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Posted by: newres Mar 21 2018, 06:51 PM

I can’t help but think the hype over the Salisbury attack and some of the talk of Government is seriously out of proportion to the importance of the event to this country and I can’t help but think it’s oartly being driven to get Brexit off the front page.

It’s at worst a political assassination. We’ve seen it before and doubtless we’ll see it again.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 21 2018, 07:47 PM

Does seem strange that it happened at a time that Brexit negotiators had taken a week off. What is even more obvious is that it coincided with Putin dipping his toe in the democratic pond and, surprise surprise, his countrymen rally their support for the poor fellow.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 21 2018, 08:46 PM

The EU has finally woken up to the huge hole we are going to leave in project federal europe so is finally beginning to talk in a more reconciling manner. As for the Russians I doubt Putin ordered it but he was probably given the option of saying no. As it happens it fitted his agenda so let "them" carry on. I expect that the #novachok agent used was old and probably not as potent and therefore this was the outcome. I still think it was likely a drone delivery.

Posted by: newres Mar 21 2018, 09:17 PM

Whatever, it couldn’t have come at a better time for the government and they are keeping it on the front pages. Our press are being manipulated in my opinion.

As for your point in the EU waking up, there is no deal yet and the terms of the holding period are the th me UK adheres to EU law. Northern Ireland is going to be the biggie. As it stands NI will be isolated from the rest of the UK.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 21 2018, 10:38 PM

You seem to be hinting that it was MI5 or someone because it suits your narrative. Just as a matter of interest if a deal were struck to sort out the NI issue I presume you would be disappointed???? Speaks volumes....

Posted by: newres Mar 22 2018, 06:54 AM

No, I believe it was Russians. I don’t believe necessarily it st was a state sanctioned killing though. Why do it now? They had him in jail for long enough. He is a traitor after all. No one on here would be moaning if it was as Kim Philby.

Re Northern Ireland. There is no solution unless Eire and the EU are willing to forego a border. Why should they?

And if it scuppers Brexit, yes I’d be happy because All Independant forecasts predict a decline. Even the PM believes it is bad for the country. The whole thing is absurd.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 22 2018, 04:05 PM

Then why did they ask us numbskulls in the first place?
The very fact that you are against it pleases me that I voted to leave and that it was the right decision!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 22 2018, 04:35 PM

No, the fact that the democratic vote of the people shows they want to leave is immaterial to him. Me? Got some champagne on ice just waiting.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 22 2018, 05:02 PM

You forget. Newres is far more intelligent than you thickos.😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 23 2018, 03:36 PM

Or as Mr Shakespeare alluded "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool".

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 05:13 PM

I've seen less floundering in a rock pool at low tide.

Posted by: newres Apr 2 2018, 05:25 PM

Trump’s obviously not too bothered as he’s invited Putin to the White House.

Posted by: On the edge Apr 2 2018, 06:22 PM

Of course! It never was serious, all good knockabout fun! UK keep coughing up to keep the game going, Trump gets buffed up as an astute statesman, Putin back on the top table......also rans wetting themselves. Triples all round.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 2 2018, 11:51 PM

What's a trade war between friends?

Posted by: newres Apr 3 2018, 09:16 PM

Well, we’ll, well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43633694

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 3 2018, 11:03 PM

This sort of journalism is frustrating; it wasn’t their job to explain its source.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 4 2018, 12:54 AM

Been on the weed again?

Posted by: newres Apr 4 2018, 04:57 AM

The problem is that we were told by the government that it was established that Russia was the source. That is why we can’t trust them to tell us the truth.

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 4 2018, 05:13 AM

No we can’t trust them, but it doesn’t help when journalists twist the truth to promote a headline. It also doesn’t help when a PD spokesman makes it easy for a journalist to makes misleading headlines by using a poor choice if words.

Posted by: newres Apr 4 2018, 05:29 AM

This is the first time we’ve been told the truth. And it’s not front page news this time. Once again Jeremy Corbyn was right despite all of the abuse he and anyone who supported his position received. There is no smoking gun. The evidence is just circumstantial.

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 4 2018, 07:17 AM

The evidence we know of is circumstantial.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 4 2018, 07:23 AM

Quite. Though if Newres works for the security forces perhaps he is in the know. Perhaps the trail of evidence points to the Avon lady and a bad batch of Chanel No 5?😂

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 4 2018, 08:01 AM

It won’t matter now; him and Biker1 have eloped! Looking for something a little more highbrow and sympathetic to their views it seems.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 4 2018, 08:48 AM

Highbrow, yes. Sympathetic to my views, no.
All up for reasoned, adult debate.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 4 2018, 09:41 AM

If someone can prove its not Russia. Saying there's no proof positive is not the same. All indications point towards Putin.

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 4 2018, 11:31 AM

It is not easy to prove a negative; but I agree with the sentiment that it wouldn’t surprise me if the Russian state were found to be involved.

I don’t; however, think Russia are unique; the Dr Kelly death looks very suss.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 4 2018, 11:47 AM

Hey! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

Posted by: newres Apr 4 2018, 05:45 PM

I see the Foreign Office have deleted a tweet blaming Russia. This has the whiff of foul play to me by the government in that they appear to have exaggerated the evidence against Russia. Coincidentally this all blew up at the time of the Brexit agreement and totally taking it off the front page. Heads should roll. The first one should be the buffoon Boris Johnson.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 4 2018, 06:36 PM

I'm of the opinion that the security forces know who dunnit and have shown the evidence to our EU partners. It may well be an on going security operation that prevents the full evidence being given to Jo Public. That may well explain the Boris outrage. Hes not known for keeping secrets well without a level of venting....

Posted by: newres Apr 4 2018, 07:23 PM

And if it wasn’t for the dodgy dossier I might have believed that. Our leaders cannot be trusted.

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 4 2018, 07:46 PM

Nor can the big bad bear.

Posted by: newres Apr 4 2018, 08:16 PM

True, but it doesn’t mean that the government sanctioned the attack. And let’s be honest it was clearly botched. The point is that the government portrayed to us that the Russians were behind it when they had nothing but circumstantial evidence. We’ve now got the Foreign Office deleting tweets. JC was correct in his response. Again.

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 4 2018, 09:16 PM

I am not sure it was clearly botched.

Our government from the outset used language that stopped short of saying it definitely was. I know BoJo sad what he said, but whose to say he is lying; the PB bloke might have said as much at the time, or BoJo may have misunderstood; that is feasible. The deleting of tweets is tantamount to the same thing.

I think Corbyn was right to urge caution; however, I think Russia has done enough already to earn the sanctions they have now; perhaps had the West been more robust with its response to the Litvinenko murder, things may have been different now. Mind you, the Litvinenko evidence was circumstantial too.

I think it is too early to say that Corbyn has been proved right and to coin a phrase “nothing has changed”.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 4 2018, 09:16 PM

I think JC has a superfan... I think he is a danger to society. The truth will out. Hopefully.....

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 4 2018, 11:58 PM

Fan Boy or Soy Boy? Yeah, truth always outs eventually. He's damaged goods now, slippery slope for him.

Posted by: newres Apr 5 2018, 04:27 AM

Well you are correct. And on such issues in the past, Corbyn has been proved correct.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/16/jeremy-corbyn-leadership-david-cameron-libya-labour