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[dannyboy]

Rodney King? Erm armed robbery, assault, drink driving, resisting arrest and failing to stop.

Grant wasn't charged as he died before any case could be put together, but was alledgedly involved in a brawl, and was accused of resisting arrest.

Grant ? - Allegedly involved in a Brawl. He was shot in the back whilst pinned to the ground.
King was a drunk driver. The armed robbery was 3 years prior & he been armed with a lump of metal.

[GMR]

No, in the US they have trigger happy cops who shoot first & ask questions later. They think they are some kind of latter day Wyatt Earp.

What crime did Rodney King, Oscar Grant, commit?

Between June 11 and July 5 of this year, Chicago police shot twelve people, all Black and Latino. Six were wounded and survived. Six were killed.

The victims were young and old, a mother, fathers, and children. They were students aspiring to go to college, and workers. They were people with friends, families, and dreams. They included Shapell Terrell, a 39-year-old sanitation truck driver raising seven children; police fired 14 bullets into his back, killing him on the spot. That very same evening, Chicago police killed 49-year-old Darius Nicholson; his wife told TV news, "They came on a domestic [disturbance call], we ended up with a death." Robin Johnson suffered from mental health problems and epilepsy; she was shot. The list goes on.

The very randomness of the police shooting spree in Chicago reveals much about what this is all about. A young high school student…a sanitation worker…a mother with a history of mental illness. The message is that anyone could be next—especially any African-American or Latino young man. The rash of police shootings in Chicago this summer is part of a reign of terror that means that millions of people in this country wake up every morning knowing that they could be shot for any reason. Or no reason at all. The police stories are suspiciously similar—"a gun was found." Police acted as judge, jury, and executioner.

What has been the response? A public outcry? Indignant editorials in the city's media? Calls for investigations? No, no, and no. There has been near silence in response to this wave of police shootings.



2008.

I am not defending the police, but King was a criminal. He wasn't a choir boy.

[dannyboy]

I am not defending the police, but King was a criminal. He wasn't a choir boy.

So he deserved to be beaten up did he?

The Police are supposed to uphold the law, not break it.

[GMR]

So he deserved to be beaten up did he?

The Police are supposed to uphold the law, not break it.

I never said that.

[Strafin]

You implied that both were completely innocent, when they were not. The police were not right, but as I said your rant conveniently left out some key factors.

[Strafin]

On the night of March 2, 1991, King and two passengers, Bryant Allen and Freddie Helms, were driving west on Foothill Freeway (Interstate 210) in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles. Prior to driving on the Foothill Freeway, the three men had spent the night watching a basketball game and drinking at a friend’s house in Los Angeles.[2] After being tested 5 hours after the incident, King's blood-alcohol level was found to be just under the legal limit. This meant that his blood alcohol level was approximately 0.19—nearly two and a half times the legal limit in California—when he was driving.[3] At 12:30 AM, Officers Tim and Melanie Singer, a husband-and-wife team of the California Highway Patrol, spotted King’s car speeding. The Singers pursued King, and the subsequent freeway chase reached speeds in excess of 100 mph.[4] According to King’s own statements, he refused to pull the car over because a DUI would violate his parole for a previous robbery conviction

From Wikipedia, so not gospel but it certainly shows that there was more to it than a standard DUI stop.

[dannyboy]

On the night of March 2, 1991, King and two passengers, Bryant Allen and Freddie Helms, were driving west on Foothill Freeway (Interstate 210) in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles. Prior to driving on the Foothill Freeway, the three men had spent the night watching a basketball game and drinking at a friend’s house in Los Angeles.[2] After being tested 5 hours after the incident, King's blood-alcohol level was found to be just under the legal limit. This meant that his blood alcohol level was approximately 0.19—nearly two and a half times the legal limit in California—when he was driving.[3] At 12:30 AM, Officers Tim and Melanie Singer, a husband-and-wife team of the California Highway Patrol, spotted King’s car speeding. The Singers pursued King, and the subsequent freeway chase reached speeds in excess of 100 mph.[4] According to King’s own statements, he refused to pull the car over because a DUI would violate his parole for a previous robbery conviction

From Wikipedia, so not gospel but it certainly shows that there was more to it than a standard DUI stop.

And the Police should have arrested him & charged him. Not given him a **** good beating.

[GMR]

And the Police should have arrested him & charged him. Not given him a **** good beating.

Lucky it wasn't in this county otherwise he'd be worshipped as a god by our police force.

[dannyboy]

Lucky it wasn't in this county otherwise he'd be worshipped as a god by our police force.

GMR, you are to polar. He'd have been arrested in the UK and you know it.


btw, what about Kathryn Johnston? The circumstances here are almost comic. Comic apart from the death in a hail of police bullets of a 92 year old woman. The Police were so gung-ho in their use of firearms that several of their own officers were hit by 'friendly fire'.

Cops smashed her door down in a 'drug raid' & she, not living in the best of areas, fired a single shot from an aged pistol thinking she was being burgled. The poilce responded with 39 shots, 6 hitting the woman. She was then handcuffed & died shortly after. To cap it all the cops then tried to plant drugs in her house to imply she was a drug dealer.

Do you really want this kind of thing in the UK? The balance we have here is just fine. Sure some petty criminals will be let off. far better than trigger happy plod.

[Iommi]

GMR, you are to polar.

Hmm, I'd say the same about you on this; picking extreme examples to support your view...

Do you really want this kind of thing in the UK? The balance we have here is just fine. Sure some petty criminals will be let off. far better than trigger happy plod.

...but I do agree with your sentiment.

[On the edge]

Going back to the subject - perhaps some Police action like this in Chaddleworth would really give them something to worry about....

[dannyboy]

Hmm, I'd say the same about you on this; picking extreme examples to support your view...


...but I do agree with your sentiment.

The worrying thing is, from my reading I don't think this kind of event is that extreme in the USA......

We certainly don't want rookie cops with attitude on our streets.

[Strafin]

The worrying thing is, from my reading I don't think this kind of event is that extreme in the USA......

We certainly don't want rookie cops with attitude on our streets.

We've already got plenty of those, they don't have guns here though.

Have to point out though that your examples don't carry any weight without some sort of citation of source.

[dannyboy]

We've already got plenty of those, they don't have guns here though.

Have to point out though that your examples don't carry any weight without some sort of citation of source.

you think I made them up?

[Strafin]

Possibly. Or someone else could have.

[GMR]

GMR, you are to polar. He'd have been arrested in the UK and you know it.


btw, what about Kathryn Johnston? The circumstances here are almost comic. Comic apart from the death in a hail of police bullets of a 92 year old woman. The Police were so gung-ho in their use of firearms that several of their own officers were hit by 'friendly fire'.

Cops smashed her door down in a 'drug raid' & she, not living in the best of areas, fired a single shot from an aged pistol thinking she was being burgled. The poilce responded with 39 shots, 6 hitting the woman. She was then handcuffed & died shortly after. To cap it all the cops then tried to plant drugs in her house to imply she was a drug dealer.

Do you really want this kind of thing in the UK? The balance we have here is just fine. Sure some petty criminals will be let off. far better than trigger happy plod.

Did you notice the wink smilie? I was being humorous.