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post Jul 9 2017, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jul 9 2017, 12:18 PM) *
It doesn't seem correct to me. It's an internship. Is that why it's possible?


You are not going to say it is just plain wrong then? Surely you cant defend the indefensible...
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post Jul 9 2017, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 9 2017, 09:37 PM) *
You are not going to say it is just plain wrong then? Surely you cant defend the indefensible...


And just what have you ever done to try and stop this sort of thing? It's clearly institutionalised and if it were so wrong, then surely our legal system would provide a remedy. You clearly have a strong principled opinion here, so what's the next action?




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post Jul 9 2017, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 9 2017, 10:07 PM) *
And just what have you ever done to try and stop this sort of thing? It's clearly institutionalised and if it were so wrong, then surely our legal system would provide a remedy. You clearly have a strong principled opinion here, so what's the next action?


Yawn..... This is a forum. Its for chewing the fat. Get a life.
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post Jul 10 2017, 05:37 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 10 2017, 12:41 AM) *
Yawn..... This is a forum. Its for chewing the fat. Get a life.


Really?

Nice attitude old son, glad I don't work for you!


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post Jul 10 2017, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 10 2017, 06:37 AM) *
Really?

Nice attitude old son, glad I don't work for you!


You couldn't. You'd fail the interview. BADLY. 😂
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post Jul 10 2017, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 10 2017, 07:32 AM) *
You couldn't. You'd fail the interview. BADLY. 😂

Again, so glad; such interviews are generally designed to select mirror images of those doing the recruiting. So self perpetuating, meaning you'll only learn that when it's too late. Ironic really; attitude was one of the key reasons we started deploying IT from India.


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post Jul 10 2017, 12:18 PM
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I'm outraged. When members of the Travelling Community offer people unpaid employment it's called slavery. But when ethnic minorities are offered the same opportunities it's called an internship. Bigots!
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post Jul 10 2017, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 8 2017, 09:18 PM) *
As this job is based in London and white British people make up less than 50% of the capital now surely they are now an ethnic minority?

https://creativeaccess.org.uk/opportunity/t...duction-intern/

Also if I advertised for a job and said "whites only" what would the social and media reaction be? My guess is I'd end up being prosecuted. Odd world....

And I just noticed... PESTON

Black, Asian and other minority ethnicities are grossly underrepreented in the staff of the BBC, so there has been some long-standing institutional discrimination on the part of the BBC against employing BAME candidates, or else the opportunities have not been there for BAME candidates to qualify as the best candidates for the job, or both. Either way I can see the justice in positive discrimination to redress this.

OK, so an advert that so explicitly discriminates against people on the basis of their ethnicity is pretty objectionable if you believe in equality of opportunity, but all the same I can still see the justice in this.

However, the injustice that remains is that only candidates who are independently supported can accept an internship in London on £15k, so this kind of positive discrimination may possibly even out the institutional discrimination that has historically excluded BAME candidates from jobs at the Beeb, but it only reinforces the discrimination against candidates who aren't the children of rich parents.


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post Jul 10 2017, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 10 2017, 06:07 PM) *
Black, Asian and other minority ethnicities are grossly underrepreented in the staff of the BBC, so there has been some long-standing institutional discrimination on the part of the BBC against employing BAME candidates, or else the opportunities have not been there for BAME

Proof? Evidence? Figures?
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post Jul 10 2017, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 10 2017, 06:35 PM) *
Proof? Evidence? Figures?

I think I read it in the Daily Mail.


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post Jul 10 2017, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 10 2017, 06:35 PM) *
Proof? Evidence? Figures?

And then there's what the BBC said about it too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnew...sentation-plans


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post Jul 10 2017, 07:38 PM
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I think it's important to recognise that these internships are not jobs, they are training opportunities to give underrepresented BAME candidates the opportunity and experience to succeed in open and fair recruitment for future jobs.


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post Jul 10 2017, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 10 2017, 07:27 PM) *
I think I read it in the Daily Mail.

You mean someone read it for you.
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post Jul 10 2017, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 10 2017, 07:33 PM) *
And then there's what the BBC said about it too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnew...sentation-plans

And I'm sure Miss Marple will benefit from a good healthy injection of Winston, Mohammad and Jafri!!
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post Jul 10 2017, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 10 2017, 08:38 PM) *
I think it's important to recognise that these internships are not jobs, they are training opportunities to give underrepresented BAME candidates the opportunity and experience to succeed in open and fair recruitment for future jobs.


Racism. Don't care how you package it. Nothing less. Again I ask what would be the reaction to a job advert for whites only interns. I would be disgusted - as I am about this. Its indefensible.
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post Jul 10 2017, 09:29 PM
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Just because you look more Talcum-X than Malcolm-X doesn't mean you're not who you identify as....

So long as you identify as non-white, no-one should have a problem with you applying. And if you think that you've been discriminated against because of how you appear then you should sue the racist b**tards.

I mean if a man can have a baby linky thing then surely the mere fact of having pale complexion shouldn't prevent you thinking and believing yourself to be black.
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post Jul 10 2017, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 10 2017, 09:29 PM) *
Just because you look more Talcum-X than Malcolm-X doesn't mean you're not who you identify as....

So long as you identify as non-white, no-one should have a problem with you applying. And if you think that you've been discriminated against because of how you appear then you should sue the racist b**tards.

I mean if a man can have a baby linky thing then surely the mere fact of having pale complexion shouldn't prevent you thinking and believing yourself to be black.

You iz ma bro man! Dig it! You n me against whitey! Ride on!
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post Jul 11 2017, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 10 2017, 10:16 PM) *
Racism. Don't care how you package it. Nothing less. Again I ask what would be the reaction to a job advert for whites only interns. I would be disgusted - as I am about this. Its indefensible.

No, not racism. Racism is the discrimination that has excluded BAME candidates from the creative industries. Creating internships to redress the disadvantage of BAME candidates so that they can compete for jobs at parity with non-BAME candidates doesn't discriminate against anyone, it just creates a level playing field.


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post Jul 11 2017, 07:57 AM
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"The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

Its racist. By definition and by intent.
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post Jul 11 2017, 11:21 AM
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At the end of the day, they are simply trying to make our society fairer and more of a meritocracy. Perhaps not going the right way about it, but there is nothing wrong with the intention. There is nothing new in our trying to eliminate discriminatory barriers; been going on for years. Many women still feel discriminated against for instance.

If this particular method of making things better isn't acceptable, does anyone have a better solution?


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