IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

5 Pages V  < 1 2 3 4 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Will this sort out our traffic?
betsy
post Jan 8 2011, 12:56 PM
Post #21


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 32
Joined: 18-December 09
Member No.: 568



QUOTE (Bofem @ Jan 7 2011, 08:38 PM) *
I was thinking this the other day while stuck in traffic on A4 between Newbury and Thatcham. Mostly, it's two lanes all the way, so WBC want to turn that into a bus lane. There are 7 buses an hour between the two towns.

Persuading people to dump the car, walk to a bus stop, wait in the rain, sit next to some ropey strangers, then walk to work/shops/whatever at other end needs a lot of persuasion....I can afford not to do it. But for how long?

Car-sharing would be much more achievable. Incentivised rather than penalised, people always respond better. So instead of a bus lane, it could be a multiple occupancy lane, like they have in Holland.


Love to know where you get 7 buses an hour between Newbury and Thatcham? Most I can find is 4 and of these only 1 goes around the area I live in.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
GMR
post Jan 8 2011, 01:54 PM
Post #22


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 6,085
Joined: 13-May 09
From: Newbury, Berkshire.
Member No.: 33



QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 8 2011, 12:45 PM) *
Great! Get rid of the buses and now we have bloody feral kids to contend with! tongue.gif


How about we keep the buses and get rid of the 'feral kids'?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
user23
post Jan 8 2011, 03:16 PM
Post #23


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 4,024
Joined: 14-May 09
Member No.: 50



QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2011, 09:41 AM) *
I know I've said it before but this really grates on me.................
We were told ten or more years ago that the by-pass would "sort out our traffic". laugh.gif
It did, then everyone decided to use their car more.

The more roads you build the more people will use their cars. That's just how it works.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Iommi
post Jan 8 2011, 03:24 PM
Post #24


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 4,138
Joined: 13-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 20



QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 8 2011, 03:16 PM) *
It did, then everyone decided to use their car more. The more roads you build the more people will use their cars. That's just how it works.

Yet more people than ever before use trains! Prices are going up there as well.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Chesapeake
post Jan 8 2011, 04:01 PM
Post #25


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 274
Joined: 19-July 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 205



QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 8 2011, 12:45 PM) *
Great! Get rid of the buses and now we have bloody feral kids to contend with! tongue.gif



Are you suggesting that my children are "feral"???? laugh.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
On the edge
post Jan 8 2011, 07:16 PM
Post #26


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 7,847
Joined: 23-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 98



Its not more car use its more cars. Always amazes me that no one, least of all those responsible for the infrastructure have actually noticed that Newbury and its environs have experienced massive growth since the by pass was opened. This should have been anticipated, planned for and delivered - after all its no massive surprise - we spend thousands creating 'local developmentr plans'. However,for the past 20 years our local Council has been stuck in a time warp - assuming Newbury is just a quaint old market town. All those new houses mean all those new cars...


--------------------
Know your place!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
user23
post Jan 8 2011, 07:19 PM
Post #27


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 4,024
Joined: 14-May 09
Member No.: 50



QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 8 2011, 07:16 PM) *
Its not more car use its more cars. Always amazes me that no one, least of all those responsible for the infrastructure have actually noticed that Newbury and its environs have experienced massive growth since the by pass was opened. This should have been anticipated, planned for and delivered - after all its no massive surprise - we spend thousands creating 'local developmentr plans'. However,for the past 20 years our local Council has been stuck in a time warp - assuming Newbury is just a quaint old market town. All those new houses mean all those new cars...
On the one hand the Labour government ordered more houses to to be built, on the other some vocal locals moaned that Newbury is a small market town. The result it what we have now.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Turin Machine
post Jan 8 2011, 07:39 PM
Post #28


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 2,622
Joined: 23-September 10
From: In the lower 40
Member No.: 1,104



yeah sure, I thought the idea of a towncentre was that people could go there to buy things, not much use if you have to carry everything home is it.. Its alright for those people who are young fit and only interested in going to mackie D's but what about the elderly, infirm and disadvantaged, what are they supposed to do ? or don't they matter anymore ?

Sure lets have a nice pretty town centre full of feral kids and beggers but no shops ! What is this great desire for pedestrianisation for gods sake. O, and if you can't see or hear a dirty great red bus trundling down the road I suggest you stop listening to your ipod and start paying attention. Selfish buggers !


--------------------
Gammon. And proud!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
On the edge
post Jan 8 2011, 08:00 PM
Post #29


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 7,847
Joined: 23-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 98



QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 8 2011, 07:19 PM) *
On the one hand the Labour government ordered more houses to to be built, on the other some vocal locals moan that Newbury is a small market town. The result it what we have now.

That's a pretty good summary. We had no choice about the development - Councillors pandering to the local Ned Ludd tendancy hasn't helped!


--------------------
Know your place!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Biker1
post Jan 8 2011, 08:26 PM
Post #30


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 5,024
Joined: 26-May 09
Member No.: 103



QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 8 2011, 04:16 PM) *
It did, then everyone decided to use their car more.

The more roads you build the more people will use their cars. That's just how it works.

Exactly!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
On the edge
post Jan 8 2011, 09:36 PM
Post #31


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 7,847
Joined: 23-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 98



QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2011, 08:26 PM) *
Exactly!

Errr no. Its more people, if we hadn't had to build all those new houses, traffic levels would have reduced when the bypass opened and stayed reduced. The A34 itself had a traffic increase, occassioned by releasing the pent up demand for Southampton docks access to the North. The only time a road generated traffic was the M1 - when it opened, it became a tourist attraction for a short time. Do you honestly know anyone locally who has increased the number of car trips they make simply because the by pass has opened? I do know several people who have recently moved here bringing their cars with them. I also know a couple who now use a car because the local bus service has reduced its already poor service. The self generation of traffic story is an urban myth,


--------------------
Know your place!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Biker1
post Jan 8 2011, 11:30 PM
Post #32


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 5,024
Joined: 26-May 09
Member No.: 103



QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 8 2011, 10:36 PM) *
Errr no. Its more people, if we hadn't had to build all those new houses, traffic levels would have reduced when the bypass opened and stayed reduced. The A34 itself had a traffic increase, occassioned by releasing the pent up demand for Southampton docks access to the North. The only time a road generated traffic was the M1 - when it opened, it became a tourist attraction for a short time. Do you honestly know anyone locally who has increased the number of car trips they make simply because the by pass has opened? I do know several people who have recently moved here bringing their cars with them. I also know a couple who now use a car because the local bus service has reduced its already poor service. The self generation of traffic story is an urban myth,

Nope, if you create the space then it will be filled.

Like the M25 - now a traffic jam most of the day but where was all the traffic before it was built?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
On the edge
post Jan 9 2011, 08:23 AM
Post #33


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 7,847
Joined: 23-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 98



QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2011, 11:30 PM) *
Nope, if you create the space then it will be filled.

Like the M25 - now a traffic jam most of the day but where was all the traffic before it was built?

Stationary round the then North and South 'circulars' and in railway waggons. The traffic was always there. Just that the planners 'understated' the volume for political reasons. The engineers knew it was too small even before the first sod was cut. One can understand the reasons for this - can you imagine what the nay sayers would have done if they'd planned for reality - an 8 lane motorway?

By way of example - if we had a proper transport link with Basingstoke, the traffic on the existing cart track would increase significantly as people took up the opportunities the proper link would provide. Like jobs but hey who wants them!


--------------------
Know your place!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dannyboy
post Jan 9 2011, 12:29 PM
Post #34


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 6,056
Joined: 14-May 09
From: Bouvetøya
Member No.: 51



QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 8 2011, 09:36 PM) *
The A34 itself had a traffic increase, occassioned by releasing the pent up demand for Southampton docks access to the North. The self generation of traffic story is an urban myth,

bollocks
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
NWNREADER
post Jan 9 2011, 01:27 PM
Post #35


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 3,414
Joined: 20-November 10
Member No.: 1,265



Not necessarily complete rubbish:
Cruise ships

and

Container Terminal

Doubtless these two facilities have some impact on the A34 traffic patterns.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Richard Garvie
post Jan 9 2011, 01:29 PM
Post #36


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 2,974
Joined: 8-September 10
Member No.: 1,076



I agree, the new A34 will have seen increased useage due to the fact it is a superb link between the midlands / north and the south coast.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
On the edge
post Jan 9 2011, 01:36 PM
Post #37


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 7,847
Joined: 23-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 98



[quote name='dannyboy' date='Jan 9 2011, 12:29 PM' post='3
bollocks
[/quote]
What an intelligent well considered response - get out much these days?


--------------------
Know your place!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Cognosco
post Jan 9 2011, 01:53 PM
Post #38


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 2,452
Joined: 31-October 10
Member No.: 1,212



QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 9 2011, 12:29 PM) *
bollocks


Not a politician then Danny? Man of few words - but at least straight to the point - no ambiguity with that then! tongue.gif


--------------------
Vexatious Candidate?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
GMR
post Jan 9 2011, 01:55 PM
Post #39


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 6,085
Joined: 13-May 09
From: Newbury, Berkshire.
Member No.: 33



QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 9 2011, 12:29 PM) *
bollocks


Is this a medical problem of yours then? Or are you actually complaining or boasting?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dannyboy
post Jan 9 2011, 02:29 PM
Post #40


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 6,056
Joined: 14-May 09
From: Bouvetøya
Member No.: 51



The A34 always was the N-S link between Southampton & Portsmouth and the north of the UK. The Newbury by pass is simply a missing link. The road was & is part of a pan-european road network, the A34 being part of the link from Scotland to Portugal. The building of the Newbury By Pass simply shaved 30 mins off a truckers journey to the docks. Oh, and was hijacked for political ends.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

5 Pages V  < 1 2 3 4 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 22nd November 2019 - 01:50 AM