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> Halal, why should we put up with this?, If fox hunting with dogs is outlawed, why not Halal?
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post Oct 7 2018, 07:15 PM
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BREAKING NEWS!

Far Right racist islamaphobic (Not anti-antisemitism though tongue.gif ) UKIP Candidate campaigns for the banning of halal and kosher slaughter.

https://kippercentral.com/2018/10/07/civili...tual-slaughter/



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post Oct 7 2018, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 7 2018, 08:15 PM) *
BREAKING NEWS!

Far Right racist islamaphobic (Not anti-antisemitism though tongue.gif ) UKIP Candidate campaigns for the banning of halal and kosher slaughter.

https://kippercentral.com/2018/10/07/civili...tual-slaughter/

Shock horror. Far right are anti Semitic.
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post Oct 8 2018, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 7 2018, 08:15 PM) *
BREAKING NEWS!

Far Right racist islamaphobic (Not anti-antisemitism though tongue.gif ) UKIP Candidate campaigns for the banning of halal and kosher slaughter.

https://kippercentral.com/2018/10/07/civili...tual-slaughter/

I agree with him.
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post Oct 8 2018, 08:11 AM
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Has this quote from Gandhi been posted here before?
Can't remember.
Anyway, here's a reminder...........
"The greatness of a nation and it's moral progress can be judged by the way it's animals are treated."
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post Oct 8 2018, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 8 2018, 09:11 AM) *
Has this quote from Gandhi been posted here before?
Can't remember.
Anyway, here's a reminder...........
"The greatness of a nation and it's moral progress can be judged by the way it's animals are treated."


That does not bode well for UK plc then. There is an element, (and quite a large one), that considers it ok to trample over all and sundry so a defenceless animal has no chance. The pity is that the vast majority support a more compassionate approach to how food arrives on our plate but they do not speak as a single voice because whenever the matter gains momentum it hits the brick wall of religious bigotry.


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post Oct 8 2018, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 8 2018, 08:53 PM) *
That does not bode well for UK plc then. There is an element, (and quite a large one), that considers it ok to trample over all and sundry so a defenceless animal has no chance. The pity is that the vast majority support a more compassionate approach to how food arrives on our plate but they do not speak as a single voice because whenever the matter gains momentum it hits the brick wall of religious bigotry.

Thereís nothing humane killing a healthy creature that doesnít want to die.
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post Oct 9 2018, 03:39 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 9 2018, 12:21 AM) *
Thereís nothing humane killing a healthy creature that doesnít want to die.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking isnít it? Additionally I donít ever recall anyone being upset by Kosher yet thereís this widespread condemnation of Halal. Itís just another symptom of Islamophobia.

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post Oct 9 2018, 04:18 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 9 2018, 04:39 AM) *
The hypocrisy is breathtaking isnít it? Additionally I donít ever recall anyone being upset by Kosher yet thereís this widespread condemnation of Halal. Itís just another symptom of Islamophobia.

Yawn....
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post Oct 9 2018, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 9 2018, 04:39 AM) *
I don’t ever recall anyone being upset by Kosher yet there’s this widespread condemnation of Halal. It’s just another symptom of Islamophobia.

At the grave risk of repeating repeating myself!! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 9 2018, 07:55 AM
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I am an ardent supporter of the campaign to ban all religious slaughter, including Kosher. Everyone I know is to be fair, even the racist ones at least pretend they are as well now!
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post Oct 9 2018, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 9 2018, 08:55 AM) *
I am an ardent supporter of the campaign to ban all religious slaughter, including Kosher. Everyone I know is to be fair, even the racist ones at least pretend they are as well now!



Ouch, there goes another rib. unsure.gif


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post Oct 10 2018, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 9 2018, 12:21 AM) *
Thereís nothing humane killing a healthy creature that doesnít want to die.


That animal would not even have been born had it not been for the meat requirement. ALL life dies eventually, the only difference being we choose when that end comes for some. The whole point being that we respect that position and treat the animal with compassion before being harvested which should be quick and painless.
The last two requirements are not present in jewish and muslim abattoirs and this has absolutely nothing to do with racial prejudice.


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post Oct 10 2018, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM) *
The whole point being that we respect that position and treat the animal with compassion before being harvested which should be quick and painless.
The last two requirements are not present in jewish and muslim abattoirs and this has absolutely nothing to do with racial prejudice.

That's probably because it is done in the name of deluded religious fanaticism, nothing to do with race.
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post Oct 10 2018, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:52 PM) *
That's probably because it is done in the name of deluded religious fanaticism, nothing to do with race.

Yes. Good old sky fairies. It pains me to think that in this enlightened age some still cling to some ancient fables about master beings. And then some people get right upset about any criticism of these stories.
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post Oct 10 2018, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 10 2018, 06:11 PM) *
Yes. Good old sky fairies. It pains me to think that in this enlightened age some still cling to some ancient fables about master beings. And then some people get right upset about any criticism of these stories.



It is just staggering how high a percentage of the human race is so deluded. sad.gif


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post Oct 10 2018, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 10 2018, 07:33 PM) *
It is just staggering how high a percentage of the human race is so deluded. sad.gif


laugh.gif Everyone is out of step except me!
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM) *
That animal would not even have been born had it not been for the meat requirement. ALL life dies eventually, the only difference being we choose when that end comes for some. The whole point being that we respect that position and treat the animal with compassion before being harvested which should be quick and painless.
The last two requirements are not present in jewish and muslim abattoirs and this has absolutely nothing to do with racial prejudice.

For me your argument is the equivalent of believing Harold Shipman is a better bloke than Michael Ryan.
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post Oct 10 2018, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 10 2018, 09:52 PM) *
For me your argument is the equivalent of believing Harold Shipman is a better bloke than Michael Ryan.


I disagree. The last time I checked human beings had both incisors and molars which made us.... Omnivores. This means we are meant to eat both veg and meat. If we do have to eat meat then the animal we are eating should be given a good a life as possible and then dispatched in the quickest and most pain free way. Until such time as meat can be produced from none sentient beings (that is not far away) then this is a necessary evil. When meat is produced from none sentient beings then I guess our future selves wil look upon us as murdering evil bstds. But then looking back is easy to criticise.
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post Oct 11 2018, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 10 2018, 11:03 PM) *
I disagree. The last time I checked human beings had both incisors and molars which made us.... Omnivores. This means we are meant to eat both veg and meat. If we do have to eat meat then the animal we are eating should be given a good a life as possible and then dispatched in the quickest and most pain free way. Until such time as meat can be produced from none sentient beings (that is not far away) then this is a necessary evil. When meat is produced from none sentient beings then I guess our future selves wil look upon us as murdering evil bstds. But then looking back is easy to criticise.


Don't understand this at all. What is a non sentient being? Presumably plants, but who are we to say plants don't feel pain? Some people believe that fish don't feel pain, so we still have the barbaric sport of angling.
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post Oct 11 2018, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 10 2018, 07:33 PM) *
It is just staggering how high a percentage of the human race is so deluded. sad.gif

It's staggering that it bothers you. I'm an atheist but I couldn't care less what someone else believes.
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