Tim Farron Options

[Turin Machine]

Well, he's gone. Hounded out of office by a baying media who are or at least seem to be, anti-Christian. A politician who has done more than almost any other to promote the rights of the lgtg lobby but made the mistake of being a Christian. I've said it before, if a candidate came forward from the Muslim community I wonder if the same fate would befall him?
Didn't agree with his take on Brexit or to be honest many of his proposals but I'd go for a pint with him anyway!

[je suis Charlie]

A bit like today, may visits a disaster scene I private, no camera no media, JC arrived with retinue, full on media scrum, full exposure. "Ooh, a disaster, time to win some political advantage, Diane! Round up the posse!"

[Andy Capp]

A bit like today, may visits a disaster scene I private, no camera no media, JC arrived with retinue, full on media scrum, full exposure. "Ooh, a disaster, time to win some political advantage, Diane! Round up the posse!"

I guess May is feeling a bit vulnerable, seeing as it is her party that is starving public services.

[je suis Charlie]

I guess May is feeling a bit vulnerable, seeing as it is her party that is starving public services.

Except, by their own admission that borough is rolling in it. Does not compute Will Robinson!

[Andy Capp]

Except, by their own admission that borough is rolling in it. Does not compute Will Robinson!

Rolling in it doesn't mean it is spent wisely; however, whether or not it is because of social neglect, the fact remains she will be feeling contrite right now. I see she was too scared to meet residents today.

So it does compute.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Rolling in it doesn't mean it is spent wisely; however, whether or not it is because of social neglect, the fact remains she will be feeling contrite right now. I see she was too scared to meet residents today.

So it does compute.

Just give everyone a 5 bedroom house, wherever they want ro live. Simples. Surprised JC hasn't promised it... Yet..

[Andy Capp]

Just give everyone a 5 bedroom house, wherever they want ro live. Simples. Surprised JC hasn't promised it... Yet..

Perhaps we could see money spent on things that can protect people from dangerous environments first.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Perhaps we could see money spent on things that can protect people from dangerous environments first.

Would you support the demolition of all these 70s tower blocks?
I agree that they are dangerous eyesores. Where would you put the thousands of people though? They would have to be relocated from places like Kensington and they would resist. Not that I blame them for that. It is home to them. I don't have an answer and I doubt even JC does unlesss he landgrabs from the rich.

[Andy Capp]

Would you support the demolition of all these 70s tower blocks?
I agree that they are dangerous eyesores. Where would you put the thousands of people though? They would have to be relocated from places like Kensington and they would resist. Not that I blame them for that. It is home to them. I don't have an answer and I doubt even JC does unlesss he landgrabs from the rich.

Dangerous yes, but eyesore is a trivial concern. It is too early to say, but it looks like people needn't have died for the sake of poor building control and regulations. If the reports are true, it seems fire alarms didn't work and an inferior building material was used; however, we will need to wait for the report.

In a country like this I find it incredible something like this can happen. It's third world stuff.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Dangerous yes, but eyesore is a trivial concern. It is too early to say, but it looks like people needn't have died for the sake of poor building control and regulations.

100+ people by all accounts. Why not be truthful? If people lived there and have not been seen since then they are gone. Landlords should NOT be voting on any laws in parliament to do with building or fire regulations in Parliament. Conflict of interest. Would not be allowed in the Corporate world. Change is needed. But blame of individuals is dangerous. People are looking for individuals to take anger out on. It's the system that is broken. Fix that first and then look to see if any blame should be assigned.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

100+ people by all accounts. Why not be truthful? If people lived there and have not been seen since then they are gone. Landlords should NOT be voting on any laws in parliament to do with building or fire regulations in Parliament. Conflict of interest. Would not be allowed in the Corporate world. Change is needed. But blame of individuals is dangerous. People are looking for individuals to take anger out on. It's the system that is broken. Fix that first and then look to see if any blame should be assigned.

The authrorities need to update the figures. I have seen figures banded about of 350.

[On the edge]

The authrorities need to update the figures. I have seen figures banded about of 350.

They simply don't know yet. It would be almost impossible to guess until a search of the whole place was done. The intense heat meant some bodies would have been incinerated. Equally, given the number of flats, it's going to be hard to account for casual visitors. Frankly, 'the authorities' have more pressing things to do than confirm numbers with pinpoint accuracy - simply expect many more.

[Turin Machine]

They simply don't know yet. It would be almost impossible to guess until a search of the whole place was done. The intense heat meant some bodies would have been incinerated. Equally, given the number of flats, it's going to be hard to account for casual visitors. Frankly, 'the authorities' have more pressing things to do than confirm numbers with pinpoint accuracy - simply expect many more.

They won't be incinerated, probably find d them as lump of carbonised flesh, usually find them in corners, quite often of bedrooms, and under the beds. Usually in the classic 'pugilist' pose. Might be able to find enough DNA if they're lucky.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

They won't be incinerated, probably find d them as lump of carbonised flesh, usually find them in corners, quite often of bedrooms, and under the beds. Usually in the classic 'pugilist' pose. Might be able to find enough DNA if they're lucky.

Also. Supposed to be 2 per flat. Talking about 600 in 120 flats. Most subletted. No criticism of that. But shows massively how much under estimated the UK population is. Unfortunately many many of the dead will be unindentified as they were not here legally.

[On the edge]

Also. Supposed to be 2 per flat. Talking about 600 in 120 flats. Most subletted. No criticism of that. But shows massively how much under estimated the UK population is. Unfortunately many many of the dead will be unindentified as they were not here legally.

That's almost bizzare; two per flat; where did that come from? As far as subletting is concerned, to me, its rather like ticket touting, the unacceptable face of capitalisim. Getting a 'return' for doing nothing, absolutley nothing. And people moan about benefit theft!

[Turin Machine]

That's almost bizzare; two per flat; where did that come from? As far as subletting is concerned, to me, its rather like ticket touting, the unacceptable face of capitalisim. Getting a 'return' for doing nothing, absolutley nothing. And people moan about benefit theft!

I was referring to this statement,. Where once more Tories seem to be getting blamed when it would have been the very people in the flats engaging in the "unacceptable face of capitalism". But I agree, the politicising of the tragedy is both tasteless and counter productive. Didn't stop Corbyn from bringing in busloads of activists all wearing the same t-shirts for him to lead through London. Half of these poor people have list everything, can hardly speak English and they get press ganged into the middle of Momentums finest. Doubt if even half of them even know who May even is!

[On the edge]

I was referring to this statement,. Where once more Tories seem to be getting blamed when it would have been the very people in the flats engaging in the "unacceptable face of capitalism". But I agree, the politicising of the tragedy is both tasteless and counter productive. Didn't stop Corbyn from bringing in busloads of activists all wearing the same t-shirts for him to lead through London. Half of these poor people have list everything, can hardly speak English and they get press ganged into the middle of Momentums finest. Doubt if even half of them even know who May even is!

Oh dear, the truth is starting to hurt isn't it.

Even before an investigation it's becoming very clear what some of the major issues are here; that is slack regulation and enforcement. As National Rail found out to our cost when it tried, you can't gamble with safety.

So in reality, what and how this happened is staring us in the face. Given the austerity cuts and what we know about the management process, the why it happened is also becoming rather more clear.

Sure, we need a detailed investigation, but we also need to learn some big lessons, like immediately. Make no mistake, this whole issue is actually what politics is all about.


Note - most subletting occurs with absentee landlords. People who take a long lease on a property then lease it on short term to others. Very very common in areas of high labour turnover and students.

[je suis Charlie]

Oh dear, the truth is starting to hurt isn't it.

Note - most subletting occurs with absentee landlords. People who take a long lease on a property then lease it on short term to others. Very very common in areas of high labour turnover and students.

Ha, Mr know all, the truth is ;
"Subletting happens when an existing tenant lets all or part of their home to someone else who is known as a subtenant. Many tenants need permission before they can sublet."
With thanks to the citizens advice.
Tenants, breaking contracts, nothing to do with landlords you Marxist puppet.