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> 34% of the uk agree with Trumps ban, According to Sky..... And 18% were undecided.
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post Jan 30 2017, 10:15 PM
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So.... Would the 18% vote for it in the privacy of a polling booth? I think it would be close. I personally don't agree with Trumps ban but I do hate all the PC rhetoric. The more snowflakes the more I'd lean towards voting for a ban just to p1ss them off. 😄
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post Jan 30 2017, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 30 2017, 10:15 PM) *
So.... Would the 18% vote for it in the privacy of a polling booth? I think it would be close. I personally don't agree with Trumps ban but I do hate all the PC rhetoric. The more snowflakes the more I'd lean towards voting for a ban just to p1ss them off. 😄

Whatever anyone thinks of the ban, it's certainly legal under section 212 of the INA, morally? Big question, depends on which side of the 'homeland security' argument you happen to favour.


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post Jan 30 2017, 11:24 PM
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I'd have thought banning travel from countries that are notorious for exporting terrorists would be more effective!
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post Jan 31 2017, 06:28 AM
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All would be good except no US citizen has been killed on US soil by citizens of the banned countries. Yet Saudis and UAE citizens have killed thousands and aren't banned. The US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan yet neither had attacked the US. It's all bollocks.
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post Jan 31 2017, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2017, 06:28 AM) *
All would be good except no US citizen has been killed on US soil by citizens of the banned countries. Yet Saudis and UAE citizens have killed thousands and aren't banned. The US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan yet neither had attacked the US. It's all bollocks.

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post Jan 31 2017, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2017, 06:28 AM) *
All would be good except no US citizen has been killed on US soil by citizens of the banned countries. Yet Saudis and UAE citizens have killed thousands and aren't banned. The US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan yet neither had attacked the US. It's all bollocks.

We are possibly ignoring foiled plots from those places.
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post Jan 31 2017, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 31 2017, 05:52 PM) *
We are possibly ignoring foiled plots from those places.

If true, it doesn't alter the hypocrisy around Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
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post Jan 31 2017, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2017, 06:44 PM) *
If true, it doesn't alter the hypocrisy around Saudi Arabia and the UAE.


Agreed. For once!! laugh.gif
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post Jan 31 2017, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2017, 06:44 PM) *
If true, it doesn't alter the hypocrisy around Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Whome we are happy to entertain at state level.


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post Jan 31 2017, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 31 2017, 07:29 PM) *
Whome we are happy to entertain at state level.


I see the petitionn for him TO make a State visit is currently gaining more sugnatures per hour than the one against. No mention of this on the BBC though? Wonder why......
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post Jan 31 2017, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2017, 06:44 PM) *
If true, it doesn't alter the hypocrisy around Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

They are also an American ally.
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post Jan 31 2017, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 31 2017, 07:47 PM) *
I see the petitionn for him TO make a State visit is currently gaining more sugnatures per hour than the one against. No mention of this on the BBC though? Wonder why......

You won't see that featured in luvvies fortnightly either. It simply don't play well in some circles.


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post Jan 31 2017, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 31 2017, 08:26 PM) *
You won't see that featured in luvvies fortnightly either. It simply don't play well in some circles.

Have you seen the grammar in it? But leaving that aside, many people that voted Brexit are appalled by Trump. It does seem to be just the really right wing people that support him here. I actually think he'll set back the right wing in Europe with his awful policies.
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post Jan 31 2017, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2017, 09:50 PM) *
Have you seen the grammar in it? But leaving that aside, many people that voted Brexit are appalled by Trump. It does seem to be just the really right wing people that support him here. I actually think he'll set back the right wing in Europe with his awful policies.

The basic, over riding tenet for me is that of 'Free speech' this is a country that spends vast amounts of money providing police guards for extremist Muslim preachers to spout their hate and bile on street corners with little or no reaction from the public at large and yet we are prepared to devote endless column inches to the cause of not allowing the leader of the free world to come speak in England. Really?? On a side note I saw a placard being waved in the USA that said something like "Down with Trump, I think he's a horrible man" Lots of horrible men out there sir, better get used to it.


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post Jan 31 2017, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 31 2017, 10:16 PM) *
The basic, over riding tenet for me is that of 'Free speech' this is a country that spends vast amounts of money providing police guards for extremist Muslim preachers to spout their hate and bile on street corners with little or no reaction from the public at large and yet we are prepared to devote endless column inches to the cause of not allowing the leader of the free world to come speak in England. Really?? On a side note I saw a placard being waved in the USA that said something like "Down with Trump, I think he's a horrible man" Lots of horrible men out there sir, better get used to it.
Didn't someone say once say something like, the only thing necessary for the triumph of horrible men is for good men to do nothing?
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post Jan 31 2017, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 31 2017, 10:30 PM) *
Didn't someone say once say something like, the only thing necessary for the triumph of horrible men is for good men to do nothing?

Yes, some one also said "War is the locomotive of history" which has exactly the same relavence to my point on free speech.


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post Jan 31 2017, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2017, 09:50 PM) *
Have you seen the grammar in it? But leaving that aside, many people that voted Brexit are appalled by Trump. It does seem to be just the really right wing people that support him here. I actually think he'll set back the right wing in Europe with his awful policies.


So people with poor grammar should keep quiet? Really?
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post Jan 31 2017, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 31 2017, 11:16 PM) *
So people with poor grammar should keep quiet? Really?

You saying my Grandma's poor?? tongue.gif


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post Jan 31 2017, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 31 2017, 11:22 PM) *
You saying my Grandma's poor?? tongue.gif

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post Feb 1 2017, 06:24 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 31 2017, 11:16 PM) *
So people with poor grammar should keep quiet? Really?

I was just making the point that it appears to me that it's only extremists in this country that support Trump. It was an aside to mention the grammar.
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