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Simon Kirby
post May 8 2013, 07:03 PM
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It looks like the candidates have given the electorate a full spread of election literature so all that remains is for Newbury to vote - and please use your vote, your democracy depends on it.

I haven't seen the Labour literature, but it's curious that both the Tories and Lib Dems have campaigned largely on West Berkshire Council issues. Either the candidates are confused about which council they're hoping to get elected onto, or else they think the electorate are dumb and will vote for any old blather.

Anyroad, best of luck Newbury, I hope your choice proves a wise one.


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post May 8 2013, 07:12 PM
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Oh, I thought the election would have happened at the same time as all the other local elections last Thursday.
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post May 8 2013, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ May 8 2013, 08:12 PM) *
Oh, I thought the election would have happened at the same time as all the other local elections last Thursday.

Yes, I have no idea why that couldn't have happened, it would have been the most sensible thing I'd have thought.


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Andy Capp
post May 8 2013, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 8 2013, 08:03 PM) *
It looks like the candidates have given the electorate a full spread of election literature so all that remains is for Newbury to vote - and please use your vote, your democracy depends on it.

I haven't seen the Labour literature, but it's curious that both the Tories and Lib Dems have campaigned largely on West Berkshire Council issues. Either the candidates are confused about which council they're hoping to get elected onto, or else they think the electorate are dumb and will vote for any old blather.

I'm sure most people have decided who they are going to vote for.

Is the literature on line?
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post May 8 2013, 09:04 PM
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The Apoliticals claim that they will reveal the 'dirty dossier' on the cracked park which would be embarrassing if they find they can't!
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post May 8 2013, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2013, 10:04 PM) *
The Apoliticals claim that they will reveal the 'dirty dossier' on the cracked park which would be embarrassing if they find they can't!

Dave Yates has said that he will publish the hydrogeological report. It will be embarrassing for some at the council if it turns out he can!


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post May 8 2013, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2013, 09:58 PM) *
I'm sure most people have decided who they are going to vote for.

Is the literature on line?

It may be but I haven't looked, I just saw what they put through doors.


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post May 8 2013, 09:26 PM
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If I search using Google with: newbury town council election 2013
I get the Apoliticals first, so well done to them for getting that side of things sorted.

http://charliefarrow.blogspot.co.uk/2013/0...election_3.html


Quite interesting policies too!


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post May 9 2013, 07:01 AM
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Having someone who actually knows about marketing would be quite a novelty! Are we actually up to having a thriving market again? Imagine all the complaints; all those people flooding in, spending money in car parks, going to Park way? Is that really what we want!


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post May 9 2013, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 9 2013, 08:01 AM) *
Having someone who actually knows about marketing would be quite a novelty! Are we actually up to having a thriving market again? Imagine all the complaints; all those people flooding in, spending money in car parks, going to Park way? Is that really what we want!

That's the paradox.
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post May 9 2013, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 9 2013, 10:15 AM) *
That's the paradox.

I may be wrong, but I think OtE was being sarcastic - I certainly think a thriving market would be an excellent thing for the town, and I think Charlie has some good ideas about how to achieve that.


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post May 9 2013, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 9 2013, 10:20 AM) *
I may be wrong, but I think OtE was being sarcastic - I certainly think a thriving market would be an excellent thing for the town, and I think Charlie has some good ideas about how to achieve that.

Of course he was being sarcastic, but just as people see the benefits of a popular town, it can come at a cost to others with a less 'commercial way of life'.

I think the Apoliticals deserve a go for just being more accessible on line and having a clear message and policies. Having said that, Newbury's sheep will just vote the same way.
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post May 9 2013, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 9 2013, 10:23 AM) *
Of course he was being sarcastic, but just as people see the benefits of a popular town, it can come at a cost to others with a less 'commercial way of life'.

I think the Apoliticals deserve a go for just being more accessible on line and having a clear message and policies. Having said that, Newbury's sheep will just vote the same way.

At least the people of Newbury have a genuine opportunity to vote for an alternative, and I'm confident that in two years time we'll have independent options in the majority of wards for both councils.


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post May 9 2013, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2013, 10:26 PM) *
If I search using Google with: newbury town council election 2013
I get the Apoliticals first, so well done to them for getting that side of things sorted.

http://charliefarrow.blogspot.co.uk/2013/0...election_3.html


Quite interesting policies too!


Thanks. I just hope enough people turn out and vote for us!
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post May 9 2013, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2013, 10:04 PM) *
The Apoliticals claim that they will reveal the 'dirty dossier' on the cracked park which would be embarrassing if they find they can't!

'If they find' of course they can't. 20 votes against 2 (should they both be elected) will ensure they can't.

Unless they can get a dozen Apoliticals on to the council they will be unable to push through any of their policies.

They also seem a bit confused about which council they are going for - or the power that NTC has to do anything about parking charges or the development of Newbury.
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post May 9 2013, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ May 9 2013, 04:22 PM) *
'If they find' of course they can't. 20 votes against
Unless they can get a dozen Apoliticals on to the council they will be unable to push through any of their policies.

They also seem a bit confused about which council they are going for - or the power that NTC has to do anything about parking charges or the development of Newbury.

There won't be any "pushing through" of policies. There is no Apolitical policy, we're all free thinkers. Even if all the town councillors were Apolitical there would be no "pushing through" of anything, proposals would be decided on their merits as each individual council saw it - just like it should be at a parish council.

And there's no confusion: We understand that the only town car park that the town council controls is the one where the officers park for free at West Mills, but a democratic mandate gives every town councillor standing enough to comment on issues of general interest to the people of Newbury, and parking is one of those issues, and if the cost of parking is harming the vitality of the town centre then it would be entirely appropriate for the town council to resolve to loby WBC over the issue.


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post May 9 2013, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ May 9 2013, 04:22 PM) *
'If they find' of course they can't. 20 votes against 2 (should they both be elected) will ensure they can't.

Either you don't know what you're talking about, or you know full well what you're talking about!

The decision on whether to release the hydrogeological report can never be one for the council to take on a vote. The council's (latest) position is that they are prevented by a confidentiality agreement from releasing the report. Because of that agreement the council can not lawfuly make that decision to release the report and the town clerk can not allow the proposal even to go to a vote.

On the other hand if the council are lying about the confidentiality agreement and are hiding the report to cover their mismanagement and the unjustifiable amount of money they spent perusing a claim which the report didn't unequivocally blame on the dewatering, then they cannot lawfully withold the report because of their overriding duty under the Environmental Information Regulations to publish, and no resolution of the council can trump that.

So which is it blackdog, confused or sussed?


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post May 9 2013, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 9 2013, 05:06 PM) *
There won't be any "pushing through" of policies. There is no Apolitical policy, we're all free thinkers. Even if all the town councillors were Apolitical there would be no "pushing through" of anything, proposals would be decided on their merits as each individual council saw it - just like it should be at a parish council.

And there's no confusion: We understand that the only town car park that the town council controls is the one where the officers park for free at West Mills, but a democratic mandate gives every town councillor standing enough to comment on issues of general interest to the people of Newbury, and parking is one of those issues, and if the cost of parking is harming the vitality of the town centre then it would be entirely appropriate for the town council to resolve to loby WBC over the issue.


Can I endorse what Simon is saying, but also make the point that the market traders themselves identify the parking charges as having a negative impact on trade. So as the Market is a Town Council matter, it is entirely appropriate to consider anything that is directly affecting it.
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post May 9 2013, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 9 2013, 05:06 PM) *
There won't be any "pushing through" of policies. There is no Apolitical policy, we're all free thinkers. Even if all the town councillors were Apolitical there would be no "pushing through" of anything, proposals would be decided on their merits as each individual council saw it - just like it should be at a parish council.

How does anyone know what they're voting for if the party members are encouraged to make up policy as they go?
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post May 9 2013, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ May 9 2013, 07:51 PM) *
How does anyone know what they're voting for if the party members are encouraged to make up policy as they go?


That would be why we make a big point of telling people who we are and publicising this guidance:

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