Councillors reject ‘travellers’ site’ plans despite warnings Options

[MoonPhoenix]

I get the impression this is a line of discussion that's impossible venture down honestly. Without Somebody offending somebody else. Or somebody taking exception just because they can.
It's a invisible minefield. And verbal verbal fuzzy wuzzys don't come natural.

[dannyboy]

Now that's what I call a racist post, still I think I'll let it go.

What is racist about it?

[Biker1]

I get the impression this is a line of discussion that's impossible venture down honestly. Without Somebody offending somebody else. Or somebody taking exception just because they can.
It's a invisible minefield. And verbal verbal fuzzy wuzzys don't come natural.

I'm sorry MoonPhoenix but the only one being "offended" on here is yourself by trotting out the "racist" suggestion when, in fact, nobody was being because we are not talking about races in this discussion.

[MoonPhoenix]

I'm sorry MoonPhoenix but the only one being "offended" on here is yourself by trotting out the "racist" suggestion when, in fact, nobody was being because we are not talking about races in this discussion.

And thats my point.
It seems its not reasonable to reasonably expect what somebody else may perveice as offensive until they tell you.

While one person sees sees whittling clothes pegs as harmless fun. Another sees it no different to having an asian family move next door and saying how they're looking forward to their corner shop opening.
And while I see a certain brand of Traveller as more conservative and low key than another as a simple fact of life. Somebody else perceives it as playing whos the better Traveller.

[Strafin]

I think you're probably just a little bit up your own bottom to be honest.

[Biker1]

while I see a certain brand of Traveller as more conservative and low key than another as a simple fact of life. Somebody else perceives it as playing whos the better Traveller.

No, you said let me remind you "Personally, the only group I would really loath to live next door to are the New Agers"
And I perceived it as comparable with me saying for example that "I didn't want to live next door to Gypsys or "travellers""

One rule for one and one rule for the other??

[MoonPhoenix]

No,
When somebody of a particular demographic tells you that a comment directed as such is not appreciated. It's not calling the race card or anything else. It's educating you in the manner its perceived by somebody of said demographic.
If nobody ever stuck there head above the hedge to inform you. Then things would never move forward.

There is no arguing, or shifting of attention. You have to accept you are in the wrong. And that's your problem.
And as defined by law, as derogatory or discriminatory comment is one that is perceived as such by somebody of said demographic its aimed at.
So, you also have to right to define what is or not offensive on somebody elses behalf. That belongs to the receipents and nobody has any right to take that away from them.

[Biker1]

No,
When somebody of a particular demographic tells you that a comment directed as such is not appreciated. It's not calling the race card or anything else. It's educating you in the manner its perceived by somebody of said demographic.
If nobody ever stuck there head above the hedge to inform you. Then things would never move forward.

There is no arguing, or shifting of attention. You have to accept you are in the wrong. And that's your problem.
And as defined by law, as derogatory or discriminatory comment is one that is perceived as such by somebody of said demographic its aimed at.
So, you also have to right to define what is or not offensive on somebody elses behalf. That belongs to the receipents and nobody has any right to take that away from them.

I'm sorry I have difficulty in understanding your arguments so I will leave it there.
However I do not accept that I am wrong as you have not convinced me that I am.
I do not have a problem with that.
Thanks.

[motormad]

I think you're probably just a little bit up your own bottom to be honest.

lol


We've been here before.
They are a gyspy in every sense. Except apparently this one cleans up after themselves and pays taxes and doesn't live in caravans!

[NWNREADER]

Gypsy is, I understand, an accepted 'ethnic' grouping. Traveller is a descriptor of a chosen lifestyle.

Many travellers seek to be classed gypsy as it brings certain protections under Law. Many are no more gypsy than I am Pope. The genuine gypsy people should distance themselves from those seeking to attach themselves purely for personal benefit.

Then we would know what issues we are trying to deal with, and the possible remedies - should it be deemed proper to have reliefs for all and any ethnic (etc) groups

[Jo Pepper]

If you would like to know more about the opression against travellers, you could look at what they did to us 'new age' travellers over the years. From thatcher to new labour, we've always been an easy target.

[NWNREADER]

Many groups who choose to live outside 'established' social norms, yet benefit from the protections that society provides, find themselves thought badly of.

[On the edge]

Certainly us 'normals' do very badly too. Taxes national and local keep rising, ore and more regulations we feel bound to follow, fines and texes just deducted from our meagre pay like it or not.....