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> EU fail #1: low CO2 targets and filthy diesels cars
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post May 8 2017, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ May 8 2017, 09:47 AM) *
This whole thing is nothing to do with clean air and saving lives, but just another way of raising revenue.

If diesels were actually so bad, they would be banned altogether on health grounds, but this is not what is happening merely additional tax and all those filthy black cabs, vans, buses, etc get off scot free.

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Wot; like they've banned smoking!


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post May 8 2017, 12:06 PM
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If they want to save lives, ban tobacco, alcohol and fast food. That's a few hundred thousand lives saved per year.
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post May 8 2017, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ May 8 2017, 09:47 AM) *
Even if the government offered me £5000 scrappage, I still could not afford a new car.


That is true but you would be most of the way to a new Dacia at £6000.
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post May 8 2017, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ May 8 2017, 09:41 AM) *
I still don't see that VW has done anything wrong legally. They were given a set of regulations and testing conditions and optimised their vehicles to that regime.

There's a thing called lying by omission, but if VW did nothing wrong, I'm surprised they are willing to spend so much money 'rectifying' the issue.
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post May 8 2017, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 8 2017, 01:06 PM) *
If they want to save lives, ban tobacco, alcohol and fast food. That's a few hundred thousand lives saved per year.

Quite, but then what would the poor and unintelligent people do with their day.
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post May 8 2017, 01:15 PM
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...spend all their time on here complaining about things, probably.
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post May 8 2017, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 8 2017, 01:39 PM) *
That is true but you would be most of the way to a new Dacia at £6000.



maybe, but they don't offer a hybrid or electric version at anywhere like £6000
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post May 8 2017, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2017, 02:07 PM) *
Quite, but then what would the poor and unintelligent people do with their day.

LibDems missed a trick, this is allegedly the core Brexit vote!


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post May 8 2017, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 8 2017, 01:06 PM) *
If they want to save lives, ban tobacco, alcohol and fast food. That's a few hundred thousand lives saved per year.

In addition to that don't take the train, they have nasty diesel engines too. In fact the HST's have German ones!
Oh and don't buy all those goods in the supermarkets, nasty diesel lorries bring them.
Oh and don't expect cheap consumer goods from the Far East, they come in diesel powered ships.
For the same reason don't book that cruise.
Can't take the bus either because guess what.......
Come to think of it how much NOX does a plane pump out? Better be safe and cancel that holiday / business trip.
And think of all the money saved not building that extra runway at Heathrow.
No, the only way to get about is to drive a nice, environment friendly petrol car that pumps out perfumed fresh air!
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post May 8 2017, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 8 2017, 05:30 PM) *
In addition to that don't take the train, they have nasty diesel engines too. In fact the HST's have German ones!
Oh and don't buy all those goods in the supermarkets, nasty diesel lorries bring them.
Oh and don't expect cheap consumer goods from the Far East, they come in diesel powered ships.
For the same reason don't book that cruise.
Can't take the bus either because guess what.......
Come to think of it how much NOX does a plane pump out? Better be safe and cancel that holiday / business trip.
And think of all the money saved not building that extra runway at Heathrow.
No, the only way to get about is to drive a nice, environment friendly petrol car that pumps out perfumed fresh air!
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Once we're out of the EU we will be able to go round dumping NOx at our leisure.
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post May 8 2017, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2017, 07:44 PM) *
Once we're out of the EU we will be able to go round dumping NOx at our leisure.

Oh, if you insist!
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post May 8 2017, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2017, 07:44 PM) *
Once we're out of the EU we will be able to go round dumping NOx at our leisure.

There won't be any of those new-fangled Diesel engines once we've taken back control and all the nasty foreigners have taken their horrid foreign technology with them - it'll be back to good old-fashioned British engineering for everyone...


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post May 8 2017, 10:05 PM
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Too techy for me, I'm saving up for a nice Ford pilot V8. Latest fing round here, gonna be a babe magnet, flat head, side valves, all in a tasteful black. Gonna bling it up with some 12" rimz an a nice nickle rad cap wiv dat whirly fing Inna middle. Gonna be totally cool man, might save up n buy some of dem wicked whitewall tyres for it. 'S gonna be like so totally Bonnie n Clyde, make yer eyes pop n dat! cool.gif
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post May 9 2017, 06:31 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 8 2017, 08:41 PM) *
There won't be any of those new-fangled Diesel engines once we've taken back control and all the nasty foreigners have taken their horrid foreign technology with them - it'll be back to good old-fashioned British engineering for everyone...


This, for me, encapsulates the biggest, and to be honest, only real problem with us leaving Europe. We simply don't have the innovative or managerial competence to survive on our own, if ever we did.

Our survival in Europe, once we'd spent the cash we got from 'selling the farm' was as Europe's low wage, bang it together zone.

Where now?


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post May 9 2017, 06:50 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 9 2017, 07:31 AM) *
This, for me, encapsulates the biggest, and to be honest, only real problem with us leaving Europe. We simply don't have the innovative or managerial competence to survive on our own, if ever we did.

Our survival in Europe, once we'd spent the cash we got from 'selling the farm' was as Europe's low wage, bang it together zone.

Where now?

More the same, except we have the illusion of being in control that the Monster Raving Tories can exploit.
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post May 9 2017, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 9 2017, 07:50 AM) *
More the same, except we have the illusion of being in control that the Monster Raving Tories can exploit.


Yes, that seems to be the reality. Ironic, because if we'd stayed in, the EU was likely to have had another 'Greece' on its hands in a decade or so. Coming out, they'll have the advantage of a low wage area to exploit; without the worry. Triples all round


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post May 9 2017, 08:08 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 9 2017, 07:50 AM) *
More the same, except we have the illusion of being in control that the Monster Raving Tories can exploit.

Keyboard, meet forehead. Forehead? Meet keyboard.
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post May 9 2017, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 8 2017, 08:41 PM) *
There won't be any of those new-fangled Diesel engines once we've taken back control and all the nasty foreigners have taken their horrid foreign technology with them - it'll be back to good old-fashioned British engineering for everyone...


Oi!

There was nothing wrong with the Morris Marina/Ital...








....that couldn't be sorted out with 5 gallons of petrol and a match...
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post May 9 2017, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 9 2017, 07:31 AM) *
This, for me, encapsulates the biggest, and to be honest, only real problem with us leaving Europe. We simply don't have the innovative or managerial competence to survive on our own, if ever we did.

I loved this,. I think Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee would love the irony of this complaint written on the internet. laugh.gif
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post May 9 2017, 08:40 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 9 2017, 09:35 AM) *
I loved this,. I think Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee would love the irony of this complaint written on the internet. laugh.gif

One presumes he wrote it using a computer (or similar device) so Charles Babbage might wish to weigh in as well. 👦
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