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post Nov 29 2010, 01:23 PM
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I think the issue here isn't the cost to taxpayer but the cost the the renter of the allotment.
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post Nov 29 2010, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Nov 26 2010, 08:15 PM) *
What the Council are relying on is that they have offered to accept the surrender of the tenancy, but this isn't a contractural term and doesn't affect the period of notice the tenant has to give to end the tenancy as of right. It can't be a contractural term, and nor can it affect the period of notice because that would require either the insertion of a new term or the modification of an existing term and you can't just change the terms of a contract - that's what a contract is, an immutable agreement. At best the Council's offer creates an equitable remedy if the council refused to accept the surrender and sued for the rent, but that's not something the fairness test is concerned with.

Er... right!
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post Nov 29 2010, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 29 2010, 01:23 PM) *
I think the issue here isn't the cost to taxpayer but the cost the the renter of the allotment.


The issue surely should be the cost to the taxpayer in this economic climate?

If what Simon and the Bloke on the street are saying is correct then it costs the taxpayer nothing to run the local allotments!
What could be more persuasive than that?
So long as the yearly rents are affordable for everyone, which is why allotments have all the legal protection and why they were first set up, then It can only be a win win situation to let them be self managed.

Or can you explain why this would not be correct? rolleyes.gif


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post Nov 29 2010, 05:34 PM
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Hi Bloke!

A 10 pole plot in Newbury costs the tenant £69.40, and then the tax-payer pays another £390. If a 10 pole plot from Great Yarmouth & Gorleston Allotments Association costs the tax-payer nothing, how much does it cost the tenant?


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post Nov 29 2010, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Nov 29 2010, 05:34 PM) *
Hi Bloke!

A 10 pole plot in Newbury costs the tenant £69.40, and then the tax-payer pays another £390. If a 10 pole plot from Great Yarmouth & Gorleston Allotments Association costs the tax-payer nothing, how much does it cost the tenant?




Hi Simon,

for a 10 rod plot in our borough,
cost = £20 + £6.00 for Water (not available on all sites at present) + £2.00 affiliation fees to NSALG, + £1 admin / site secretary fees.
Total outlay = £29 per yr.
For a plot on a site without water supply, Total cost = £23 per yr

we also charge a one-off payment of 25p for a share in the association, all tenants are shareholders with a right to vote at our AGM.

rgds, the bloke in the street.


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post Nov 29 2010, 06:59 PM
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Out of interest Bloke, how do you go about increasing the rent? Do you give any notice?


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post Nov 29 2010, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Nov 29 2010, 06:59 PM) *
Out of interest Bloke, how do you go about increasing the rent? Do you give any notice?




our association gives at least 12 months notice of rent increases, this is also after it has been advertised at the previous yrs AGM


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post Nov 30 2010, 07:27 PM
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Thanks very much Bloke.

I don't think allotment self-management is widely understood amoungst non-allotmenteers so I hope you'll get a few questions from members here who are curious about how effective it is for allotmenteers and how it manages to save so much money for the tax-payer.


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post Dec 2 2010, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Nov 19 2010, 11:55 AM) *
There is examples where self managed sites have saved money for the council, but then there are other sites where self managing has gone seriously wrong!!!

Sorry Richard, I didn't see this at the time. Can you explain your comment please? Do you have first-hand experience of allotment selfmanagement going seriously wrong, or is it possible you've been fed this rubbish by someone with a vested interest?


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