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post Aug 10 2017, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 10 2017, 12:04 AM) *
If early reports are correct, Mazda have cracked the HCCI problem and will be rolling out highly effective and efficient petrol engines in 2018 / 19 if true it will herald a new generation of ice technology!


Are they also looking to solve the other minor problem created by the planet running out of cheap easily extracted fuel?


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post Aug 10 2017, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 10 2017, 05:50 AM) *
Are they also looking to solve the other minor problem created by the planet running out of cheap easily extracted fuel?

A/ not running out in either of our lifetimes.
B/ you mean other than the 30% increase in efficiency?
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post Aug 10 2017, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 10 2017, 07:22 AM) *
A/ not running out in either of our lifetimes.
B/ you mean other than the 30% increase in efficiency?


Don't get me wrong, it's a worthy attempt to significantly increase efficiency and much needed. Nonetheless, it is in the same league as Mr Welsbach's great invention was to the gas industry.

I appreciate having no concern for future generations doesn't fit easily with our society's present philosophy, but it's worth remembering that if past generations had the same attitudes, you might be spending most of your working day observing the rear end of a horse.


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post Aug 10 2017, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 10 2017, 09:01 AM) *
Don't get me wrong, it's a worthy attempt to significantly increase efficiency and much needed. Nonetheless, it is in the same league as Mr Welsbach's great invention was to the gas industry.

I appreciate having no concern for future generations doesn't fit easily with our society's present philosophy, but it's worth remembering that if past generations had the same attitudes, you might be spending most of your working day observing the rear end of a horse.

They had the same attitude, which is why all the forests are gone along with the coal mines. If I wanted to look at a horses **** I'd look you up.😂
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post Aug 10 2017, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 10 2017, 05:17 PM) *
They had the same attitude, which is why all the forests are gone along with the coal mines. If I wanted to look at a horses **** I'd look you up.😂


Something called learning cut in, sadly it seems to have been selective as you well know. tongue.gif


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post Aug 10 2017, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 10 2017, 07:22 AM) *
not running out in either of our lifetimes.

Hmmmm.....I'll pass that on to my grand daughter shall I?

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They had the same attitude, which is why all the forests are gone along with the coal mines.

There's plenty of coal left in the coal mines. It's just that we're not allowed to burn it any more because we are considering future generations! tongue.gif
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post Aug 10 2017, 05:04 PM
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There's plenty of coal left in the coal mines. It's just that we're not allowed to burn it any more because we are considering future generations! tongue.gif


Future generations will thank us for not using all the coal and leaving a bit for them. And the current generation should thank us that they don't have to work down the pit and can work in a nice call centre or supermarket instead.
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post Aug 10 2017, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 10 2017, 04:59 PM) *
Hmmmm.....I'll pass that on to my grand daughter shall I?


There's plenty of coal left in the coal mines. It's just that we're not allowed to burn it any more because we are considering future generations! tongue.gif

Except all the mines are flooded and derelict.
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post Aug 10 2017, 05:50 PM
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The problem as far as I can see is that any reduction per capita is offset by the number of additional users .
Are we not on playing catch up as opposed to finding a real answer to the problem ? Every citizen is entitled to drive a car / heat their house / cook their food etc but what hope is there if efficiency is lost to an increasing population ?

We are lucky in this Country inasmuch that most of the inhabitants are already user/contributor to the system , but the third world is growing and their consumption is only going in one direction .


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post Aug 10 2017, 06:41 PM
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I saw this on BBC and thought, je suis strikes again?

The Maldives: Political turmoil threatens the 'island paradise' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-40827633
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post Aug 10 2017, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 10 2017, 06:50 PM) *
The problem as far as I can see is that any reduction per capita is offset by the number of additional users .
Are we not on playing catch up as opposed to finding a real answer to the problem ? Every citizen is entitled to drive a car / heat their house / cook their food etc but what hope is there if efficiency is lost to an increasing population ?

We are lucky in this Country inasmuch that most of the inhabitants are already user/contributor to the system , but the third world is growing and their consumption is only going in one direction .


Everyone entitled?

It's rather ironic that population growth dips once an economy has developed. The faster we get the whole World 'developed' the better. Population would then start taking a dip.


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post Aug 11 2017, 06:13 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 10 2017, 06:50 PM) *
Every citizen thinks they are entitled to drive a car / heat their house / cook their food etc but what hope is there if efficiency is lost to an increasing population ?

Fixed that a bit but you have hit the nail cleanly on the head there Sir W!
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post Aug 11 2017, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 10 2017, 07:41 PM) *
I saw this on BBC and thought, je suis strikes again?


"I am" strikes again? Will?
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post Aug 11 2017, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 11 2017, 07:13 AM) *
Fixed that a bit but you have hit the nail cleanly on the head there Sir W!


My feeling is that as long as we live in a market force environment anyone with the means is entitled to spend it on whatever they choose . If we start dictating who has the right to a use of the diminishing resources the outcome will be anarchy on a global scale.
History has shown us that Countries will go to war over resources , whether that is water oil or food , and the most sensible way of maintaining the status quo is to share it around.

Little doubt something along these lines will manifest itself before long especially if global population is not controlled but we all know that is not going to happen.


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post Aug 11 2017, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 11 2017, 11:41 AM) *
My feeling is that as long as we live in a market force environment anyone with the means is entitled to spend it on whatever they choose . If we start dictating who has the right to a use of the diminishing resources the outcome will be anarchy on a global scale.
History has shown us that Countries will go to war over resources , whether that is water oil or food , and the most sensible way of maintaining the status quo is to share it around.

Little doubt something along these lines will manifest itself before long especially if global population is not controlled but we all know that is not going to happen.


Aaah, so whoever has the most money wins and can do exactly as they please; where is the difference?

Forgetting climate change or even diminishing reserves, being particularly selfish about it, we still gave a problem. Coal apart, we have few other natural resources left, very little money and as is becoming increasingly plain, few saleable skills. Probably as good a reason as any why we shouldn't use our residual legacy on trying to develop 'free' sustainable energy.


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post Aug 11 2017, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 11 2017, 11:41 AM) *
My feeling is that as long as we live in a market force environment anyone with the means is entitled to spend it on whatever they choose . If we start dictating who has the right to a use of the diminishing resources the outcome will be anarchy on a global scale.
History has shown us that Countries will go to war over resources , whether that is water oil or food , and the most sensible way of maintaining the status quo is to share it around.

Little doubt something along these lines will manifest itself before long especially if global population is not controlled but we all know that is not going to happen.

Sorry, but are you arguing that you can only have access to life's essentials if you are wealthy? Societies have certainly gone up in flames when the privileged believed that - "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche", etc, etc.


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post Aug 11 2017, 07:11 PM
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post Aug 11 2017, 07:33 PM
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There was an interesting article on TV last about the folley of adherence to escalating GDP.
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 11 2017, 07:51 PM) *
Sorry, but are you arguing that you can only have access to life's essentials if you are wealthy? Societies have certainly gone up in flames when the privileged believed that - "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche", etc, etc.


??? Must be the dementia kicking in because I couldn't see any reference to me advocating such a proposal , more a case of stating the obvious . rolleyes.gif


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post Sep 29 2017, 10:37 AM
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"London Mayor Sadiq Khan is seeking new powers to ban wood burning in the most polluted areas of the capital.The mayor has written to the Environment Secretary Michael Gove asking for greater powers to tackle air pollution not caused by traffic.Mr Khan wants to introduce a network of "zero-emission zones" where the burning of wood or coal is completely prohibited.He also wants tougher controls on the sale of wood-burning stoves."

And not before time, give the cardigan wearing libtards something to bay about!


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