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Posted by: gel Oct 4 2018, 10:03 AM

Not a new article, but interesting never the less.
Mr Benyon at the top; there's a surprise.
https://whoownsengland.org/2017/04/17/the-thirty-landowners-who-own-half-a-county/

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 4 2018, 12:11 PM

QUOTE (gel @ Oct 4 2018, 11:03 AM) *
Not a new article, but interesting never the less.
Mr Benyon at the top; there's a surprise.
https://whoownsengland.org/2017/04/17/the-thirty-landowners-who-own-half-a-county/


Interesting. There appears to one or two glaring omissions but I am not about to start a witch hunt on that one. Still someone has to own the land and providing they manage it correctly I have no problem. If it was distributed among the great unwashed it would be a recipe for disaster.

Posted by: spartacus Oct 4 2018, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 4 2018, 01:11 PM) *
Still someone has to own the land and providing they manage it correctly I have no problem. If it was distributed among the great unwashed it would be a recipe for disaster.
Exactly.... handing land back didn't work out too well for Zimbabwe did it. The former Bread Basket of Southern Africa quickly turned into a basket case and now Julius Malema and his murderous thugs in the EFF are going to do the same to South Africa.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 4 2018, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 4 2018, 05:56 PM) *
Exactly.... handing land back didn't work out too well for Zimbabwe did it. The former Bread Basket of Southern Africa quickly turned into a basket case and now Julius Malema and his murderous thugs in the EFF are going to do the same to South Africa.



They already are, but unofficially.

The ironic thing is that for most of the farms being attacked and ruined there are black families being put out of an income, and homeless in some cases.

Check out, if you haven't already, Lauren Southern and Katie Hopkins documentaries.

Posted by: newres Oct 4 2018, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 4 2018, 06:20 PM) *
They already are, but unofficially.

The ironic thing is that for most of the farms being attacked and ruined there are black families being put out of an income, and homeless in some cases.

Check out, if you haven't already, Lauren Southern and Katie Hopkins documentaries.

No thanks.

Posted by: spartacus Oct 4 2018, 06:09 PM

I have a close friend in RSA who owns a reasonably successful vineyard which has been targetted and his family were attacked twice. His neighbour is one of the farms on the forced expropriation without compensation list. The neighbour has been hospitalised twice with gunshot wounds. Long serving farm hands who came to his aid and tried to prevent the farm being burnt to the ground and all the tractors and equipment stolen were badly beaten and two killed.

He is closing the vineyard this December and leaving. He can't even sell as nobody wants to buy sonething that may be taken anyway. 20 years of investment and hard work just gone.

Anyway. Thread diversion. I think the OP wanted to have a moan about the toffs and landed gentry and Benyon in particular...

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 4 2018, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 4 2018, 07:09 PM) *
I have a close friend in RSA who owns a reasonably successful vineyard which has been targetted and his family were attacked twice. His neighbour is one of the farms on the forced expropriation without compensation list. The neighbour has been hospitalised twice with gunshot wounds. Long serving farm hands who came to his aid and tried to prevent the farm being burnt to the ground and all the tractors and equipment stolen were badly beaten and two killed.

He is closing the vineyard this December and leaving. He can't even sell as nobody wants to buy sonething that may be taken anyway. 20 years of investment and hard work just gone.

Anyway. Thread diversion. I think the OP wanted to have a moan about the toffs and landed gentry and Benyon in particular...


I work with a zulu girl who left south africa because of the current policies. Lovely girl. Just the start though of an inevitable mass migration. Both black and white.

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 4 2018, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 4 2018, 05:56 PM) *
Exactly.... handing land back didn't work out too well for Zimbabwe did it. The former Bread Basket of Southern Africa quickly turned into a basket case and now Julius Malema and his murderous thugs in the EFF are going to do the same to South Africa.


One doesn't hear to many of the West's liberals who campaigned relentlessly for the downthrow of "white" government admitting they got it wrong but there again what is a a bit of suffering compared to the advancement of ideology. angry.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 4 2018, 11:46 PM

But there's an feeling that we need to give the land back to the 'people' like it would be safe under their stewardship, just look at the state of any public land the public has regular access to, not happy till they've claimed ownership by filling it full of their crap. No thanks.

Posted by: newres Oct 5 2018, 07:59 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 4 2018, 08:49 PM) *
One doesn't hear to many of the West's liberals who campaigned relentlessly for the downthrow of "white" government admitting they got it wrong but there again what is a a bit of suffering compared to the advancement of ideology. angry.gif

Given the fact that white people invaded, stole the land, then subjugated and enslaved the indigenous population, it doesnít seem unreasonable to take the land back. As long as it isnít violently (unless necessary) and whatever the consequences for production. It se m ironic that rabid Brexiteers would not see this. You couldnít make it up.

Posted by: Strafin Oct 5 2018, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 4 2018, 06:20 PM) *
They already are, but unofficially.

The ironic thing is that for most of the farms being attacked and ruined there are black families being put out of an income, and homeless in some cases.

Check out, if you haven't already, Lauren Southern and Katie Hopkins documentaries.

No chance.

Posted by: Strafin Oct 5 2018, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 5 2018, 08:59 AM) *
Given the fact that white people invaded, stole the land, then subjugated and enslaved the indigenous population, it doesnít seem unreasonable to take the land back. As long as it isnít violently (unless necessary) and whatever the consequences for production. It se m ironic that rabid Brexiteers would not see this. You couldnít make it up.

I was thinking along those lines as I read through this too.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 5 2018, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 5 2018, 08:59 AM) *
Given the fact that white people invaded, stole the land, then subjugated and enslaved the indigenous population, it doesnít seem unreasonable to take the land back. As long as it isnít violently (unless necessary) and whatever the consequences for production. It se m ironic that rabid Brexiteers would not see this. You couldnít make it up.

Yup, quite acceptable to leave a well run prosperous country to sink into a mire of corruption and starvation. Nothing wrong with seeing the population sitting around wondering where all the food has gone.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 5 2018, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 5 2018, 02:03 PM) *
Yup, quite acceptable to leave a well run prosperous country to sink into a mire of corruption and starvation. Nothing wrong with seeing the population sitting around wondering where all the food has gone.

Don't worry. Im sure Newres and Strafin will sell all assets to help when the inebitible happens. 😂

**** Europeans took the American Indian lands as well. Oh and dont forget the Aboriginees. Poxy white people. Round them all up and shoot em.👍

Posted by: Strafin Oct 5 2018, 05:04 PM

I'll have long starved to death by the time the need for that comes around. I still haven't stockpiled any food for the impending Brexit.

Posted by: newres Oct 5 2018, 05:34 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 5 2018, 04:37 PM) *
Don't worry. Im sure Newres and Strafin will sell all assets to help when the inebitible happens. 😂

**** Europeans took the American Indian lands as well. Oh and dont forget the Aboriginees. Poxy white people. Round them all up and shoot em.👍

They're just "taking back control" laugh.gif .

As Jones used to say, you rabid lot "don't like it up 'em".

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 5 2018, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 5 2018, 06:34 PM) *
They're just "taking back control" laugh.gif .

As Jones used to say, you rabid lot "don't like it up 'em".

You seen to be agreeing with racism against whites in those countries which are indigenous to black people. Presumably you also want all none whites dispossessed and deported from the UK as well? You are more right wing than I could ever be.😂

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 5 2018, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 5 2018, 06:04 PM) *
I'll have long starved to death by the time the need for that comes around. I still haven't stockpiled any food for the impending Brexit.

More fool you. I have a 5 year stock of bottled water, tinned food, essential medical supplies and a stockplie of weapons. You aint gwtting none of it come brexit day. 👍

Posted by: newres Oct 5 2018, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 5 2018, 06:45 PM) *
You seen to be agreeing with racism against whites in those countries which are indigenous to black people. Presumably you also want all none whites dispossessed and deported from the UK as well? You are more right wing than I could ever be.😂

I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of being angry at people in South Africa "taking back control" regardless of the disaster it may bring, yet thinking it alright to "take back control" here when even Rees Mogg says it'll take 50 years to see if it was worth it. You're all nutters!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 5 2018, 06:08 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 5 2018, 07:02 PM) *
I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of being angry at people in South Africa "taking back control" regardless of the disaster it may bring, yet thinking it alright to "take back control" here when even Rees Mogg says it'll take 50 years to see if it was worth it. You're all nutters!

Voting for the Uk to leave the EU and dispossessing and being racist against a race of people are quite different. But then again I wouldnt expect you libtards to understand that. You're all nutters!

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 5 2018, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 5 2018, 06:48 PM) *
More fool you. I have a 5 year stock of bottled water, tinned food, essential medical supplies and a stockplie of weapons. You aint gwtting none of it come brexit day. 👍


What happens when your 5 years are up? cool.gif Maybe Tesco will have reopened . On a positive note at least you will no longer have to try and convince those who can not see the folly of their ways.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 5 2018, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 5 2018, 07:18 PM) *
What happens when your 5 years are up? cool.gif Maybe Tesco will have reopened . On a positive note at least you will no longer have to try and convince those who can not see the folly of their ways.

According to the remoaners most people will be dead after 5 years and I will inherit west berkshire.👍😂

Posted by: newres Oct 5 2018, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 5 2018, 07:21 PM) *
According to the remoaners most people will be dead after 5 years and I will inherit west berkshire.👍😂

At least you wonít run out of gammon. laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 5 2018, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 5 2018, 07:24 PM) *
At least you wonít run out of gammon. laugh.gif

Gammon is much nicer than sour grapes.👍😂

Posted by: x2lls Oct 5 2018, 07:48 PM

Newres, no thanks.
Strafin, no chance.

When being offered an alternative view done with professional reporting.

Oh the irony of accusing me of only going to one source for "news".


Posted by: x2lls Oct 5 2018, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 4 2018, 07:09 PM) *
I have a close friend in RSA who owns a reasonably successful vineyard which has been targetted and his family were attacked twice. His neighbour is one of the farms on the forced expropriation without compensation list. The neighbour has been hospitalised twice with gunshot wounds. Long serving farm hands who came to his aid and tried to prevent the farm being burnt to the ground and all the tractors and equipment stolen were badly beaten and two killed.

He is closing the vineyard this December and leaving. He can't even sell as nobody wants to buy sonething that may be taken anyway. 20 years of investment and hard work just gone.

Anyway. Thread diversion. I think the OP wanted to have a moan about the toffs and landed gentry and Benyon in particular...



Thank you for that personal view. As you say, it is real and very very sad.

Posted by: spartacus Oct 6 2018, 01:52 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 5 2018, 08:59 AM) *
Given the fact that white people invaded, stole the land, then subjugated and enslaved the indigenous population, it doesnít seem unreasonable to take the land back. As long as it isnít violently (unless necessary) and whatever the consequences for production. It se m ironic that rabid Brexiteers would not see this. You couldnít make it up.
...except the 'enslaved and subjugated' bit wasn't entirely a white preserve. The Bantu tribes were invading, slaughtering and enslaving the Hottentots, Khoi & San people (bushmen) for centuries before the European settlers turned up.

The Voortrekkers (Dutch settlers) were generally pretty religious and along with British missionaries gave aid and medicine to local tribes people while they got down to converting the heathen rather than killing them.and converting the virgin bush to fertile farmland

The pattern for the nomadic tribes on the other hand was that they were constantly warring with each other, raiding for cattle & slaves. Around each tribal village there would be a network of small gardens where basic grain & vegetables were grown, but after a number of years most villages would have exhausted the game in the area and taken all the goodness from the soil in the gardens, polluted water souces and would be forced to find & move to another site. That was the pattern of Sub Saharan African life for millennia.

Certain tribes like the Zulu in SA, the Matabele in S. Rhodesia & the Lozi in N. Rhodesia, under strong leadership, became dominant in their areas and ruled huge areas of land extracting tribute from other tribes in exchange for not attacking/killing/enslaving them, if they were lucky.

The population density was minute so vast areas of land appeared to be uninhabited. Often local chiefs would sell/give permission for Europeans to settle land in exchange for trinkets such as cloth, beads, steel knives & occasionally old muskets. This was scrubland and virgin bush that was changed to fertile land over time by a combination of crop rotation, fertilisation, irrigation and hard work.

A century or more later these areas of fertile farms and vineyards are now being viewed with jealous eyes. Is there a need to take these farms back by force? There's plenty of scrubland and virgin bush left which could instead be converted just like these farms were. Two problems with that line of thought are that those huge swathes of unused and undeveloped land are owned by the ANC and that it would involve hard graft. It's easier to nick what's already working to wipe your **** with it.

Posted by: newres Oct 6 2018, 04:05 AM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 6 2018, 02:52 AM) *
...except the 'enslaved and subjugated' bit wasn't entirely a white preserve. The Bantu tribes were invading, slaughtering and enslaving the Hottentots, Khoi & San people (bushmen) for centuries before the European settlers turned up.

The Voortrekkers (Dutch settlers) were generally pretty religious and along with British missionaries gave aid and medicine to local tribes people while they got down to converting the heathen rather than killing them.and converting the virgin bush to fertile farmland

The pattern for the nomadic tribes on the other hand was that they were constantly warring with each other, raiding for cattle & slaves. Around each tribal village there would be a network of small gardens where basic grain & vegetables were grown, but after a number of years most villages would have exhausted the game in the area and taken all the goodness from the soil in the gardens, polluted water souces and would be forced to find & move to another site. That was the pattern of Sub Saharan African life for millennia.

Certain tribes like the Zulu in SA, the Matabele in S. Rhodesia & the Lozi in N. Rhodesia, under strong leadership, became dominant in their areas and ruled huge areas of land extracting tribute from other tribes in exchange for not attacking/killing/enslaving them, if they were lucky.

The population density was minute so vast areas of land appeared to be uninhabited. Often local chiefs would sell/give permission for Europeans to settle land in exchange for trinkets such as cloth, beads, steel knives & occasionally old muskets. This was scrubland and virgin bush that was changed to fertile land over time by a combination of crop rotation, fertilisation, irrigation and hard work.

A century or more later these areas of fertile farms and vineyards are now being viewed with jealous eyes. Is there a need to take these farms back by force? There's plenty of scrubland and virgin bush left which could instead be converted just like these farms were. Two problems with that line of thought are that those huge swathes of unused and undeveloped land are owned by the ANC and that it would involve hard graft. It's easier to nick what's already working to wipe your **** with it.

I freely admit I know virtually nothing about whatís going on and whilst I do have a good deal of sympathy for those being dispossessed, the fact of the matter is that whatever the politics involving the various tribes, I didnít just imagine apartheid. It did happen until very recently. And many of those farmers Iím quite certain benefited from that system, so whilst I have some sympathy on an individual level, it doesnít strike me as one of the greatest injustices. The greater surprise is the overall tolerance shown by the blacks to the whites following apartheid and that it didnít happen sooner.

Anyway, Iíve never met a nice South African.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 6 2018, 06:54 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 6 2018, 05:05 AM) *
I freely admit I know virtually nothing about whatís going on and whilst I do have a good deal of sympathy for those being dispossessed, the fact of the matter is that whatever the politics involving the various tribes, I didnít just imagine apartheid. It did happen until very recently. And many of those farmers Iím quite certain benefited from that system, so whilst I have some sympathy on an individual level, it doesnít strike me as one of the greatest injustices. The greater surprise is the overall tolerance shown by the blacks to the whites following apartheid and that it didnít happen sooner.

Anyway, Iíve never met a nice South African.

You dont actually know much about anything.😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 6 2018, 08:22 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 6 2018, 05:05 AM) *
I freely admit I know virtually nothing about whatís going on and whilst I do have a good deal of sympathy for those being dispossessed, the fact of the matter is that whatever the politics involving the various tribes, I didnít just imagine apartheid. It did happen until very recently. And many of those farmers Iím quite certain benefited from that system, so whilst I have some sympathy on an individual level, it doesnít strike me as one of the greatest injustices. The greater surprise is the overall tolerance shown by the blacks to the whites following apartheid and that it didnít happen sooner.

Anyway, Iíve never met a nice South African.


The sad reality is that those africans who worked on white owned farms had a far better lifestyle than what was forced on them after, (as in the case of Rhodesia), the owners were kicked out. Apartheid was not used in SA as a means of suppressing the indigenous population more a tool to maintain white control. You may find that unpalatable but it was certainly better for the country and the majority of it's inhabitants.
Despite history saying otherwise SA would have been a lot worse off if the brits hadn't nicked it off the dutch 120 years ago.

Posted by: Mr Brown Oct 6 2018, 08:44 AM

Reggie Dyer was right; eh lads?

Posted by: x2lls Oct 6 2018, 08:54 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 6 2018, 05:05 AM) *
I freely admit I know virtually nothing about whatís going on and whilst I do have a good deal of sympathy for those being dispossessed, the fact of the matter is that whatever the politics involving the various tribes, I didnít just imagine apartheid. It did happen until very recently. And many of those farmers Iím quite certain benefited from that system, so whilst I have some sympathy on an individual level, it doesnít strike me as one of the greatest injustices. The greater surprise is the overall tolerance shown by the blacks to the whites following apartheid and that it didnít happen sooner.

Anyway, Iíve never met a nice South African.



You have truly excelled.

What a shocking statement to make.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 6 2018, 10:49 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 6 2018, 09:54 AM) *
You have truly excelled.

What a shocking statement to make.


Xenophobic. He will no doubt be meeting plenty when the white exodus really kicks in. They have to live somewhere. Lets hope its next door to Newres!!😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 6 2018, 12:16 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 6 2018, 11:49 AM) *
Xenophobic. He will no doubt be meeting plenty when the white exodus really kicks in. They have to live somewhere. Lets hope its next door to Newres!!😂


One is obliged to pose the question that if the white population is booted out of Southern Africa , (vis a vis the Idi Amin regime's treatment of Asians), will this Countries vociferous liberal element welcome them with open arms? Don't put your pension on that one boys and girls.

Posted by: newres Oct 6 2018, 12:50 PM

What a bunch of snowflakes.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 6 2018, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 6 2018, 01:50 PM) *
What a bunch of snowflakes.

You make no sense. Not even consistent in your views. Troll or just very thick. Probably both.👍

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 7 2018, 07:55 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 6 2018, 08:34 PM) *
You make no sense. Not even consistent in your views. Troll or just very thick. Probably both.��

Don't keep biting TDH, you'll only make him/her worse! biggrin.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 7 2018, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 7 2018, 08:55 AM) *
Don't keep biting TDH, you'll only make him/her worse! biggrin.gif

Just a bit of fun Biker. 😂

Posted by: x2lls Oct 7 2018, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 7 2018, 08:55 AM) *
Don't keep biting TDH, you'll only make him/her worse! biggrin.gif



That is not possible.

Posted by: spartacus Oct 8 2018, 07:46 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 6 2018, 05:05 AM) *
Anyway, Iíve never met a nice South African.

Spitting Image reference by any chance?
https://youtu.be/aeDk6ZeGNnU

Posted by: Strafin Oct 8 2018, 07:56 AM

Spartacus certainly has shed a lot of light on some of things that have happened in South Africa so thanks for injecting a bit of fact based knowledge into the forum!


Posted by: The Hatter Oct 10 2018, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 8 2018, 08:56 AM) *
Spartacus certainly has shed a lot of light on some of things that have happened in South Africa so thanks for injecting a bit of fact based knowledge into the forum!


Or was just stating the obvious. What nation state hasn't started by taking the land from who was already there! Strange isn't it that those who hanker after the British Empire are often the very ones wanting to free us from Europe to get our Sovereginty back.

Posted by: newres Oct 11 2018, 07:55 AM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 8 2018, 08:46 AM) *
Spitting Image reference by any chance?
https://youtu.be/aeDk6ZeGNnU

Indeed.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 11 2018, 05:05 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 11 2018, 08:55 AM) *
Indeed.

Nope.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 15 2018, 11:22 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 11 2018, 08:55 AM) *
Indeed.



Nope nope. Just to clarify.



Or was that scarify?

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