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TV Police (Bad) driving record, Wonder how many were not Class 1 drivers? |
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Dec 29 2013, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Dec 29 2013, 12:19 PM) That Reading incident, looked like it was caused by what they used to call "Panda's" as opposed to more highly trained Traffic Officers. See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25...rs-400-000.htmlHow do you come to that conclusion?
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Dec 30 2013, 02:15 AM
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I think while we all are in agreement that there are times some members of the police force do abuse their blues and twos occasionally, how can you ever really prove it? Systems to log when lights are used, vehicle speed and more importantly location, as well as link that to call outs would be an expensive system to install, being a government body this system would have to be installed and maintained appropriately, would be put out to tender for hundreds of companies and take at least a year before it even went to the drawing board. I certainly know how negatively I would feel about being "watched" or "monitored" at work. It's bad for morale and makes you feel that your employer doesn't trust your work or your word...to be monitored while I'm driving would not be something I'd be a huge fan of. Unfortunately people die from time to time while on the road and some of those people die in police chases. I think, if my memory serves me correctly, a thread discussing the above crash was on here somewhere, and I think I was defending the driver (probably not, I don't even know what I defend these days) HOWEVER if he was in a police chase and crashed, whether that was because he was hit by a chasing police car or not, it's his fault for being in a chase!! It's inevitable really, people run around flailing their arms saying DEATH IS BAD, CARS ARE BAD, THEY KILL PUPPIES but with so many cars on the road and so many idiots driving them (especially in those stupid VW's with stupid coloured wheels ) it is only inevitable that sometimes cars will crash into each other and sometimes people will die. Only where serious mistakes are made can we possibly "learn" from these but normally this would just mean put a speed camera up which changes nothing. We actually have quite good death rates in the UK on the roads.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...ated_death_ratehttp://ec.europa.eu/transport/wcm/road_saf...port%202008.pdf
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Dec 30 2013, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 29 2013, 10:25 PM) There were also reports this weekend that the Scottish Government may well let 'emergency vehicles' pass speed cameras with impunity. Presently each speeding vehicle is investigated to check that it really was on an emergency. Apparently thus check is 'too onerous' and 'costly'. If they pull that off, won't be long before it's imposed in UK.
Must admit, I'd want to see some more numbers, vis how many speeding emergency vehicles passed cameras that weren't on emergencies.
The continued abuse of these privileges is simply adding to the declining reputation of he emergency services. You are mistaken. For years, when an emergency vehicle caused a camera activation the driver would report to the control room and the message would be linked to the appropriate 'emergency' and the information passed to the Central Ticket Office so the ticket was never issued. Due to demands for transparency, and advances in technology, the process has become the same as for everyone else - the notification is sent out, the owner identifies the driver and the driver then has to submit evidence so the issue can be withdrawn or proceeded with. Outcome is the same, but far more bureaucratic and labour intensive. The intention is to revert to a simpler process. There is/will be no impunity. It all depends how you want your public service £s spent
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Dec 30 2013, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 30 2013, 12:16 PM) You are mistaken. For years, when an emergency vehicle caused a camera activation the driver would report to the control room and the message would be linked to the appropriate 'emergency' and the information passed to the Central Ticket Office so the ticket was never issued.
Due to demands for transparency, and advances in technology, the process has become the same as for everyone else - the notification is sent out, the owner identifies the driver and the driver then has to submit evidence so the issue can be withdrawn or proceeded with. Outcome is the same, but far more bureaucratic and labour intensive.
The intention is to revert to a simpler process. There is/will be no impunity. It all depends how you want your public service £s spent Presumably as mistaken as the Sunday Times, the Scottish Police Chief, and the Scottish Minister. The process(s) you outline clearly had significant manual intervention which is exactly what the proposal is seeking to eliminate. Given what has happened in very recent times, I don't think I'm alone in thinking that the word of a Policeman on its own wouldn't be sufficient.
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Dec 30 2013, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 30 2013, 12:28 PM) Presumably as mistaken as the Sunday Times, the Scottish Police Chief, and the Scottish Minister. The process(s) you outline clearly had significant manual intervention which is exactly what the proposal is seeking to eliminate. Given what has happened in very recent times, I don't think I'm alone in thinking that the word of a Policeman on its own wouldn't be sufficient. I was talking about emergency services, not just the police. I have not read the articles/comments you refer to, but I was in Scotland when the news first arose. I know a little of what I talk about, including that making an ordinary statement newsworthy is a standard lesson for journos. The word of the driver alone was never enough, as the activation had to be logged in an already open incident. The penalties for lying are far greater than those for speeding......
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Dec 30 2013, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Dec 30 2013, 04:45 PM) "Some sort of enforcement?" Ask!! TVP FOI link
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Dec 30 2013, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 30 2013, 04:24 PM) I have not read the articles/comments you refer to.... Ah, that explains a lot.
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Dec 30 2013, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 30 2013, 05:44 PM) Ah, that explains a lot. But I have read others..... Frinstance
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Dec 30 2013, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 30 2013, 06:08 PM) But I have read others..... FrinstanceGood. The serious point here is that speed limits are in place to protect us. It is quite wrong to save one life by risking many others. The emergency services should break traffic regulations in very exceptional circumstances only. Yes, I have been on the 'receiving end' with major medical problems twice.
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Dec 30 2013, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 30 2013, 06:53 PM) Good. The serious point here is that speed limits are in place to protect us. It is quite wrong to save one life by risking many others. The emergency services should break traffic regulations in very exceptional circumstances only. Yes, I have been on the 'receiving end' with major medical problems twice. Do police vehicles have any dataloggers fitted as standard? I'd assumed there was something, considering that Faringdon volunteer emergency responder incident; ie he was dismissed (initially), on basis of the satnav record showing he had exceeded a 20mph limit, despite being on Blues + Two's. (Subsequently reinstated, following public reaction.)
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Dec 30 2013, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Dec 30 2013, 08:25 PM) Do police vehicles have any dataloggers fitted as standard? I'd assumed there was something, considering that Faringdon volunteer emergency responder incident; ie he was dismissed (initially), on basis of the satnav record showing he had exceeded a 20mph limit, despite being on Blues + Two's. (Subsequently reinstated, following public reaction.) Don't know, but wouldn't be surprised, they are quite inexpensive. Farringdon case was interesting dismissal was probably too harsh a penalty, perhaps a written warning. Also 20mph without loggers is almost impossible to enforce and isn't if amazing that the very people who want 20mph limits to protect kiddies playing in the street, seem willing to risk their lives on the basis of a possible emergency.
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