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> Halal, why should we put up with this?, If fox hunting with dogs is outlawed, why not Halal?
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post Jan 31 2018, 02:34 PM
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Have received a sympathetic reply from Richard Benyon in which he agrees with the consensus that the present situation is unacceptable.
Apparently The Animal Welfare Bill that was published in December and due for debate in the coming year stipulates that, along with other measures, that CCTV will be mandatory in ALL abattoirs.

Now like him or loathe him you have to admit he is doing something and we all need to show our support for his involvement. Any card carrying socialists on here know what Corbyn's view on this subject it?


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post Feb 1 2018, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 31 2018, 02:34 PM) *
Have received a sympathetic reply from Richard Benyon in which he agrees with the consensus that the present situation is unacceptable.
Apparently The Animal Welfare Bill that was published in December and due for debate in the coming year stipulates that, along with other measures, that CCTV will be mandatory in ALL abattoirs.

Now like him or loathe him you have to admit he is doing something and we all need to show our support for his involvement. Any card carrying socialists on here know what Corbyn's view on this subject it?


Would you be able to post the text?
That sounds encouraging.


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post Feb 1 2018, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 1 2018, 08:19 PM) *
Would you be able to post the text?
That sounds encouraging.


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Thank you for your email to Richard with the Daily Mirror link.
He has asked me to respond to say that this is unacceptable and should not be happening. As part of the draft Animal Welfare Bill, published in December and due to be debated in Parliament this year, CCTV will become mandatory in all abattoirs to ensure animals are treated humanely at the end of their lives. This should make it easier for agencies like the Food Standards Authority to monitor all abattoirs and stamp out abuses such as this.
Thank you for getting in touch.

Yours sincerely

Catherine


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May be a small step but at least it is a step in the right direction.


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post Feb 2 2018, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 1 2018, 08:58 PM) *
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Thank you for your email to Richard with the Daily Mirror link.
He has asked me to respond to say that this is unacceptable and should not be happening. As part of the draft Animal Welfare Bill, published in December and due to be debated in Parliament this year, CCTV will become mandatory in all abattoirs to ensure animals are treated humanely at the end of their lives. This should make it easier for agencies like the Food Standards Authority to monitor all abattoirs and stamp out abuses such as this.
Thank you for getting in touch.

Yours sincerely

Catherine


Catherine Haig
Senior Researcher for The Rt Hon Richard Benyon MP
Member of Parliament for Newbury

May be a small step but at least it is a step in the right direction.


Thank you for that.
Yes, a small step indeed.


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post Feb 2 2018, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 1 2018, 10:58 PM) *
As requested



Thank you for your email to Richard with the Daily Mirror link.
He has asked me to respond to say that this is unacceptable and should not be happening. As part of the draft Animal Welfare Bill, published in December and due to be debated in Parliament this year, CCTV will become mandatory in all abattoirs to ensure animals are treated humanely at the end of their lives. This should make it easier for agencies like the Food Standards Authority to monitor all abattoirs and stamp out abuses such as this.
Thank you for getting in touch.

Yours sincerely

Catherine


Catherine Haig
Senior Researcher for The Rt Hon Richard Benyon MP
Member of Parliament for Newbury

May be a small step but at least it is a step in the right direction.

Says the man who supports hunting with hounds etc. angry.gif
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post Feb 2 2018, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 2 2018, 09:39 AM) *
Says the man who supports hunting with hounds etc. angry.gif

Sometimes you need to dance with the Devil.


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post Feb 2 2018, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 2 2018, 09:39 AM) *
Says the man who supports hunting with hounds etc. angry.gif


Given the choice between being ripped apart by a pack of hounds or being hacked at by a grinning thug with a knife before being disemboweled while still conscious is a no brainer. Now I appreciate two wrongs don't make a right but at least the fox meets his maker very quickly.
If they didn't stop earths before every hunt then most foxes would be safely underground before the hounds got within half a mile.


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post Feb 2 2018, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 2 2018, 09:39 AM) *
Says the man who supports hunting with hounds etc. angry.gif



That may well be so, but it doesn't detract from a positive sign.


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post Feb 2 2018, 01:12 PM
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Benyon supports fox hunting, badger culling, and voted not to include the animal sentience clause in the recent vote about adopting EU guidelines into law.
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post Feb 2 2018, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 2 2018, 01:12 PM) *
Benyon supports fox hunting, badger culling, and voted not to include the animal sentience clause in the recent vote about adopting EU guidelines into law.


Had we adopted the EU directive on animal welfare we would be at the mercy of those who chose to follow their own agenda, (more bad than good), with little chance of changing it. By having our own parliament bring in legislation we have a chance of getting it right.
Remember the EU views it ok to throw donkeys off the church steeple as the local nuns wave their religious book.

I agree badger culling is abhorrent and eventually they will have to adopt a vaccination programme, ( cost issue again ). The evidence is now in front of them that the cull did not work but bovine tuberculosis is something we can not turn our back on in the hope that it will go away.


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post Feb 2 2018, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 2 2018, 02:37 PM) *
Had we adopted the EU directive on animal welfare we would be at the mercy of those who chose to follow their own agenda, (more bad than good), with little chance of changing it. By having our own parliament bring in legislation we have a chance of getting it right.
Remember the EU views it ok to throw donkeys off the church steeple as the local nuns wave their religious book.

I agree badger culling is abhorrent and eventually they will have to adopt a vaccination programme, ( cost issue again ). The evidence is now in front of them that the cull did not work but bovine tuberculosis is something we can not turn our back on in the hope that it will go away.


There isn't any edict in ANY religion calling for donkeys to be thrown from a roof. Purely 'Spanish practices'. We ought to be limiting immigration from Spain and imposing a boycott. Stop eating their vile out of season tomatoes or banking with averious outfits like Santandair.


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post Feb 2 2018, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 2 2018, 03:24 PM) *
There isn't any edict in ANY religion calling for donkeys to be thrown from a roof. Purely 'Spanish practices'. We ought to be limiting immigration from Spain and imposing a boycott. Stop eating their vile out of season tomatoes or banking with averious outfits like Santandair.



Guess they do it because they can, not because their particular god says they have to. It is on a par with an extreme islamist blowing up women and children, their chosen one is not around to say "you shouldn't do that" so they deem it ok to go ahead.

I agree with submitting my protest via the wallet but that is not going to prevent it happening.


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post Feb 2 2018, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 2 2018, 03:24 PM) *
There isn't any edict in ANY religion calling for donkeys to be thrown from a roof. Purely 'Spanish practices'. We ought to be limiting immigration from Spain and imposing a boycott. Stop eating their vile out of season tomatoes or banking with averious outfits like Santandair.

But, the point your circumventing is that EU law is failing to stop the practice so either it's not fit for purpose or, more likely it's just Britain where EU laws are enforced, not Spain.


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post Feb 2 2018, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 2 2018, 06:07 PM) *
But, the point your circumventing is that EU law is failing to stop the practice so either it's not fit for purpose or, more likely it's just Britain where EU laws are enforced, not Spain.


Maybe we should throw a few remoners off the steeple while Jeremy Corbyn sits on a hypothetical fence trying to decide if they are sentient beings. No law against it as far as I can see apart from contravening the Environmental Protection Act 1990, but we can argue that it our cultural right as defined under the treaty of rome and so be it. cool.gif


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post Feb 2 2018, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 2 2018, 06:07 PM) *
But, the point your circumventing is that EU law is failing to stop the practice so either it's not fit for purpose or, more likely it's just Britain where EU laws are enforced, not Spain.


As ever; we always implemented and enforced EU law; whilst the rest if the community laughed its head off!


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post Feb 3 2018, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 2 2018, 05:24 PM) *
There isn't any edict in ANY religion calling for donkeys to be thrown from a roof. Purely 'Spanish practices'. We ought to be limiting immigration from Spain and imposing a boycott. Stop eating their vile out of season tomatoes or banking with averious outfits like Santandair.

Do you know what OTE you are right!!
I am currently with Santander and have been considering changing for some time.
Your comments have finally nudged me into taking action!!
TSB here I come!! smile.gif
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post Feb 6 2018, 08:21 PM
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Back on topic again, well, same knife, different target.
Posted Yesterday by @SurreyPolice for Today.

Tomorrow is International Day of Zero Tolerance for FGM. FGM is hugely under-reported and children are often fearful to report a crime committed by their family or community. Find your voice, let girls be girls and help fight against FGM

Surrey Police‏Verified account @SurreyPolice

We're saddened that a few people have taken this post as an opportunity to respond by posting Islamaphobic abuse. Please be aware that such responses are being reported to Twitter and will be passed onto our intelligence teams.

If you follow the tweets, you will see an overwhelming distrust of those in authority doing nothing.


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post Feb 6 2018, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 6 2018, 08:21 PM) *
Back on topic again, well, same knife, different target.
Posted Yesterday by @SurreyPolice for Today.

Tomorrow is International Day of Zero Tolerance for FGM. FGM is hugely under-reported and children are often fearful to report a crime committed by their family or community. Find your voice, let girls be girls and help fight against FGM

Surrey Police‏Verified account @SurreyPolice

We're saddened that a few people have taken this post as an opportunity to respond by posting Islamaphobic abuse. Please be aware that such responses are being reported to Twitter and will be passed onto our intelligence teams.

If you follow the tweets, you will see an overwhelming distrust of those in authority doing nothing.


The mere thought of FGM is abhorrent. The fact that mothers/aunts are taking their charges on"holiday" in order to have this barbarism performed for no other reason than it is written in some medieval script is bad enough, but to then accuse those who express disgust as islamophobic does little to forward integration.
Like the lamb in the slaughterhouse the indignant view of the majority is meaningless to those who are suffering.


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post Feb 6 2018, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 6 2018, 09:30 PM) *
The mere thought of FGM is abhorrent. The fact that mothers/aunts are taking their charges on"holiday" in order to have this barbarism performed for no other reason than it is written in some medieval script is bad enough, but to then accuse those who express disgust as islamophobic does little to forward integration.
Like the lamb in the slaughterhouse the indignant view of the majority is meaningless to those who are suffering.


I dont believe in a higher being so Islam has no meaning to me or indeed Christianity or any other fairy in the sky. Does that mean it is Islamophobic to criticise practioners of FGM or indeed Christianophobic to criticise paedophile priests? Oh... Its ok to criticise paedophile priests and quite right too. I'd personally see something nasty to happen to them. Just treat all crimes as that.... Crimes. No good comes out of letting minorities or smaller religious groups off. It just emboldens them. A crime is a crime is a crime. White, Black, or Brown.
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post Feb 7 2018, 12:16 AM
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It is islamaphobic to criticise Muslims over FGM becaise it's not a Muslim problem. It's practised by plenty of backwards people who all believe in different made up deities.
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