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post Jun 14 2017, 09:53 PM
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Well, he's gone. Hounded out of office by a baying media who are or at least seem to be, anti-Christian. A politician who has done more than almost any other to promote the rights of the lgtg lobby but made the mistake of being a Christian. I've said it before, if a candidate came forward from the Muslim community I wonder if the same fate would befall him?
Didn't agree with his take on Brexit or to be honest many of his proposals but I'd go for a pint with him anyway!


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post Jun 15 2017, 01:07 PM
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A bit like today, may visits a disaster scene I private, no camera no media, JC arrived with retinue, full on media scrum, full exposure. "Ooh, a disaster, time to win some political advantage, Diane! Round up the posse!"
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post Jun 15 2017, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2017, 02:07 PM) *
A bit like today, may visits a disaster scene I private, no camera no media, JC arrived with retinue, full on media scrum, full exposure. "Ooh, a disaster, time to win some political advantage, Diane! Round up the posse!"

I guess May is feeling a bit vulnerable, seeing as it is her party that is starving public services.
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post Jun 15 2017, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 06:08 PM) *
I guess May is feeling a bit vulnerable, seeing as it is her party that is starving public services.

Except, by their own admission that borough is rolling in it. Does not compute Will Robinson!
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post Jun 15 2017, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2017, 07:04 PM) *
Except, by their own admission that borough is rolling in it. Does not compute Will Robinson!

Rolling in it doesn't mean it is spent wisely; however, whether or not it is because of social neglect, the fact remains she will be feeling contrite right now. I see she was too scared to meet residents today.

So it does compute.
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post Jun 15 2017, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 07:45 PM) *
Rolling in it doesn't mean it is spent wisely; however, whether or not it is because of social neglect, the fact remains she will be feeling contrite right now. I see she was too scared to meet residents today.

So it does compute.


Just give everyone a 5 bedroom house, wherever they want ro live. Simples. Surprised JC hasn't promised it... Yet..
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post Jun 15 2017, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 07:48 PM) *
Just give everyone a 5 bedroom house, wherever they want ro live. Simples. Surprised JC hasn't promised it... Yet..

Perhaps we could see money spent on things that can protect people from dangerous environments first.
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post Jun 15 2017, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 08:40 PM) *
Perhaps we could see money spent on things that can protect people from dangerous environments first.


Would you support the demolition of all these 70s tower blocks?
I agree that they are dangerous eyesores. Where would you put the thousands of people though? They would have to be relocated from places like Kensington and they would resist. Not that I blame them for that. It is home to them. I don't have an answer and I doubt even JC does unlesss he landgrabs from the rich.
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post Jun 15 2017, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Would you support the demolition of all these 70s tower blocks?
I agree that they are dangerous eyesores. Where would you put the thousands of people though? They would have to be relocated from places like Kensington and they would resist. Not that I blame them for that. It is home to them. I don't have an answer and I doubt even JC does unlesss he landgrabs from the rich.

Dangerous yes, but eyesore is a trivial concern. It is too early to say, but it looks like people needn't have died for the sake of poor building control and regulations. If the reports are true, it seems fire alarms didn't work and an inferior building material was used; however, we will need to wait for the report.

In a country like this I find it incredible something like this can happen. It's third world stuff.
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post Jun 15 2017, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 10:49 PM) *
Dangerous yes, but eyesore is a trivial concern. It is too early to say, but it looks like people needn't have died for the sake of poor building control and regulations.


100+ people by all accounts. Why not be truthful? If people lived there and have not been seen since then they are gone. Landlords should NOT be voting on any laws in parliament to do with building or fire regulations in Parliament. Conflict of interest. Would not be allowed in the Corporate world. Change is needed. But blame of individuals is dangerous. People are looking for individuals to take anger out on. It's the system that is broken. Fix that first and then look to see if any blame should be assigned.
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post Jun 15 2017, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 11:05 PM) *
100+ people by all accounts. Why not be truthful? If people lived there and have not been seen since then they are gone. Landlords should NOT be voting on any laws in parliament to do with building or fire regulations in Parliament. Conflict of interest. Would not be allowed in the Corporate world. Change is needed. But blame of individuals is dangerous. People are looking for individuals to take anger out on. It's the system that is broken. Fix that first and then look to see if any blame should be assigned.

Agreed. It is too early to say too much, but a 20 story roman candle in the middle of London in the 21stC is incredible. It just shows how quick we have fallen.

Despite what it might look like, I don't blame Blair, Brown, Cameron/Clegg or May; I blame you and me.


We are seriously turning into a shoite country and Tory vanity is accelerating things.
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post Jun 15 2017, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 16 2017, 12:40 AM) *
Agreed. It is too early to say too much, but a 20 story roman candle in the middle of London in the 21stC is incredible. It just shows how quick we have fallen.

Despite what is might look like, I don't blame Blair, Brown, Cameron/Clegg or May; I blame you and me.


We are seriously turning into a shoite country and Tory vanity is accelerating things.

And Brexit!
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post Jun 16 2017, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 12:56 AM) *
And Brexit!

Fark the EU, this happened on their watch too, but I don't see anything getting better while we have a parliament like the one we have at the moment.
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