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post Jun 23 2017, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 23 2017, 01:13 PM) *
But even those will die in the furnace of the Sun. Anyway, we were living in natural balance of its habitat, but then the Brits invented the Industrial Revolution and scientists took over from religious leaders and now our population has exploded, possibly out of control.

Yep. Lets blame the British and the scientists.👍
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post Jun 23 2017, 04:02 PM
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In truth the wobble started about 3,000 years ago.
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post Jun 23 2017, 05:59 PM
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It's a big old place to find your way around in though... which direction would an intrepid inter-galactic explorer head?

https://youtu.be/JWVshkVF0SY

"...and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
because there's bugger all down here on earth"
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post Jun 23 2017, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (spartacus @ Jun 22 2017, 05:56 PM) *
It's a piece of piddle. All you need to do is change all the dials on existing spacecraft to show 'Warp Speed' and Bob's your uncle.
If Einstein says it can't be done then it can't be done.

As far as I can see there's nothing in what's being proposed that contradicts anything Einstein said.


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post Jun 23 2017, 07:01 PM
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Well it would need the 'Starchip' to be powered by dilithium crystals. Thought Einstein boiled down to anything with mass couldn't travel faster than the speed of light...
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post Jun 23 2017, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (spartacus @ Jun 23 2017, 08:01 PM) *
Well it would need the 'Starchip' to be powered by dilithium crystals. Thought Einstein boiled down to anything with mass couldn't travel faster than the speed of light...

Einstein's Special Relativity prohibits anything passing the light-barrier because of how the apparent mass increases as you get to relativistic speeds, but travelling faster than the speed of light is actually fine - it's just getting there that's the problem. That might sound like a quibbling distinction but quantum effects can allow just that kind of trick, though not for anything as big as a spaceship, even a tiny one.

The problem with faster-than-light travel is more fundamental that Einstein because of how it violates causality, though that's not necessarily a barrier, it would just make faster-than-light travel really really weird.

Anyhoo, the plan is to accelerate the micro-spaceship to a quarter of the speed of light so not through the light barrier. There'd be a relativistic inrease in mass, but I guess it could be done. I've no idea if anything like it has been tried - accelerating a microchip to a quarter of the speed of light and sending it six light years away on a trip taking 25 years powered only by photon pressure from an earth-born laser all sounds pretty bleeding-edge to me, but if you can keep the beam from diverging and keep the chip in the beam and heading in the right direction then I guess it would work if the beam doesn't just evaporate the chip! Whether the camera and transmitter would work after 25 years exposure to cosmic rays and such, and whether it would have the power to send its images all the way home again is anyone's guess.


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post Jun 23 2017, 09:13 PM
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Rather than sending a spaceship we could just shine a laser on neighbouring stars and any orbiting planets and see if anyone shines back - we might not be able to get there but we could at least make contact.


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post Jun 23 2017, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 23 2017, 10:13 PM) *
Rather than sending a spaceship we could just shine a laser on neighbouring stars and any orbiting planets and see if anyone shines back - we might not be able to get there but we could at least make contact.


Contact with what though? Bl00dy aliens coming here and taking our jobs.... laugh.gif
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post Jun 23 2017, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 23 2017, 10:41 PM) *
Contact with what though? Bl00dy aliens coming here and taking our jobs.... laugh.gif

You just don't get it do you. They've already been here! Advanced civilisations have developed quantum leap technology, travelling vast distances through the inky blackness of the interstellar void, tracked us down to our tiny spec orbiting a small star tucked away in an arm of an insignificant galaxy. Just so they could do pictures in wheatfields and scare some redneck teenagers in a pick up truck on a back road somewhere in Iowa. Makes perfect sense. Or, they could have saved the effort and stood on a hill and flashed a torch at the sky, 'cos that would work.
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post Jun 24 2017, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 23 2017, 01:13 PM) *
now our population has exploded, completely out of control.

Fixed that one! sad.gif
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post Jun 24 2017, 08:39 AM
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This is turning into a MORI poll as to whether;-

1. If it is feasible we should go ahead and to **** with the consequences.

2. We should avoid at all costs.

3.I have an ambivalent view but as long as they have lager beer on tap then let's give it a whirl.


I just have this idea that in a few hundred years time a teenage history student will be searching through the forum archives and come across one of the posts and exclaim " this chap/chapess got it right all those years ago ".

The reality is we can not predict future events or developments. Had someone told Henry V111 that an engine driven by steam could make decapitation a lot easier he would have thought you mad but he would see the benefit. Likewise traveling at or close to the speed of light may be outside our capability but not beyond perception.

On a slight tangent, I have often considered man as a species a bit of a freak of nature. No other species on the planet has developed at such a pace and very doubtful one ever will again. The dinosaurs plodded around for 150 million years and to the best of my knowledge never made a damned thing. Along comes this ape-like thing and within a couple of hundred thousand years is discussing topics that must be at the zenith of potential knowledge. If that wretched asteroid had not hit Mexico it is doubtful we would even be here.
Based on that premise the chance of "intelligent" life being out there is even slimmer than we may imagine. Life yes, but as the chap said: "not as we know it".
Interesting topic though.


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post Jun 24 2017, 09:30 AM
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At least the power from the laser might keep the chip warm, nothing worse than cold chips!
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post Jun 25 2017, 04:48 PM
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As various probes have now discovered water on other bodies in the solar system it seems inevitable that it exists in a free state elsewhere in the universe. This being so it leads to the conclusion that where there's water there could be life, it may not be intelligent life as we count it but that doesn't matter, it can always join the Labour party.


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post Jun 25 2017, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 25 2017, 05:48 PM) *
As various probes have now discovered water on other bodies in the solar system it seems inevitable that it exists in a free state elsewhere in the universe. This being so it leads to the conclusion that where there's water there could be life, it may not be intelligent life as we count it but that doesn't matter, it can always join the Labour party.


How dare you blaspheme the messiah JC. Off with your head. JC is the greatest man that has ever lived. He ia a living god.... Oohhhhhhh Jerermy Cobyn, Oh Jeremy Corrrrbyn. 😂
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post Jun 25 2017, 06:45 PM
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I wonder if a corduroy spacesuit would be viable?


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post Jun 25 2017, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 25 2017, 07:45 PM) *
I wonder if a corduroy spacesuit would be viable?


Don't diss de man Je Suis. You are cruisin. Sign up to the Corbyn revolution. Diane Abbott for Chancellor!!!!

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post Jun 25 2017, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 25 2017, 05:48 PM) *
As various probes have now discovered water on other bodies in the solar system it seems inevitable that it exists in a free state elsewhere in the universe. This being so it leads to the conclusion that where there's water there could be life, it may not be intelligent life as we count it but that doesn't matter, it can always join the Labour party.


Come on Je Suise, something to be welcomed, an enormous base of customers for you to exploit! As usual, you want your cake and eat it? tongue.gif




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post Jun 25 2017, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 25 2017, 09:44 PM) *
Come on Je Suise, something to be welcomed, an enormous base of customers for you to exploit! As usual, you want your cake and eat it? tongue.gif

Another good idea, have to start paying you a commission soon. Maybe I should set it up as a franchise? Where there's mugs there's money. And there's always more mugs, eh Tantalus old boy. 😂


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post Jun 26 2017, 08:34 AM
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One for the scientists out there. Is water the given constant for life or is it possible to thrive in an environment that is based on an element that is yet to be discovered ? I appreciate we could not survive without it but if there are "intelligent" life forms out there one of the reasons they don't pop around for tea is our planet is completely hostile to them.

There again it's a bloody long way to go for a cup of earl grey. rolleyes.gif


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post Jun 26 2017, 09:40 AM
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Its all academic anyway, planet X is due to bring an end to civilization in October this year anyway! That's right folks, Nibiru is inbound. The end of times, the Rapture, humanity has left the planet.
Jeremy Corbyn speaking from a bar at Glastonbury said "This is a direct result of Theresa May's Tory government, they know I'll be President of the British Soviet in six months and this is a deliberate act on her part to defeat me again!"
John McDonnell is furious apparently, he's quoted as saying "Tory murderers won't get away with this! I'm organising bus loads of activities with badly printed signs in to protest this obscenity! A day of phage with ten million on the streets will force this so called 'planet x' to think again"
And Diane speaking from a pie shop on Tower Hamlets said "I personally know of lots of other planets we could go to, there two (or three) just to the left of earth with much nicer skies" "pass the sauce would you?"
Elon Musk is apparently preparing to blast of into space and Bill Gates has been sending out coded warnings for months to warn us.

David Meade (author of planet X, the 2017 arrival) said the public is being kept in the dark deliberately to avoid panic.Earthquakes have dramatically increased both in number and intensity.
‘Storm systems are multiplying both in type, intensity and size. Sinkholes and cracks are appearing in the earth’s crust. Heat waves are getting stronger and are lasting longer.’
‘During this time frame on September 23, 2017, the moon appears under the feet of the Constellation Virgo. The Sun appears to precisely clothe Virgo. Only the one that occurs in 2017 constitutes a ‘birthing.’ This is when planets traverse within the legs of Virgo. Jupiter is birthed on 9-9-17.

‘The next event that follows is that Planet X will fully eclipse the Sun and cover the whole earth and full moon in shadow on the next full moon date. This is Thursday, October 5, 2017 (the following full moon date).’
That's me convinced then ! 🚀💥😂


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