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> Halal, why should we put up with this?, If fox hunting with dogs is outlawed, why not Halal?
je suis Charlie
post Jan 28 2018, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 28 2018, 10:10 PM) *
Anyway, it looks like all slaughterhouses will be forced to have CCTV now, not too soon.

STILL doesn't address the issue of the cruelty of non stunning though, does it angry.gif
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post Jan 29 2018, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 28 2018, 09:23 PM) *
What a load of twisted emotional twaddle! Yes SOME male calves go to the veal trade, and yes that's vile, the rest of the argument, basically, TOSH! Still doesn't quite compare to animals being abused, tortured, skinned alive etc just because of some perceived "cultural difference"

And this comes from someone who ares for animal welfare; cruelty is cruelty whether for religious purposes or modern convenience.

https://www.peta.org/features/dairy-industry-cruelty/
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post Jan 29 2018, 11:42 AM
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In the interest of balance I give you another side of a multi-sided coin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42833132

One never hears of these people taking the issue up with the local council to police the abattoirs under their jurisdiction, we don't see them lobbying parliament, and we certainly don't see them engage in the broader debate, but they consider it ok to bully farmers and consumers alike while turning a blind eye to the real culprits. Animal cruelty along with child abuse gets a lot of people hot under the collar but it still goes on and will do so till the end of time because it is in the human DNA.


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post Jan 29 2018, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 29 2018, 11:42 AM) *
In the interest of balance I give you another side of a multi-sided coin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42833132

One never hears of these people taking the issue up with the local council to police the abattoirs under their jurisdiction, we don't see them lobbying parliament, and we certainly don't see them engage in the broader debate, but they consider it ok to bully farmers and consumers alike while turning a blind eye to the real culprits. Animal cruelty along with child abuse gets a lot of people hot under the collar but it still goes on and will do so till the end of time because it is in the human DNA.

There are some very vocal lobby groups and activists alike.

https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/the-truth-about-halal-meat/
http://www.theweek.co.uk/58447/halal-meat-...ruel-to-animals
https://www.peta.org/features/agriprocessors/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...-slaughterhouse
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...y-10019467.html
https://uk.reuters.com/article/soccer-champ...N0GO1V820130823
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post Jan 29 2018, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 29 2018, 11:42 AM) *
In the interest of balance I give you another side of a multi-sided coin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42833132

One never hears of these people taking the issue up with the local council to police the abattoirs under their jurisdiction, we don't see them lobbying parliament, and we certainly don't see them engage in the broader debate, but they consider it ok to bully farmers and consumers alike while turning a blind eye to the real culprits. Animal cruelty along with child abuse gets a lot of people hot under the collar but it still goes on and will do so till the end of time because it is in the human DNA.


I think the opening three words of the second paragraph outlines the problem.

Even true even locally; how many protests have we seen? How many 'letters to the editor'? How many bespoke emails / letters to Councillors / MPs?


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post Jan 29 2018, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 29 2018, 01:56 PM) *


I consider the Grauniad article particularly measured. As has been outlined by others this is a cruelty matter, the fact that it is carried out by those who some would like to see removed from the UK only highlights the need for all parties to ensure it is eradicated. The muslim community could and should show itself as completely integrated by recognising public feeling instead of waving the race/religious banner.

I do not know if anyone who is of islamic persuasion reads this forum but I would welcome their input.


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post Jan 29 2018, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 29 2018, 04:00 PM) *
I consider the Grauniad article particularly measured. As has been outlined by others this is a cruelty matter, the fact that it is carried out by those who some would like to see removed from the UK only highlights the need for all parties to ensure it is eradicated. The muslim community could and should show itself as completely integrated by recognising public feeling instead of waving the race/religious banner.

I do not know if anyone who is of islamic persuasion reads this forum but I would welcome their input.


This thread is now over 5 years old without what I can see, a representative view from the faith.

We can only wait, so time will tell.


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post Jan 29 2018, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 29 2018, 01:59 PM) *
I think the opening three words of the second paragraph outlines the problem.

Even true even locally; how many protests have we seen? How many 'letters to the editor'? How many bespoke emails / letters to Councillors / MPs?

Validior vox operis quam oris!
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post Jan 29 2018, 07:05 PM
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While Halal may raise temperature, from what I have read, kosha is possibly worse. My view is simply all creatures should be stunned and not within sight or earshot of each other. No exceptions.
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post Jan 29 2018, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 29 2018, 07:05 PM) *
While Halal may raise temperature, from what I have read, kosha is possibly worse. My view is simply all creatures should be stunned and not within sight or earshot of each other. No exceptions.



Exactly. What is the point of having a law for one, ( a "British" abattoir ), and no law for those who chose to run it on "religious grounds?


Si fueris Rōmae, Rōmānō vīvitō mōre as the locals say,.............. but not if it offends your tame tooth fairy. angry.gif


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post Jan 29 2018, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jan 29 2018, 05:30 PM) *
This thread is now over 5 years old without what I can see, a representative view from the faith.

We can only wait, so time will tell.


Bit like the supposed second coming, probably best to assume that it ain't gonna happen. Quod erat demonstrandum.


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post Jan 29 2018, 08:09 PM
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post Jan 29 2018, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 29 2018, 08:09 PM) *
You need to start a thread about the evils of British life. Might get some comments then.😂

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post Jan 30 2018, 07:22 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 29 2018, 07:05 PM) *
While Halal may raise temperature, from what I have read, kosha is possibly worse. My view is simply all creatures should be stunned and not within sight or earshot of each other. No exceptions.


I think most people would agree with that; there can't be any exceptions.
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post Jan 30 2018, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jan 29 2018, 07:30 PM) *
This thread is now over 5 years old without what I can see, a representative view from the faith.

We can only wait, so time will tell.

You will wait forever.
For them there is no argument.
Brainwashed from birth with no permitted counter view!
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post Jan 30 2018, 11:25 AM
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A contributing problem is that the closure of local abattoirs has concentrated the process into a few units that are operating on an industrial scale. Coupled with the fact that slaughterhouse staff are paid piece work and corners are going to be cut.
We are all aware by now that, apart from kosher, religion is not a factor so it boils down to a complete disregard to an animals suffering.

The complete hypocrisy is that we, as a society, dictate to the rest of the world on animal welfare yet we can't even put our own house in order.


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post Jan 30 2018, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jan 29 2018, 05:30 PM) *
This thread is now over 5 years old without what I can see, a representative view from the faith.

We can only wait, so time will tell.

As none of the 7 users of the forum are moslems the wait will probably be a very long one.
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post Jan 30 2018, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jan 30 2018, 07:00 PM) *
As none of the 7 users of the forum are moslems the wait will probably be a very long one.

This forum is racist! Close it down.
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post Jan 30 2018, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 30 2018, 08:52 PM) *
This forum is racist! Close it down.

And Imperialist!
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post Jan 31 2018, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 30 2018, 10:04 PM) *
And Imperialist!


And a waste of f***ing time to get anything done, but at least we can have a mutual rant which makes us feel better............Or does it?


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