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post Jun 17 2017, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 03:38 PM) *
Ah, yes, the underclass, turning to thuggery, sits well with your Corbynite leanings.


I just knew it, usual threats, I think was you who was promoting physical violence by landlords against those supporting tenants with legitimate grevances. All I've suggested is assertive passive resistance! Nice.


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post Jun 17 2017, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 03:57 PM) *
Actually, given me a germ of an idea, got a friend with a construction​ business, should be able to find some lads to hire out to disgruntled landlords with scum tenants who won't pay rent. Yeah pay a friendly visit, just to pay respects of course, nothing nasty, but entitled to a bit of fun like. Boot swings both ways lad. Yeah, money to be made there I'm sure. Thanks for the idea. I like a bit of 'social justice'.


Quite. It's going to be an interesting period ahead isn't it? Presumably your black shirt is nicely ironed.


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post Jun 17 2017, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 04:11 PM) *
Send me a leaflet if you get it off the ground, had a run of shocking tenants last year or so. 🤐


Certainly, but it might be more advisable to use competent letting agents in future.


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post Jun 17 2017, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 04:15 PM) *
I just knew it, usual threats, I think was you who was promoting physical violence by landlords against those supporting tenants with legitimate grevances. All I've suggested is assertive passive resistance! Nice.

I think we'll market it as landlord assistance, for when the law just isn't enough. Costs will be low, borrow a crew bus, twenty five or fifty per lad, oh and pickaxe handles. Wonder if they're tax deductible? I could take what? 5%? Cheaper and quicker than bailiffs.
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post Jun 17 2017, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I think we'll market it as landlord assistance, for when the law just isn't enough. Costs will be low, borrow a crew bus, twenty five or fifty per lad, oh and pickaxe handles. Wonder if they're tax deductible? I could take what? 5%? Cheaper and quicker than bailiffs.

I've done debt collection in my 'yoof'. Not fun, would have liked the option of a pickaxe handle at times. Hi hum 🤔
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post Jun 17 2017, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 04:20 PM) *
Certainly, but it might be more advisable to use competent letting agents in future.

Oh I do, trouble is it takes months when the laws on their side. Some of them are little better than animals as well and they all so sweet when the let starts 👹
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post Jun 17 2017, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I think we'll market it as landlord assistance, for when the law just isn't enough. Costs will be low, borrow a crew bus, twenty five or fifty per lad, oh and pickaxe handles. Wonder if they're tax deductible? I could take what? 5%? Cheaper and quicker than bailiffs.


Then there's the insurance costs, we 'underclass' use no win no fee briefs at the drop of a hat. That's the trouble with giving out physical violence, difficult to prove you haven't caused an injury. And if you are going down the paying real money route, so easy to trace these days.


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post Jun 17 2017, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 04:44 PM) *
Oh I do, trouble is it takes months when the laws on their side. Some of them are little better than animals as well and they all so sweet when the let starts 👹


If the law is on their side, how can they be bad tenants?


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post Jun 17 2017, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 05:06 PM) *
If the law is on their side, how can they be bad tenants?


Yeah. Let's take the houses off the rich. Scum rich. Die all of you.
Public executions. Thats what we need. Mays head on a pike.😵
Then lets stop elections and make JC dictator.
Yay!!!! GO JC.

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post Jun 17 2017, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 17 2017, 05:55 PM) *
Yeah. Let's take the houses off the rich. Scum rich. Die all of you.
Public executions. Thats what we need. Mays head on a pike.��
Then lets stop elections and make JC dictator.
Yay!!!! GO JC.


Simply trying to point out that the law is by common consent fair. In this case Turin Machine says its on the side of the tenants.

I suppose we could take it to mean that he has to go through due process, as pertains to any other contractural litigation, before he can put his case. What's wrong with that?




Ironically, as George Orwell, a true socialist commentator implied, rich landlords are the best. They can afford to manage properties properly. Nothing with private renting, so long as it's done fairly and properly. The trouble is experience demonstrates private landlords, even when they are charities, don't do that.


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post Jun 17 2017, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 05:04 PM) *
Then there's the insurance costs, we 'underclass' use no win no fee briefs at the drop of a hat. That's the trouble with giving out physical violence, difficult to prove you haven't caused an injury. And if you are going down the paying real money route, so easy to trace these days.

Naw, easy peasy, ta very for the idea. I'll float it around next week.
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post Jun 17 2017, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 05:06 PM) *
If the law is on their side, how can they be bad tenants?

Wrecking houses, breaking sanitary ware, not paying rent, kitchen cupboards pulled off walls. Scum some of them.
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post Jun 17 2017, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 05:59 PM) *
Simply trying to point out that the law is by common consent fair. In this case Turin Machine says its on the side of the tenants.

I suppose we could take it to mean that he has to go through due process, as pertains to any other contractural litigation, before he can put his case. What's wrong with that?

That's why contracts exist. Trouble is they don't live up to them. It can take months to get bailiffs in and in the meantime, no rents coming in while they continue to cause damage. Some people I know start saying "why bother trying to make it nice" just factor the losses in and bump up rents and refurbish less often. Must say, JSC's idea could gain traction.
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post Jun 17 2017, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 06:15 PM) *
That's why contracts exist. Trouble is they don't live up to them. It can take months to get bailiffs in and in the meantime, no rents coming in while they continue to cause damage. Some people I know start saying "why bother trying to make it nice" just factor the losses in and bump up rents and refurbish less often. Must say, JSC's idea could gain traction.


Of course, but no more than any other business, people failing to pay for work done, lifting stock, failing to disclose material facts, etc.etc,etc. The housing market is no more immune from bad customers than any other commercial operation. Where proper management is in place, because a dwelling is a fixed known location, taking the sector as a whole the incidence of bad debt is lower than average.

On the other hand, particularly in areas where prices have shot forward, particularly London, we have seen a significant increase in landlords deliberately flouting even the most basic regulations on habitable premises, overcrowding, unjustified contract terminations, imposing unreasonable and in some cases illegal fees, unreasonably holding on to deposits.

Landlords seem to want their cake and eat it. Unsurprisingly, looked on unfavourably by the public at large. Ironically, this lack of confidence in the rented sector along with the failure of wages to increase is actually causing concern to the Government, a Tory Government at that.


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post Jun 17 2017, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 06:07 PM) *
Wrecking houses, breaking sanitary ware, not paying rent, kitchen cupboards pulled off walls. Scum some of them.


So they are, totally agree.

Just like the scum who fill up,with petrol and drive off, or go shoplifting; now apparently with impunity, fly tip on grass verges, and on and on and on.


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post Jun 17 2017, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 07:17 PM) *
Of course, but no more than any other business, people failing to pay for work done, lifting stock, failing to disclose material facts, etc.etc,etc. The housing market is no more immune from bad customers than any other commercial operation. Where proper management is in place, because a dwelling is a fixed known location, taking the sector as a whole the incidence of bad debt is lower than average.

On the other hand, particularly in areas where prices have shot forward, particularly London, we have seen a significant increase in landlords deliberately flouting even the most basic regulations on habitable premises, overcrowding, unjustified contract terminations, imposing unreasonable and in some cases illegal fees, unreasonably holding on to deposits.

Landlords seem to want their cake and eat it. Unsurprisingly, looked on unfavourably by the public at large. Ironically, this lack of confidence in the rented sector along with the failure of wages to increase is actually causing concern to the Government, a Tory Government at that.

What you conveniently fail to mention is the sheer number of tenants who approach us asking "if we pay cash direct can you do a better deal?". If people want to to deal with landlords who do that rather than go through agents whose duty of care is to both parties then tough luck. No contract no comeback. And these tenants think they're being clever, getting one over on the system.
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post Jun 17 2017, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 07:20 PM) *
So they are, totally agree.

Just like the scum who fill up,with petrol and drive off, or go shoplifting; now apparently with impunity, fly tip on grass verges, and on and on and on.

Agree 👍
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post Jun 17 2017, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 07:25 PM) *
What you conveniently fail to mention is the sheer number of tenants who approach us asking "if we pay cash direct can you do a better deal?". If people want to to deal with landlords who do that rather than go through agents whose duty of care is to both parties then tough luck. No contract no comeback. And these tenants think they're being clever, getting one over on the system.


But its all they can afford. They cant find a 6 grand deposit. However landlord's are unscrupulous if they house people who they know cant legally afford to pay. In the gambling industry we have to check proven sources of income before accepting on line activity. I suggest the same checks and regs be put in place. Landlords should have a duty of care to the tenants and any neighbours. It would also help identify the real number of people in the Country and just how many houses we need to build.
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post Jun 17 2017, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 07:25 PM) *
What you conveniently fail to mention is the sheer number of tenants who approach us asking "if we pay cash direct can you do a better deal?". If people want to to deal with landlords who do that rather than go through agents whose duty of care is to both parties then tough luck. No contract no comeback. And these tenants think they're being clever, getting one over on the system.


I'm sure that's the case too. Just like the home owner agreeing to pay an emergency plumber cash in hand. Or the driver having his car fixed on the same basis. Frankly, if a landlord agrees, he deserves all he gets.


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post Jun 17 2017, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 17 2017, 07:33 PM) *
But its all they can afford. They cant find a 6 grand deposit. However landlord's are unscrupulous if they house people who they know cant legally afford to pay. In the gambling industry we have to check proven sources of income before accepting on line activity. I suggest the same checks and regs be put in place. Landlords should have a duty of care to the tenants and any neighbours. It would also help identify the real number of people in the Country and just how many houses we need to build.


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