievement . I guess it is in the DNA of Homo Sapien to pursue everything that runs from him and to run from anything that chases .

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 17 2017, 07:27 PM

That's nature, that is.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 18 2017, 09:30 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 17 2017, 08:27 PM) *
Thats nature, that is.


....and having rules to try and control human nature is civilisation!

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 19 2017, 07:24 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 18 2017, 10:30 AM) *
....and having rules to try and control human nature is civilisation!

Correct OTE.
Very succinctly put! wink.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 22 2017, 06:19 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 18 2017, 10:30 AM) *
....and having rules to try and control human nature is civilisation!

Correct, but even the civilised only eat that which runs away.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 22 2017, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 22 2017, 07:19 AM) *
Correct, but even the civilised only eat that which runs away.


Quite right, but it still doesn't justify cruelty to other species anymore than claiming it's OK to belt your partner because the bloke next door does.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 22 2017, 06:22 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 22 2017, 05:18 PM) *
Quite right, but it still doesn't justify cruelty to other species anymore than claiming it's OK to belt your partner because the bloke next door does.


Is cruelty an inherent trait that is suppressed by the civilising process or something that occurs independently because of a persons upbringing ? Most of the successful persons in history didn't achieve status by being nice and there is little or no evidence to suggest that an altruistic approach is beneficial over a selfish one .
Yet we all like to think that our view of the world is the right one and very few will admit to being cruel even though the evidence may prove otherwise .

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 22 2017, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 22 2017, 05:18 PM) *
Quite right, but it still doesn't justify cruelty to other species anymore than claiming it's OK to belt your partner because the bloke next door does.

Again, i agree, but what is not cruel about killing something that doesnt want to die? Which activity do you think brings the greatest amount of cruelty: recreational hunting or or industrial farming?

Posted by: On the edge Aug 22 2017, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 22 2017, 07:22 PM) *
Is cruelty an inherent trait that is suppressed by the civilising process or something that occurs independently because of a persons upbringing ? Most of the successful persons in history didn't achieve status by being nice and there is little or no evidence to suggest that an altruistic approach is beneficial over a selfish one .
Yet we all like to think that our view of the world is the right one and very few will admit to being cruel even though the evidence may prove otherwise .


Sure, but that doesn't make it right. I'd argue that the real test is the personal understanding. Did the perpetrator understand the effect of their decision in pain or pleasure? For instance, the knowledge that he could have saved many lives from being lost prior to the bombing of Coventry caused Churchill great pain, though his decision was doubtless right. The real issue with hunting isn't so much that it happens, more that the hunters clearly do it for and gain great pleasure from it. At best, it simply shows a lack of respect. Put it this way, I'm not sure I'd want my teeth filled by a dentist who gets his kicks killing big animals; you'd never be sure the pain he inflicted on you was deliberate or simply dentistry!

Posted by: On the edge Aug 22 2017, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 22 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Again, i agree, but what is not cruel about killing something that doesnt want to die? Which activity do you think brings the greatest amount of cruelty: recreational hunting or or industrial farming?


I'd argue recreational hunting, simply because it is deliberate and otherwise unjustified cruelty. Yes, hunting to kill is often seen as necessary to eliminate what is considered vermin, but that can be, and is otherwise done ad humanly as possible.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 23 2017, 12:28 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 22 2017, 09:33 PM) *
I'd argue recreational hunting, simply because it is deliberate and otherwise unjustified cruelty. Yes, hunting to kill is often seen as necessary to eliminate what is considered vermin, but that can be, and is otherwise done ad humanly as possible.

What about industrial farming? What about lamb meat, or £3 chicken, or cold milk for your coffee. All based around exploiting our enjoyment of eating animal produce. And woe betide the butcher who may enjoy his job.

Yes I think recreational hunting is cruel, but I believe our love of eating meat and dairy is too. Something we do on such a scale, it is believed to contribute to global environmental damage.

I don't believe It is humane to kill a healthy creature that doesn't want to die. I certainly wouldn't call it civilised.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 23 2017, 06:03 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2017, 01:28 AM) *
What about industrial farming? What about lamb meat, or £3 chicken, or cold milk for your coffee. All based around exploiting our enjoyment of eating animal produce. And woe betide the butcher who may enjoy his job.

Yes I think recreational hunting is cruel, but I believe our love of eating meat and dairy is too. Something we do on such a scale, it is believed to contribute to global environmental damage.

I don't believe It is humane to kill a healthy creature that doesn't want to die. I certainly wouldn't call it civilised.


I'm sorry but I make a distinction between a soldier who kills in the line of duty and a terrorist; it's essentially the same difference. Arguably comes down to self; is what is being done for self or for and on behalf of others. So, industrial farming, just so I can chisel more profit for me isn't acceptable.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 23 2017, 07:23 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 23 2017, 07:03 AM) *
I'm sorry but I make a distinction between a soldier who kills in the line of duty and a terrorist; it's essentially the same difference. Arguably comes down to self; is what is being done for self or for and on behalf of others. So, industrial farming, just so I can chisel more profit for me isn't acceptable.

Bomber Command operated 'in the line if duty'.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 23 2017, 08:13 AM

Nothing like going off topic wink.gif
Very few will admit to the enjoyment of inflicting pain or killing a living creature but but many do and justify their actions accordingly .
Everything that is born will eventually die , the question is, should this be a natural progression or do we have the right to end it early for the benefit of many ?
The soldier kills an enemy before the enemy kills him and his family . The farmer breeds and subsequently kills a cow to feed his family as hunger will not wait till the animal dies of old age and if that was not the case it wouldn't have been bred in the first place .

Simplistic ? Agreed , but it is a cycle that has been in existence since life began . Those of us who have a moral outrage against such persons as a lion killing dentist or halal slaughtermen ,though in a majority , are forced to accept the status quo .

When most of the world's wildlife has been wiped out and we reflect on what we have done it will be to late ,but those who contributed most to the demise will still have the same mentality .

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 23 2017, 11:46 AM

Is cruelty real, or just a human construct? Should we worry about being cruel? What difference does it make? Perhaps we are all just bags of transitional energy with a sense of our own over importance?

Posted by: On the edge Aug 23 2017, 03:01 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2017, 12:46 PM) *
Is cruelty real, or just a human construct? Should we worry about being cruel? What difference does it make? Perhaps we are all just bags of transitional energy with a sense of our own over importance?


So we don't need to bother about anything at all, we just exist as best we can s**d everything else until our number is up. Actually, truly Darwinian and quite an attractive proposition.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 23 2017, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 23 2017, 09:13 AM) *
Nothing like going off topic wink.gif
Very few will admit to the enjoyment of inflicting pain or killing a living creature but but many do and justify their actions accordingly .
Everything that is born will eventually die , the question is, should this be a natural progression or do we have the right to end it early for the benefit of many ?
The soldier kills an enemy before the enemy kills him and his family . The farmer breeds and subsequently kills a cow to feed his family as hunger will not wait till the animal dies of old age and if that was not the case it wouldn't have been bred in the first place .

Simplistic ? Agreed , but it is a cycle that has been in existence since life began . Those of us who have a moral outrage against such persons as a lion killing dentist or halal slaughtermen ,though in a majority , are forced to accept the status quo .

When most of the world's wildlife has been wiped out and we reflect on what we have done it will be to late ,but those who contributed most to the demise will still have the same mentality .


For me, the pleasure from killing brigade don't enjender moral outrage so much as a natural defence mechanisim that the individuals concerned aren't what I would consider to be well balanced people. So, genuinely, If I'm sitting in a dentists chair, drugged up and waiting for some puny little person tooled up with sharp dentistry kit, the last thing I'd want to know is that he got his kicks killing big game.

Perhaps it's me, but I'd really worry if my partner's riding circle decided to take a pack of underfed dogs with them and then watched whilst they ripped another breed of dog apart, more so if they decided to smother one of their number with its blood.

Still, we've all got our quirks haven't we, so not to worry!

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 24 2017, 05:21 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41040790

Nowt as strange as folk .

Posted by: The Hatter Aug 24 2017, 05:39 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 24 2017, 06:21 PM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41040790

Nowt as strange as folk .


What's strange?

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 24 2017, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Aug 24 2017, 06:39 PM) *
What's strange?


In the context of the debate the great unwashed will happily turn a blind eye to the cruelty of food production as practised in the world at large but become sentimental over a couple of porkers who owe a debt of thanks to the local fire brigade .

Posted by: Turin Machine Aug 24 2017, 06:51 PM

What did people expect to happen? If you eat bacon it doesn't appear . magically on the bacon bush. People need to get a grip.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 25 2017, 07:52 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 24 2017, 07:51 PM) *
What did people expect to happen? If you eat bacon it doesn't appear . magically on the bacon bush. People need to get a grip.


Like they say , there is " nowt as queer as folk ". With knowledge being more accessible than at any time previous , the general ignorance of the populace is frightening .

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 25 2017, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 25 2017, 08:52 AM) *
Like they say , there is " nowt as queer as folk ". With knowledge being more accessible than at any time previous , the general ignorance of the populace is frightening .

You can take a horse to water...

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 25 2017, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 25 2017, 09:06 AM) *
You can take a horse to water...


I submit that the Dunning / Kruger effect is more prevalent than we first thought .

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