Hungerford man accused of inciting disorder during riots Options

[Andy Capp]

Whenever you commit an act of violence, there is always the possiblity a death may occur. The fact that you planned the act of violence, you have to accept the consequences of whatever happens.

I think whether it was intended is taken into consideration when sentencing. Hence murder or manslaughter. One is a worse than the other.

Was re-entry refused by the police or the stewards/security where the event was taking place. I really doubt the police arrested the man under the Terrorism act for heckling. Your example also says the person next to the heckler was removed, because she complained about the actions of the steward. Again, what did this have to do with actions of the police.

The police detained the man under the Terrorism Act, which is not an arrest. Stewards have no right of detention.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/persona...egislation.html

Here are more
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...ws-1228149.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/oc...ime.humanrights
http://londonphotographers.org/2010/05/abu...laws-continues/

So you think acting in a lawless and violent manner you should be treated as a normal shoplifter?

I think you are getting muddled.

[Biker1]

The police detained the man under the Terrorism Act, which is not an arrest.

Which would you get rid of or revise given the choice?
Human rights Act?
Terrorism Act?

[user23]

You could be right. I guess we wait and see. However I believe that the present justice system is far too weak and needs to be beefed up.

Should there be more Government control over social media and internet forums?

The events of last week strengthen those who make the case for less anonymity and privacy on the Internet.

[Andy Capp]

Which would you get rid of or revise given the choice?
Human rights Act?
Terrorism Act?

Both are subject to misuse, so possibly both, although I couldn't tell you how. This is why we need to be careful when Government announce new restrictions of movement or behaviour. We need to realise that there is always a cost to anything.

[Richard Garvie]

we don't even know the context of the alledged comments. What if he had reposted a joke about having a riot? I think a few hundred hours community service actually teaches a big lesson, his peers will see him working and will take over a year to complete. Prison sentences aren't the answer to everything you know.

[Phil_D11102]

So you think acting in a lawless and violent manner you should be treated as a normal shoplifter?

I think you are getting muddled.

No, what happened in the riots was nothing more that mob rule rabid animal behaviour. It wasn't like it was a kid going into a shop stealing some sweets.

The penalties should be harsh to discourage behaviour like this in the future.

[dannyboy]

Should there be more Government control over social media and internet forums?

The events of last week strengthen those who make the case for less anonymity and privacy on the Internet.

Electronic forms of mass communication have never, ever, been free from Govt. control & have always lacked any kind of privacy.

[Andy Capp]

No, what happened in the riots was nothing more that mob rule rabid animal behaviour. It wasn't like it was a kid going into a shop stealing some sweets.

The penalties should be harsh to discourage behaviour like this in the future.

The law should be seen to be equitable.

[Biker1]

No, what happened in the riots was nothing more that mob rule rabid animal behaviour. It wasn't like it was a kid going into a shop stealing some sweets.

The penalties should be harsh to discourage behaviour like this in the future.

Perhaps we should deal with him (them) something like this?

[Weavers Walk]

LOL @ second comment down

"Thumbs up if you were linked here by a right-wing nutter."

[Phil_D11102]

Perhaps we should deal with him (them) something like this?

Only if they have more than 2 kids which they don't pay anything for....


Just kidding..


That would be too extreme.

Let them face the avengers of crime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm2LY1y0F0s

[Biker1]

LOL @ second comment down

"Thumbs up if you were linked here by a right-wing nutter."

Yes I saw that.
Seems like folks can't take a bit of fun.
Can't think what they mean - I would only cut them off in extreme circumstances!
Does not compare with the things I have been linked to by left wing loonies. They are serious!:P

[Andy Capp]

Yes I saw that.
Seems like folks can't take a bit of fun.
Can't think what they mean - I would only cut them off in extreme circumstances!
Does not compare with the things I have been linked to by left wing loonies. They are serious!:P

I think beneath the humour lies a reasonable idea.

[Weavers Walk]

Does not compare with the things I have been linked to by left wing loonies.

How do you know they are 'left wing'?

[Biker1]

How do you know they are 'left wing'?

That's like posing the question - How did the commenter's supporters on the You Tube site know the "nutter" was right wing?
Left wing, right wing, surely you go by the way their views swing??

[Weavers Walk]

Up to a point, but I don't see that pointing that someone has 'right wing' views makes that person 'left wing' Does it?

[Biker1]

Up to a point, but I don't see that pointing that someone has 'right wing' views makes that person 'left wing' Does it?

I see what you mean.
No, difficult to label anyone really, everyone's views differs from those of others'.
Some of my views would be labelled as "right wing" and many others would be labelled as "left wing", so which am I?

[Andy Capp]

I see what you mean.
No, difficult to label anyone really, everyone's views differs from those of others'.
Some of my views would be labelled as "right wing" and many others would be labelled as "left wing", so which am I?

I guess that implies you're mainly Left Wing. Although I must have been out the country when that happened!

Being left or right wing tends to make similar animals. Both generally have bigoted or narrow-minded ideas. You then have the undecideds, like me, who will sit on the fence so long that they forget why.

[Phil_D11102]

Being left or right wing tends to make similar animals. Both generally have bigoted or narrow-minded ideas. You then have the undecideds, like me, who will sit on the fence so long that they forget why.

Whoa, what a statement to make.

What would I be then?

I believe that there should a minimum income level, but you must contribute at minimum between 60 to 75 % of it, and the rest you get in non cash coupon for items such as heat and electricty. People on disablity is another matter.

I believe in child benefits for all at the current level, as by producing children you are adding future taxpayers.

I believe in strong punishment for criminals, but at the same time I believe there should be more programs such as apprenticeships and a National Service that is not only military based but community based.

I believe in a strong military. Not only does it ensure your prepared, but it also creates loads of jobs.

I believe in capitalism, but at the same time I feel the banks have made a mockery of the system.

I believe that OAP's should not be taxed on any of their income after the age of 65 and their retired.

I think there should be no fees for school children below the age of 18 if your using public transport, as it keeps cars off the road.

So what am I, left or right wing?

[JeffG]

I believe that there should [be] a minimum income level, but you must contribute at minimum between 60 to 75 % of it, and the rest you get in non cash coupon for items such as heat and electricty. People on disablity is another matter.

I don't understand at all what this means.

I think there should be no fees for school children below the age of 18 if your using public transport, as it keeps cars off the road.

Are you suggesting that children who go to fee-paying schools (as opposed to state schools) should not have to pay fees if they use public transport?