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Posted by: Simon Kirby Oct 5 2016, 05:57 AM

Leader quits after 18 days. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37558485

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 5 2016, 06:27 AM

I heard she was spat at.

Posted by: JeffG Oct 5 2016, 01:09 PM

And Farage is back again. What a joke this party is!

Posted by: On the edge Oct 5 2016, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 5 2016, 02:09 PM) *
And Farage is back again. What a joke this party is!


Makes you wonder why they don't do better in our local pantomime; presumably because we have bigger comedians laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 5 2016, 07:40 PM

Call me Nige is back! Yippee!

Posted by: On the edge Oct 5 2016, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 5 2016, 08:40 PM) *
Call me Nige is back! Yippee!


You are like a big kid Je suits Charlie!

Still, he is like a child's Christmas present, great at the time, but in a day or two the batteries are flag and the wheels have come off.

He's only there for a few weeks whilst another election takes place

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 5 2016, 10:10 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 5 2016, 10:16 PM) *
You are like a big kid Je suits Charlie!

Still, he is like a child's Christmas present, great at the time, but in a day or two the batteries are flag and the wheels have come off.

He's only there for a few weeks whilst another election takes place


Marmite Nige has changed the whole Country. Love him or hate him he is one of the most interesting and important politicians of the last 40 years.

Posted by: newres Oct 6 2016, 04:55 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 5 2016, 11:10 PM) *
Marmite Nige has changed the whole Country. Love him or hate him he is one of the most interesting and important politicians of the last 40 years.

Arguably he has divided the country. Well, that's how I see it. He's a bit of a joke really, with his Union Jack shoes.

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 6 2016, 05:09 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 5 2016, 11:10 PM) *
Marmite Nige has changed the whole Country. Love him or hate him he is one of the most interesting and important politicians of the last 40 years.

That is very true TDH.
He and his party are certainly not a "joke".
If they were we would not have seen the momentous changes that have and will occur since that vote in June.
A vote which would not have happened without Nigel and his "joke" party.
However, now that this has been achieved I am also unsure what the party now stands for.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 6 2016, 06:25 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 6 2016, 06:09 AM) *
That is very true TDH.
He and his party are certainly not a "joke".
If they were we would not have seen the momentous changes that have and will occur since that vote in June.
A vote which would not have happened without Nigel and his "joke" party.
However, now that this has been achieved I am also unsure what the party now stands for.


That's the nub of it. Without taking anything away from what he's done, he (or rather his party activists) have fallen into the classic trap - what comes next?

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 6 2016, 06:30 AM

Bear in mind we have no independence yet, and our mate Nige doesn't seem interested in being politically a part of its isolation; if we ever get there. Legally the referendum means nothing. If he is to claim a victory it is now he needs to be there brow beating the government and holding it to account in the negotiations.

Posted by: newres Oct 6 2016, 06:32 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 6 2016, 06:09 AM) *
That is very true TDH.
He and his party are certainly not a "joke".
If they were we would not have seen the momentous changes that have and will occur since that vote in June.
A vote which would not have happened without Nigel and his "joke" party.
However, now that this has been achieved I am also unsure what the party now stands for.

Certainly what they have "accomplished" is no joke. And UKIP are no joke, but he is. He could just as easily be a nutty Bavarian in Lederhosen if he was German. He's a caricature.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 6 2016, 06:37 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 6 2016, 07:32 AM) *
Certainly what they have "accomplished" is no joke. And UKIP are no joke, but he is. He could just as easily be a nutty Bavarian in Lederhosen if he was German. He's a caricature.

I think your argument is the wrong way round. Nigel is the only sentient being in the party. The party is a joke without him.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Oct 6 2016, 07:01 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 6 2016, 07:37 AM) *
I think your argument is the wrong way round. Nigel is the only sentient being in the party. The party is a joke without him.

The party management is chaotic but there are plenty of normal people in the rank and file, my major concern is that the views made normal by Farage and the success of the party were hitherto unacceptably intolerant and only voiced publicly by the National Front. UKIP may well continue as the new National Front but the Tories under May have pretty much stolen their clothes. May is positioning the Tory Party as the party of the working class right because she wants their votes though I don't really see the local Conservative Clubs being quite so welcoming when the white vans start parking in the car park and the new members expect to get in without a blazer, so I can see UKIP lingering as a local party of the far right and working nationally as a far-right pressure group influencing the Tories.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 6 2016, 09:48 AM

At least UKIP don't want to strip Britain naked then, humiliated and penniless, present us trussed up like a turkey on Christmas morning to the Russian paymaster. So on balance I'll take UKIP over labour thank you!

Posted by: newres Oct 6 2016, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 10:48 AM) *
At least UKIP don't want to strip Britain naked then, humiliated and penniless, present us trussed up like a turkey on Christmas morning to the Russian paymaster. So on balance I'll take UKIP over labour thank you!

Is that in the manifesto then?

Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 6 2016, 11:52 AM

I think he read it in the "hi, its Jeremy and this is momentum" party handbook. Otherwise known as 'how to hate Britain and get away with it! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 6 2016, 12:02 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 10:48 AM) *
At least UKIP don't want to strip Britain naked then, humiliated and penniless, present us trussed up like a turkey on Christmas morning to the Russian paymaster.

No, it's to an Indian, Arab, American, French or China one instead.

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 10:48 AM) *
So on balance I'll take UKIP over labour thank you!

Neither are suitable in my view.

Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 6 2016, 12:04 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 6 2016, 01:02 PM) *
No, it's to an Indian, Arab, American, French or China one instead.

Better dead than red cool.gif

Posted by: On the edge Oct 6 2016, 12:43 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 10:48 AM) *
At least UKIP don't want to strip Britain naked then, humiliated and penniless, present us trussed up like a turkey on Christmas morning to the Russian paymaster. So on balance I'll take UKIP over labour thank you!


Oh, I don't know Charlie, life in the tractor factory wasn't too bad, we always had a job and whatever overtime we needed. Three weeks paid on the Black Sea every year, a reasonable flat, all repairs included. Free top rate health care, glasses, teeth, the lot, kids at university for nothing, plus a gaurenteed pension. I'm not sure us peasants did that well when the wall came down Charlie, sure, we couldn't criticise the Government, but that don't get you lot do far do it?

Posted by: spartacus Oct 6 2016, 12:45 PM

Well everything is rosy in the UKIP garden then.... I guess Hookem couldn't be bothered to send Woolfe a card for his birthday..... if it's not imploding it seems to be doing something that makes it look like it's imploding...

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 6 2016, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 6 2016, 01:43 PM) *
Oh, I don't know Charlie, life in the tractor factory wasn't too bad, we always had a job and whatever overtime we needed. Three weeks paid on the Black Sea every year, a reasonable flat, all repairs included. Free top rate health care, glasses, teeth, the lot, kids at university for nothing, plus a gaurenteed pension. I'm not sure us peasants did that well when the wall came down Charlie, sure, we couldn't criticise the Government, but that don't get you lot do far do it?

Yeah, and cheap vodka an potato soup. O, and purges, don't forget the purges. And the secret police, can't leave them out.

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 6 2016, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 6 2016, 07:32 AM) *
Certainly what they have "accomplished" is no joke. And UKIP are no joke, but he is. He could just as easily be a nutty Bavarian in Lederhosen if he was German. He's a caricature.

Why "accomplished" in quotes?
I didn't use that word! rolleyes.gif
Did anyone else? unsure.gif

Posted by: On the edge Oct 6 2016, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 02:32 PM) *
Yeah, and cheap vodka an potato soup. O, and purges, don't forget the purges. And the secret police, can't leave them out.


As nice as your lager and kebabs. Of course, we in the UK tolerate dissidents don't we and our Police have always been lily white....umm.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 6 2016, 02:59 PM

Sorry......duplicate post, system very slow because MinIstry of Truth's agency (Google) is copying my output!

Posted by: GMR Oct 6 2016, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 5 2016, 06:57 AM) *
Leader quits after 18 days. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37558485





A bit like the Labour party; in fighting, and that is all it is. Who ever comes out on top must makes sure that it has the policies to go forward and take it in the right direction.


Posted by: GMR Oct 6 2016, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 5 2016, 08:40 PM) *
Call me Nige is back! Yippee!





He is only back until they elect a new leader.


Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 6 2016, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 6 2016, 03:59 PM) *
As nice as your lager and kebabs. Of course, we in the UK tolerate dissidents don't we and our Police have always been lily white....umm.

Ah, but, ah, right, as you were then, as you were. dry.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 6 2016, 03:16 PM

I have come to think of 'our Nige' as the steadying hand on the tiller that prevents the total capsize of the UKIP dinghy.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Oct 6 2016, 04:44 PM

No end to the drama as Woolfe is lamped at a UKIP party meeting and taken to hospital. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37572377

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 6 2016, 04:46 PM

"UKIP sources said "a rumbustious argument" had taken place at the MEPs' meeting at the European Parliament over whether Mr Woolfe had been talking to the Conservative Party. "Even the possibility of him talking to the Tory Party some saw as a betrayal and some MEPs were very angry," the sources said."

laugh.gif Brilliant!

Posted by: blackdog Oct 6 2016, 04:58 PM

QUOTE (GMR @ Oct 6 2016, 04:11 PM) *
He is only back until they elect a new leader.

According to him - their national executive appear more than a little peeved that he has decided to elect himself as king for another few months.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Oct 6 2016, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 6 2016, 05:46 PM) *
"UKIP sources said "a rumbustious argument" had taken place at the MEPs' meeting at the European Parliament over whether Mr Woolfe had been talking to the Conservative Party. "Even the possibility of him talking to the Tory Party some saw as a betrayal and some MEPs were very angry," the sources said."

laugh.gif Brilliant!

Apparently https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe-collapses-in-european-parliament feeling numb on his left side, though I figure that's normal for UKIP.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 6 2016, 06:41 PM

Bunch of knuckle draggers!


Who is Mike Hookem?

The Yorkshireman is UKIP’s defence spokesman and running to be deputy leader.
He has said previously he see his role as appealing to working class voters, trying to attract votes from Labour.

He joined UKIP in 2008 after a career in the Armed Forces.

Posted by: newres Oct 6 2016, 07:29 PM

I can't say I'm surprised and backs up the belief that they are not very different to BNP/NF. Some see Farage as an acceptable face but I think he's hateful and unpleasant.

Posted by: user23 Oct 6 2016, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 10:48 AM) *
At least UKIP don't want to strip Britain naked then, humiliated and penniless, present us trussed up like a turkey on Christmas morning to the Russian paymaster. So on balance I'll take UKIP over labour thank you!
Are you not aware of http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/479532/Nigel-Farage-is-another-of-Moscow-s-darlings-as-Putin-backs-Right?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 6 2016, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 6 2016, 08:29 PM) *
I can't say I'm surprised and backs up the belief that they are not very different to BNP/NF. Some see Farage as an acceptable face but I think he's hateful and unpleasant.

Unlike you.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 6 2016, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 6 2016, 09:07 PM) *
Are you not aware of http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/479532/Nigel-Farage-is-another-of-Moscow-s-darlings-as-Putin-backs-Right?


"Since then, six Ukip’s MEPs have made appearances on Russia Today, with Farage making almost monthly appearances on the state sponsored news channel. "



Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 6 2016, 08:36 PM

Don't forget his supposed support for Donald on the right. Just to add balance like.

Posted by: newres Oct 6 2016, 08:53 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 09:24 PM) *
Unlike you.

Thank you.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 6 2016, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 09:36 PM) *
Don't forget his supposed support for Donald on the right. Just to add balance like.

So for balance he is a Trump supporter?

"You can judge a man by the company he keeps".

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 6 2016, 10:08 PM

Bit like Corbyn then!

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 7 2016, 05:36 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 6 2016, 11:08 PM) *
Bit like Corbyn then!

Quite, except your arguments against Corbyn exist in ones you do support.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 7 2016, 01:46 PM

As usual, they all follow Labour's lead eventually! Lord Prescott taught his constituents well.

Posted by: GMR Oct 7 2016, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 6 2016, 05:59 PM) *
Apparently https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe-collapses-in-european-parliament feeling numb on his left side, though I figure that's normal for UKIP.


People across the board have been hoping that he (Woolfe) gets well, even though they don't agree with is politics. Even Labour's outcasts hope he gets better, but what do we get from a Corbynites? Jokes. With Corbyn's anti Jewish comments, attacks on their own Labour MP... Theresa May got it right when she said that Corbyn's Labour party is the "nasty party". Corbyn and his group are just a bunch of thugs. If that was a Corbyn Labour MP I would wish him well, not make jokes.


Posted by: Simon Kirby Oct 7 2016, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 6 2016, 05:59 PM) *
Apparently https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe-collapses-in-european-parliament feeling numb on his left side, though I figure that's normal for UKIP.

I apologise if my quip was insensitive.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 7 2016, 06:38 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 6 2016, 04:12 PM) *
Ah, but, ah, right, as you were then, as you were. dry.gif



We don't discriminate in England do we? Proud of that we are, that's why we fight wars....

Umm

See page 4 - NWN this week

Allotments open to all

Last paragraph says it all The Council says it reserves the right to exclude requests to be added to the allotment waiting list and/or refuse people to enter into allotment tenancy agreement.

Presumably, space was too short to add the reasons why and Google is similarly silent. laugh.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 7 2016, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (GMR @ Oct 7 2016, 04:02 PM) *
People across the board have been hoping that he (Woolfe) gets well, even though they don't agree with is politics. Even Labour's outcasts hope he gets better, but what do we get from a Corbynites? Jokes. With Corbyn's anti Jewish comments, attacks on their own Labour MP... Theresa May got it right when she said that Corbyn's Labour party is the "nasty party". Corbyn and his group are just a bunch of thugs. If that was a Corbyn Labour MP I would wish him well, not make jokes.

May's "nasty party" comment drew laugh's from the audience accompanied with a smirk from her.

Posted by: GMR Oct 9 2016, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 7 2016, 07:40 PM) *
May's "nasty party" comment drew laugh's from the audience accompanied with a smirk from her.





Define "smirk"? And she is right, the Labour party has now become the "nasty" party. And all this has started when Corbyn took power and Monment infiltrated themselves within the party.


Posted by: JeffG Oct 9 2016, 03:55 PM

QUOTE (GMR @ Oct 9 2016, 04:50 PM) *
Define "smirk"?

Do we really need to, when all that is needed is a dictionary?

Posted by: newres Oct 9 2016, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (GMR @ Oct 9 2016, 04:50 PM) *
Define "smirk"? .

It's what Geordies do with their tabs.

Posted by: GMR Oct 9 2016, 05:55 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 9 2016, 04:55 PM) *
Do we really need to, when all that is needed is a dictionary?





My point is it will mean different things to different people, more so when the person who is saying it is hostile. I didn't see it as a smirk and nor did millions of others. You support Corbyn so you and that lot will see it as a smirk.


Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 10 2016, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (GMR @ Oct 9 2016, 06:55 PM) *
My point is it will mean different things to different people, more so when the person who is saying it is hostile. I didn't see it as a smirk and nor did millions of others. You support Corbyn so you and that lot will see it as a smirk.

I don't support Corbyn, nor indeed the Labour Party, and I saw it as a smirk: a smug, conceited smile.

https://youtu.be/uiB1C_YJ4QE

Posted by: On the edge Oct 10 2016, 11:39 AM

I think she was being ironic, it was she who originally coined the phrase and applied it to the Tories! Anyway, agree with them or not, they've now got good justification to be smug, it's the only party left still in one piece!

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 10 2016, 12:36 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 10 2016, 12:39 PM) *
I think she was being ironic, it was she who originally coined the phrase and applied it to the Tories! Anyway, agree with them or not, they've now got good justification to be smug, it's the only party left still in one piece!

A number of years a go it was the otherway round and I remember people writing off the Tories as a spent force, but what goes round comes around.

Posted by: GMR Oct 10 2016, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 10 2016, 09:42 AM) *
I don't support Corbyn, nor indeed the Labour Party, and I saw it as a smirk: a smug, conceited smile. https://youtu.be/uiB1C_YJ4QE





You saw it that way, I didn't.


Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 10 2016, 05:46 PM


Posted by: newres Oct 10 2016, 07:03 PM

It's all a bit of a red herring anyway as there is only one nasty party and that's the Conservatives. The nasty comes from the way they are willing to let poor people who will never vote for them suffer in the interests of the few.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 10 2016, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 10 2016, 08:03 PM) *
It's all a bit of a red herring anyway as there is only one nasty party and that's the Conservatives. The nasty comes from the way they are willing to let poor people who will never vote for them suffer in the interests of the few.

Quite. Not building 'social housing' because it will only create more Labour voters.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 10 2016, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 10 2016, 08:20 PM) *
Quite. Not building 'social housing' because it will only create more Labour voters.


Well, as you rightly said earlier, what goes round comes round. Let's just hope this is the crest of the wave.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 10 2016, 07:33 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 10 2016, 08:22 PM) *
Well, as you rightly said earlier, what goes round comes round. Let's just hope this is the crest of the wave.

You mean the bottom of the trough! 😋

Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 10 2016, 11:31 PM

You lot never look at the positives do you? All us rich Tory scum in our mansions, and what do mansions have? Chimneys, that's what, so, there's job creation in action for 12 year olds right there! Tsk! I dunno.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 11 2016, 02:30 AM

Another one is the amount of parties there are to hurl rotten veg at too!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 11 2016, 05:42 AM

Let them eat brioche!

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