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je suis Charlie
post May 31 2017, 01:43 PM
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Do you support internment then? Did it work with the IRA or did it just create more support and sympathy for the nationalist cause?

No, I don't support internment, what I do support is a 'root and branch' approach to those who would cause death, maiming and fear to be wrought on our society. Softly softly go easy lest we offend someone will not work.


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post May 31 2017, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 31 2017, 02:43 PM) *
No, I don't support internment, what I do support is a 'root and branch' approach to those who would cause death, maiming and fear to be wrought on our society. Softly softly go easy lest we offend someone will not work.

What would that involve? Explain what you mean.
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post May 31 2017, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 31 2017, 02:49 PM) *
What would that involve? Explain what you mean.

We need to be more pro active, we need to find not just the terrorists but their supporters and backers, we need better security checks on who's coming in and on those who are 'on the list' we need better intelligence, we need to get into the network and when we catch them we need to remove them from society.


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post May 31 2017, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 31 2017, 03:01 PM) *
We need to be more pro active, we need to find not just the terrorists but their supporters and backers, we need better security checks on who's coming in and on those who are 'on the list' we need better intelligence, we need to get into the network and when we catch them we need to remove them from society.

Surely we already do all of that?
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post May 31 2017, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 31 2017, 03:23 PM) *
Surely we already do all of that?

Not enough. We also need to find a way of denying them anonymity on the web, how I don't know, we also need to give our security the ability to access emails and internet accounts. We need a shoot to kill policy. I know THAT will draw some vigorous response but, if you have someone who has turned himself into a bomb and who's only intent is to die and by so doing earn himself a place in paradise as a martyr in a jihad by taking as many people with him as possible then we're past the sitting down with a cuppa and a plate of hobnobs stage.


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post May 31 2017, 03:00 PM
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A young woman brought her fiancé home to meet her parents. After dinner, her mother told her father to find out about the young man. The father invited the fiancé to his study for a talk.


"So what are your plans?" the father asked the young man.

"I am a political student" he replied.

"A political student, hmmm?" the father said. "Admirable, but what will you do to provide a nice house for my daughter to live in?"

"I will study," the young man replied, "and a labour government will provide for us."

"And how will you buy her a beautiful engagement ring, such as she deserves?" asked the father.

"I will concentrate on my studies," the young man replied, "a labour government will provide for us."

"And children?" asked the father. "How will you support children?"

"Don't worry, sir, a labour government will provide," replied the fiance.

The conversation proceeded like this, and each time the father questioned, the young idealist insisted that a labour government would provide.

Later, the mother asked, "How did it go, honey?"

The father answered, "He has no job and no plans, and he thinks I'm Jeremy Corbyn."

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post May 31 2017, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 31 2017, 04:00 PM) *
A young woman brought her fiancé home to meet her parents. After dinner, her mother told her father to find out about the young man. The father invited the fiancé to his study for a talk.


"So what are your plans?" the father asked the young man.

"I am a political student" he replied.

"A political student, hmmm?" the father said. "Admirable, but what will you do to provide a nice house for my daughter to live in?"

"I will study," the young man replied, "and a labour government will provide for us."

"And how will you buy her a beautiful engagement ring, such as she deserves?" asked the father.

"I will concentrate on my studies," the young man replied, "a labour government will provide for us."

"And children?" asked the father. "How will you support children?"

"Don't worry, sir, a labour government will provide," replied the fiance.

The conversation proceeded like this, and each time the father questioned, the young idealist insisted that a labour government would provide.

Later, the mother asked, "How did it go, honey?"

The father answered, "He has no job and no plans, and he thinks I'm Jeremy Corbyn."

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Ach, of course, in the Tory version, Dad insists Jack the lad, joins his firm. No great hardship; even though he's not really qualified to do the job, the money is far better than anything he'd even dreamed about. Her Mums even more pleased and lets him have a family heirloom for the engagement ring. Sure, the wedding was a bit OTT, but he wasn't paying, so it didn't hurt much. His mates are pretty envious of the nice flat and will be even more so when Nan pops her clogs and they inherit that lot. The kid they had was no big issue, not once the au pair had learned the ropes. Work is great too, once they found out who he was, just a matter of sitting back and letting 'his people' get on with it.

Bless you, life IS better under the Tories; Jack's alright!


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post May 31 2017, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 31 2017, 03:50 PM) *
Not enough. We also need to find a way of denying them anonymity on the web, how I don't know, we also need to give our security the ability to access emails and internet accounts. We need a shoot to kill policy. I know THAT will draw some vigorous response but, if you have someone who has turned himself into a bomb and who's only intent is to die and by so doing earn himself a place in paradise as a martyr in a jihad by taking as many people with him as possible then we're past the sitting down with a cuppa and a plate of hobnobs stage.

Not sure about anonymity on the web, but don't we already do all the rest? What about that Brazilian chap?
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post May 31 2017, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 31 2017, 04:34 PM) *
Ach, of course, in the Tory version, Dad insists Jack the lad, joins his firm. No great hardship; even though he's not really qualified to do the job, the money is far better than anything he'd even dreamed about. Her Mums even more pleased and lets him have a family heirloom for the engagement ring. Sure, the wedding was a bit OTT, but he wasn't paying, so it didn't hurt much. His mates are pretty envious of the nice flat and will be even more so when Nan pops her clogs and they inherit that lot. The kid they had was no big issue, not once the au pair had learned the ropes. Work is great too, once they found out who he was, just a matter of sitting back and letting 'his people' get on with it.

Bless you, life IS better under the Tories; Jack's alright!

And there's the proof, someone trying to lighten the mood and the labour attack dogs tries to take another bite.


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post May 31 2017, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 31 2017, 05:19 PM) *
Not sure about anonymity on the web, but don't we already do all the rest? What about that Brazilian chap?

We need to stop and check their Activities. If it means some loss of our civil liberties on a temporary basis then so be it.


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post May 31 2017, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 31 2017, 06:05 PM) *
We need to stop and check their Activities. If it means some loss of our civil liberties on a temporary basis then so be it.

Suspension of a right to privacy of correspondence, a shoot-to-kill policy, and suspension of the right to a fair trial - a triple whammy of human rights violations. That's a pretty fundamental violation of our civil liberties. Won't the medicine kill the patient?


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post May 31 2017, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 31 2017, 06:03 PM) *
And there's the proof, someone trying to lighten the mood and the labour attack dogs tries to take another bite.


I know, it's getting a bit worrying isn't it! Jeremy was in Reading today, sooo exciting, they often have very good Labour MPs.


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post May 31 2017, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 31 2017, 06:55 PM) *
Suspension of a right to privacy of correspondence, a shoot-to-kill policy, and suspension of the right to a fair trial - a triple whammy of human rights violations. That's a pretty fundamental violation of our civil liberties. Won't the medicine kill the patient?

Nope, desperate times call for desperate measures, the right to snoop will be restricted to those 'thought' to be a security risk, we don't have the where with all to deal with the general population. Of it's stupid but it works it ain't really stupid.


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post May 31 2017, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 31 2017, 07:06 PM) *
I know, it's getting a bit worrying isn't it! Jeremy was in Reading today, sooo exciting, they often have very good Labour MPs.

Just sit down beside me Mr Edge, you can talk to me, didn't your Father pay you much attention? Is that it? If you talk about what's troubling you it can help you know.


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post May 31 2017, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 31 2017, 04:34 PM) *
Ach, of course, in the Tory version, Dad insists Jack the lad, joins his firm. No great hardship; even though he's not really qualified to do the job, the money is far better than anything he'd even dreamed about. Her Mums even more pleased and lets him have a family heirloom for the engagement ring. Sure, the wedding was a bit OTT, but he wasn't paying, so it didn't hurt much. His mates are pretty envious of the nice flat and will be even more so when Nan pops her clogs and they inherit that lot. The kid they had was no big issue, not once the au pair had learned the ropes. Work is great too, once they found out who he was, just a matter of sitting back and letting 'his people' get on with it.

Bless you, life IS better under the Tories; Jack's alright!

That's where I've been going wrong! Bless you OTE, here was me going to college, then night school while I worked in a factory, then applying for countless jobs untill I got a job in a window company, then working several jobs while I got more qualifications, then working my way up through various sales jobs, often putting in twelve or fourteen hours a day. When all I had to do was have a rich daddy with his own company (which presumably he got through his father). BOY! Do I feel foolish! All that work for nothing! OTE? You're a genius.
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post May 31 2017, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 31 2017, 07:21 PM) *
Nope, desperate times call for desperate measures, the right to snoop will be restricted to those 'thought' to be a security risk, we don't have the where with all to deal with the general population. Of it's stupid but it works it ain't really stupid.

Do you not think you're getting things out of perspective? According to the BBC the Manchester guy bought all the bits himself. Although there may be hundreds of thousands of Muslims that feel the UK should not be invading Muslim countries, the number of terrorists appears to be minuscule don't you think? Should we really have internment and the loss of civil rights for so few people?
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post May 31 2017, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 31 2017, 07:34 PM) *
Do you not think you're getting things out of perspective? According to the BBC the Manchester guy bought all the bits himself. Although there may be hundreds of thousands of Muslims that feel the UK should not be invading Muslim countries, the number of terrorists appears to be minuscule don't you think? Should we really have internment and the loss of civil rights for so few people?

Tell that to the families of the Manchester / Paris atrocities. It's desperate measures for desperate times. They have declared war against all who will not how to their perverse form of radical Islam. Tell it to the victims families in Basra today. Sooner or later you have to do something. You seem to want to stop all action in the middle East, open our borders to all and not to be inconvenienced​ at home. It's never worked before and it won't work now. Sorry. 😥


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 31 2017, 07:32 PM) *
That's where I've been going wrong! Bless you OTE, here was me going to college, then night school while I worked in a factory, then applying for countless jobs untill I got a job in a window company, then working several jobs while I got more qualifications, then working my way up through various sales jobs, often putting in twelve or fourteen hours a day. When all I had to do was have a rich daddy with his own company (which presumably he got through his father). BOY! Do I feel foolish! All that work for nothing! OTE? You're a genius.

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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 31 2017, 07:32 PM) *
That's where I've been going wrong! Bless you OTE, here was me going to college, then night school while I worked in a factory, then applying for countless jobs untill I got a job in a window company, then working several jobs while I got more qualifications, then working my way up through various sales jobs, often putting in twelve or fourteen hours a day. When all I had to do was have a rich daddy with his own company (which presumably he got through his father). BOY! Do I feel foolish! All that work for nothing! OTE? You're a genius.


And JC will take it all off you... A Socialists wet dream.

He'll have to in oder to fufill his fantasies.
You may as well sell up and leave the Country if gets in.. And sharpish.

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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 31 2017, 07:32 PM) *
That's where I've been going wrong! Bless you OTE, here was me going to college, then night school while I worked in a factory, then applying for countless jobs untill I got a job in a window company, then working several jobs while I got more qualifications, then working my way up through various sales jobs, often putting in twelve or fourteen hours a day. When all I had to do was have a rich daddy with his own company (which presumably he got through his father). BOY! Do I feel foolish! All that work for nothing! OTE? You're a genius.


Hit a raw nerve have I Turin Machine; sorry. You've obviously worked very, very hard indeed and of course deserve what good things you have accumulated for the time you have left. Your choice of course.

You might have noticed there are some, in reality not too many, but a good few nonetheless who haven't the health or the skill or indeed the chance to have done what you've managed. They don't want the same, simply a reasonable existence, that's not too much to ask is it?



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